Thread: Bad American

That would most certainly require the elimination of political parties from the court selection process - something neither one of the major parties are apt to ever agree to institute.

It seems to me that our system was really "hijacked" by the people running those parties - if you notice, our Constitution never sanctioned the creation of political parties or established the number allowed to participate in holding power. And I believe that their representatives regularly cast aside notions of civil liberties when they conflict with their hold on power.

An interesting story appeared in one of my state's papers yesterday - apparently, one of the two major parties has managed to vote to cancel presidential primaries for both parties in three states, claiming the election process is "too expensive" for those states this next election year. Of course, that party only has one candidate running for re-election. It's a good thing so many Americans think ordinary citizens have too many civil liberties...

"I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop'in English, see the previous line."


Maybe not a bad American, however a hypocrite and probably suck at being a Police Officer if you believe you can just shoot someone for running. Or it's just a wish so you can shoot something else beside a paper target. This all depends on where you are on the JOB. Or maybe you need to be more specific.

I love GOD, my country, women
BUT I do not love GWB as President

Originally Posted by dg806

I think this has been posted before, but damn this is so true!
I love it!!

I'm a Bad American. This pretty much sums it up for me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women.

How much of these things are paid for?

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.

I agree, but this is NOT the way it is.

I don't care about appearing compassionate.

I don't either. The bleeding heart folks tend to be the cheapest people I know. They talk a lot, but they don't DO anything.

I think playing with toy guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might.

Most American parents are too busy to pay attention to their kids.

I think I'm doing better than the homeless.

You compare yourself to peole with a different lifestyle, by putting yourself on a self-rightous pedastol? You make me laugh.

I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others expectations. I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of it.

I'm tired of certain "groups" getting bonus points when they take a test to be a police officer, or in admissions to universities. A friend of mine gets Affirmative Action applied to him because he is 1/4 Basque, and his last name ends in a vowel.

I don't celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to that's fine; I just don't feel like everyone else should have to.

Kwanzaa is a new-age kooky celebration that began in the 1960s. It's just the same as other cultish rituals. There is nothing "cultural" about Kwanzaa.

I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do it in English.

Yes! This gets me very annoyed.

As of matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My uncles and forefathers shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it.

I believe English should be the official language. It is important for commuting and it also makes understand different cultures better because we can communicate.

I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop'in English, see the previous line.

In many cases, I do agree Dg....

I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed.

The voting machines are a big problem in the U.S. right now. Election fraud has already occurred and we all will be hearing about soon.

I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet. I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny.

Non-sequetur.

I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.

You have too much time on your hands. Get out of the donut shop.

Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what they said - now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.

Indeed. Our Consitution is longest surviving one in the history of the world. We should remember this.

I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake. I've never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop blaming me because some prior white people were idiots - and remember, tons of white, Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too - it was wrong for every one of them.

This was taken from Ted Nugent. As for slavery, the blacks were heavily involved in the slave trade as well, and slavery still exists in the Middle East and Africa.

I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.

This I do not agree with.

I want to know exactly which church is it where the "Reverend" Jessie Jackson preaches; and, what exactly is his job function.

Jesse Jackon's job function? Race hustler, poverty pimp, and exploiter of the poor. He lives like a King, mooches off others, takes government planes that are financed by taxpayers' money, and is a pig.

We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones we already have.

I agree! I think Congress should meet LESS OFTEN. The pass too many laws that are so sophisticated and so intrusive that people don't even know what the law is anymore.

I'll admit that the only movie that ever made me cry was Ole Yeller.

Are you a redneck?

Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a bad American.

No, you're not a bad American. You just another bag of wind.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

.....Kwanzaa is a new-age kooky celebration that began in the 1960s. It's just the same as other cultish rituals. There is nothing "cultural" about Kwanzaa.


.....Jesse Jackon's job function? Race hustler, poverty pimp, and exploiter of the poor. He lives like a King, mooches off others, takes government planes that are financed by taxpayers' money, and is a pig.

I find it ironic that SOME individuals will openly and readily celebrate halloween, which is forced down your throat more than KWANZAA ever will be but will call KWANZAA a "kooky cultish ritual"...

I don't agree with alot of Mr Jackson's actions, but he hasn't done any worst than the POPE and The Catholic Church as they continually protect their child raping priest; to this day, I have not seen a word to read or heard any word from the Catholic Church denouncing their rapist priest but I continually hear about it is a person's moral obligation to denounce abortion and gay marriage. Where is there moral obligation at concerning their priest who rape kids? I am not denouncing the Pope or the church but where is the consistency of moral obligation that they preach about.

Originally Posted by DFINEST

I find it ironic that SOME individuals will openly and readily celebrate halloween, which is forced down your throat more than KWANZAA ever will be but will call KWANZAA a "kooky cultish ritual"...

Halloween and Kwanzaa are both kooky cult celebrations. Why are you equation Kwaanza with Halloween?

I don't agree with alot of Mr Jackson's actions, but he hasn't done any worst than the POPE and The Catholic Church as they continually protect their child raping priest;

Indeed.

to this day, I have not seen a word to read or heard any word from the Catholic Church denouncing their rapist priest but I continually hear about it is a person's moral obligation to denounce abortion and gay marriage. Where is there moral obligation at concerning their priest who rape kids? I am not denouncing the Pope or the church but where is the consistency of moral obligation that they preach about.

Catholicism is a frightening cult that diverged from Christianity. Many Protestant Christians do not believe Catholicism is a Christian religion because it has diverged so much.

Note the Great Schism, that has existed for over 1,000 years.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Halloween and Kwanzaa are both kooky cult celebrations. Why are you equation Kwaanza with Halloween?

I'm equating them BASED on the original post by dg806 about KWANZAA being forced down his throat and I know for a fact that halloween, has been forced down more throats for a longer period of time than KWANZAA ever will be.....

Only KWANZAA is portrayed as being "kooky and forced down the throat" of
persons who care not to celebrate it.....

There are different holiday celebrations throughout the year that people
do not care to participate in BUT that does not make you a bad American; Why is KWANZAA the only holiday that is singled out?

Originally Posted by Flex

Oh well, i'll just kill first and ask questions last......

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. However, in most states "you must be in fear for your or an immediate loved ones, life; in order to shoot. And the bad guy going out the window with you shooting him in the back doesn't qualify. I'm not agreeing, just giving you the skinny. IMO, you come in my house uninvited, you will leave un-breathing.

Originally Posted by Eggs

I think "the constitution is a living document" thing is misunderstood. I do think that the laws need to change to adapt to society. But I dont believe that they should be open to interpretation by every judge out there trying to enforce their agenda and get back at the world because their Mommy didnt buy them the pink PC "I'm gay" Gi Joe when they were 5.

Okay, that was kinda a red herring, my bad. Anyways, I dont think its right that its open to interpretation as suits the individual. Sure there are appeals and what not that can be accessed at times, but by and large the system has been hi-jacked by those who do what they think is right, and not what actually is right. When one subjectively determines the value of something, theres bound to be an error.

Funny, how did YOU know there was a "gay" GI Joe. hmmm. watch out Jenny.

Originally Posted by gr81

I would love to hear how our society turns criminals into victims. I have never heard that. It is more like we are quick to turn cops into heros. Did you know that in my state, washington state last year, there was not 1 case prosecuted against a police officer for violating civil rihgts or police misconduct. In fact I will post the link ot the story I read that in yesterday in the seattle times if you want to read it:
Seattle Times: Police Misconduct

Just recently A police officer in WA state who was off duty and not in his jurisdiction walked up to a car in his neighborhood. There was a man with his family in there who was black and the cop ended up killing the man, saying he ws reaching for a gun. It turned out later the man was unarmed! The officer was not prosecuted, got off scott free. I have been involved in several incidents myself where innapropriate Police conduct occurred and of course a judge is not going to believe a young guys word over a cop's. My whole point ot this is that you can't generalize like police officers need more power in this country without looking at the whole picture. I agree that criminals should be prosecuted to teh fullest extent of the law, but I also believe that lots of police officers abuse their power with little or no consequences to their actions and that needs to be dealt with, more power is not teh answer. the system needs to be reworked.

Wow GR81, I was just starting to think that we were similar minds. But come on, cops are human, just like soldiers are human. There are bad ones and there are great ones. It is not correct when it is incumbant upon the overworked and underpaid police officer to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jimmy Crackhead intended to sell the crack he just alledgedly swallowed. Do they need authority like in Italy or in Nazi Germany, fuck no. But they need to have more authority and acceptance than the street walking crakc whores they arrest. But just remember that when they rape your daughter or beat your son (I'm not really directing this at you gr81), you voted for less power for police. You voted to not allow high-speed pursuits. You voted for that right wing sheriff who doesn't provide resources or training for his officers. You voted down that faster police car which could have caught the pedophile that just raped your kid. You voted against the power to search and seizure, while the right wing passed a law saying they could "listen in" on anything they wanted if it were terrorist related. Isn't a stalking pedo a terrorist, shouldnt we be able to monitor what he does?

Originally Posted by Flex

I hate cops.

i'm not saying i don't respect them though, please don't get me wrong. i have much respect for what they do.

but they don't have to be such fuckin dicks about EVERYTHING. why do they feel the need to be dicks at ALL TIMES and talk down to people.

i realize that they often deal with asshole people that make trouble and shit, but why do they talk to everyone like they are better, when they are NORMAL people with a badge and a gun?

Bottom line....i'll use a line from the infamous NWA....

Fuck Tha Police

That is so absurd. They are normal people with a badge and gun who GET FUCKING SHOT AT EVERY NIGHT BY IDIOTS LIKE YOU MORON. You dont think you would be a little edgy. Let me follow you around and just shoot at you whenever I fucking decide and you tell me how you feel. And let me pay you $40K a year with shitty benefits and make you do it at night when you could be with your family. You give humans a bad name.

Flex, they have to come off as dicks in order to establish an authoritive position when dealing with lawbreakers or suspected lawbreakers. If you get to know them in a regular setting you would then be able to see who the real facist ones are and who the good ones are. I used to work at an office where many used to hangout at and I learned that the majority of them were more coolheaded than I. I think only 2 or three I met had bad attitudes that could end up being a problem if left unchecked, you know little comments like how they wanted to bash some guy's head for talking back or how they put the cuffs on extra tight cause they didn't like the guy or how they'd like to have fucked the prostitute they picked up. I'm sure the others guy's kept a running tab of who was a potential loose cannon and made sure they didn't handle too many things alone. The sad thing is that on occassion one of the loose cannons gets an easily persuaded partner and they can get into some trouble.

You wouldn't catch me living again in a country where the Police can shoot you just for running,"been there done that". I'm sorry, but 'running" is not an execution able offense". And even if it was it would be up to the courts to carry out sentence, not the police. when I first came on the job we could shoot fleeing burglars, as "burglary" was and is considered a "forcible felony". That all changed in a supreme court decision sometime around 1984. We can still shoot fleeing felons but the restrictions are so great the unwritten rule is,"don't shoot anyone running from you". We have rules and then we have unwritten rules. If you violate the "unwritten" ones you had better have some politics to survive. Same thing with car chases too, forget em. We used to chase for everything. Ive been in some that went into other states and put the movie "Blue Brothers" to shame.

Now? Forget it! This system will hang me out to dry in a minute if I chase someone and theres a crash.

Its always amazed me how some lifetime criminal,"and Im talking serious felonies here", can lodge a complaint against a PO and an entire machinery springs into action, spending untold $ of the taxpayers money to investigate the allegations. Then, and more often then you think , they will find in favor of the career criminal and the officer will get an unpaid vacation as payment for his actions that brought a career criminal to justice. THEN, quite often, witnesses wont show up or a mushhead court will find a not guilty verdict in the criminal case and spring the prick loose to prey on his community again. THEN the ACLU will finance a civil suite and the officer will have to go thru that separate procedure. And often, if the brutality complaint was already upheld against the officer, he will lose that civil case, or the city will settle, and a chunk of the officers paycheck will now be delivered to Joe Shitheads door every two weeks.

All this ,BTW, happened to a friend of mine, and others. This guy is as easy going and friendly as you can imagine. He got fucking rail-roaded! He had a bunch of great thinkers on his jury who, like Manlicon, thought they were experts on using force because they "hung out" with a bunch of coppers in an office, and they decided this officer used to much force even tho the offender fought him tooth and nail. It didn't help that the copper was a male/white, the offender was a male/black,"of course". And the jury was mostly black. AND it all came up right after the Rottoney King fiasco. The offender was high on drugs at the time. But this testimony couldn't be used in court, nor could his extensive criminal past.

And people wonder why we stop giving a shit and show up late just to take the reports. How many hits like that are you going to take and still go out and give 100% for the citizens? Now that I'm older I get to watch the metamorphose of these young officers as the reality of the street and the system changes them from ideological zealots to burned out empty suits who don't want to do anything.

I wont go that far personally. I still like people and like helping them. But I will not put my own neck in the guillotine for any reason. If a vicious gangbanging criminal gets sprung out to prey on the community again? Who cares? Its wasn't me who let him free and I'm not going to purger myself, a felony in its own right, just to protect a community that goes to bed at night thinking "were" the bad guys.

And before anyone starts thinking Manlicon knows anything about LawEnforcement? I would like to testify, and Ive been a civilian cop for 21years and was an MP for 4, that he doesnt know shit! But, like everything else, hes an expert on this too.......take care.................Rich

Originally Posted by dg806

Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what they said - now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.

That's probably the only point I disagree with. I don't think the framers of the Constitution were looking much further into the future than their own day, and what they wanted to get out of the political situation and climate of the times.

I do think they deliberately made the Constitution vague so that it would not come back to bite them in the ass at a later time.

I do however, agree, that it should be changed only under the gravest of circumstances, and not willy-nilly. Certainly not to define marriage, for example. The Constitution is too high an ideal to be bothered with something that is day to day and that the states can deal with.

Originally Posted by DFINEST

I'm equating them BASED on the original post by dg806 about KWANZAA being forced down his throat and I know for a fact that halloween, has been forced down more throats for a longer period of time than KWANZAA ever will be.....

Only KWANZAA is portrayed as being "kooky and forced down the throat" of
persons who care not to celebrate it.....

There are different holiday celebrations throughout the year that people
do not care to participate in BUT that does not make you a bad American; Why is KWANZAA the only holiday that is singled out?

Kwaanza is a pile of crap. I saw Kwaanza poster in classrooms and a teacher told he "had" to teach it and its principles. It's a pile of crap.

Let's be "oh-so PC."

It's bullsh*t.

Thats the problem with America today. Every special interest group wants to change the constitution so it fits their own vision of what this country should be. The Liberals are infamous for this and if theres one huge block to me supporting liberal parties its that. For the record Im against an amendment banning homosexual marriage becaue I believe the constitution shouldnt be tampered with. Let the issue be judged for constitutionality as it is.

If its judged as constitutional? Then so be it! Then the states have a right to decide it and it should be done so by a vote. "Marriage" is such a personal issue that it should not be tampered with by re-writing the US Constitution. Which should NEVER!!! be tampered with.......take care................Rich

Your such a brainwashed Republican. "WE dont want to make the decision and piss people off, so lets say the states should decide.Then we can blame the democrats for which ever way it doesnt go".

The idea behind the US of A was for the states to have equal say, actually more, in the lives of Americans as does the federal Govt. The consitution should never be messed with in such matters. Actually if I was such a "brainwashed republican" I'd be screaming FOR a constitutional amendment banning such marriages. What Im calling for is the exact opposite.

Maybe you should read your current events before you post here. Or are you that "brainwashed"?....................take care.......Rich

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Kwaanza is a pile of crap. I saw Kwaanza poster in classrooms and a teacher told he "had" to teach it and its principles. It's a pile of crap.

Let's be "oh-so PC."

It's bullsh*t.

BUT you have no objection to HALLOWEEN being taught,
which happens every year with decorations, costumes, and every other conceivable form of comercialization...

KWANZAA isn't required teaching in all school districts,
I know it isn't here where I live BUT
I have to accept halloween...

Again I ask you, WHY is KWANZAA bashed but you accept halloween?
I don't celebrate either.

Because you get candy?

yeah, like M&M's, huh man?

M&M's........cute........