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    Really?

    I like to watch British television shows (Primeval, Doctor Who, Top Gear, Police Interceptors, specials with James May or Richard Hammond, etc.). I was watching an episode Police Interceptors (S04E04) where a cop pulled over a car because, and get this, it had a bumper sticker that read, "Piss Off, I'm having a bad day". That's right, the cop pulled him over because of a freakin' bumper sticker. And it's an £80 ($128) fine ("fixed penalty" for you Brits)!

    For as much as the cops in the US are accused of misuse of justice, they have nothing on their British counterparts. Because, over there, it's not a misuse of justice, it's actually "justice". The above fine is what's called Public Order Offense. It's a catchall law that British police can use for anything they don't like.

    In the US, the police have to trump up chargers if they want to fine or arrest someone who has legally done nothing wrong. However, you can fight such trumped up charges in a court of law. In the UK, you can't truly fight the charge because it's a law based on opinion.

    That's just pathetic.

    On a related note, at least in the UK, the fines and jail time actually fit the crimes. I'll give them that.

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    Don't hate on us thats how we get rid of those mexican and arabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    Don't hate on us thats how we get rid of those mexican and arabs
    In that case, I'm doing a 180.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    about another group that actually does something
    to improve their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    In that case, I'm doing a 180.
    it speed of the process of deportation and gets scum off the streets

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    it speed of the process of deportation and gets scum off the streets
    I've watched a lot of UK police shows, and read up on UK crime. The worst neighborhoods are those with immigrants from third-world nations (Indians and Pakis, mostly). And, like in the US, those immigrants cause a higher per capita crime rate.

    So hell yes, get them out!
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    it speed of the process of deportation and gets scum off the streets
    This is definitely the speech cadence and grammar of DGG
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    And, like in the US, those immigrants cause a higher per capita crime rate.

    So hell yes, get them out!
    20% of the criminals commit 80% of the crimes, the pareto principle holds true for most things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    I've watched a lot of UK police shows, and read up on UK crime. The worst neighborhoods are those with immigrants from third-world nations (Indians and Pakis, mostly). And, like in the US, those immigrants cause a higher per capita crime rate.

    So hell yes, get them out!
    Indians and Paki's cause a higher crime rate? Do you mean they open their mini-marts and end up getting robbed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    I've watched a lot of UK police shows, and read up on UK crime. The worst neighborhoods are those with immigrants from third-world nations (Indians and Pakis, mostly). And, like in the US, those immigrants cause a higher per capita crime rate.

    So hell yes, get them out!
    Pakis are just as bad as the mexicans

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    Quote Originally Posted by withoutrulers View Post
    This is definitely the speech cadence and grammar of DGG
    i don't even know you mate , but i think your high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman View Post
    Benny Hill trumps all.
    what about Faulty Towers
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    Indians and Paki's cause a higher crime rate? Do you mean they open their mini-marts and end up getting robbed....
    No, I'm talking about burglary, robbery, & riots.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    to improve their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman View Post
    Benny Hill trumps all.
    No argument there. I grew up watching Benny Hill. Great stuff!
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    Don't hate on us thats how we get rid of those mexican and arabs
    haha thats what im talking about

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    The way I see it, decency has a standard, and it isn't relative. Just because the Brits are pussies who let their law enforcement run over them doesn't make the shitheads over here any better.

    Authority corrupts, absolute authority corrupts absolutely. The only thing stopping our law enforcement from abusing their power more are the people who take a stand. You don't have to break the law to do it.

    I once told a cop that he was abusing his authority and demanded his badge number, because I was reporting him. What I got was gun stuck in my face and a threat to shut the fuck up and leave the scene. There is a lot of shit I am not proud of in my life, but I am am proud as a mofo that I stood my ground and repeatedly demanded his badge number until his partner defused the situation before I ended up being a wrongful death statistic.

    All of you lame fuckers who kiss cop's asses just so they don't give you a hard time feed their egos and are part of a problem that gets worse the longer you do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    The way I see it, decency has a standard, and it isn't relative. Just because the Brits are pussies who let their law enforcement run over them doesn't make the shitheads over here any better.

    Authority corrupts, absolute authority corrupts absolutely. The only thing stopping our law enforcement from abusing their power more are the people who take a stand. You don't have to break the law to do it.

    I once told a cop that he was abusing his authority and demanded his badge number, because I was reporting him. What I got was gun stuck in my face and a threat to shut the fuck up and leave the scene. There is a lot of shit I am not proud of in my life, but I am am proud as a mofo that I stood my ground and repeatedly demanded his badge number until his partner defused the situation before I ended up being a wrongful death statistic.

    All of you lame fuckers who kiss cop's asses just so they don't give you a hard time feed their egos and are part of a problem that gets worse the longer you do it.
    one day soon you will be marked in chalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    one day soon you will be marked in chalk
    At least half of the time I have a death wish anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    The way I see it, decency has a standard, and it isn't relative. Just because the Brits are pussies who let their law enforcement run over them doesn't make the shitheads over here any better.

    Authority corrupts, absolute authority corrupts absolutely. The only thing stopping our law enforcement from abusing their power more are the people who take a stand. You don't have to break the law to do it.

    I once told a cop that he was abusing his authority and demanded his badge number, because I was reporting him. What I got was gun stuck in my face and a threat to shut the fuck up and leave the scene. There is a lot of shit I am not proud of in my life, but I am am proud as a mofo that I stood my ground and repeatedly demanded his badge number until his partner defused the situation before I ended up being a wrongful death statistic.

    All of you lame fuckers who kiss cop's asses just so they don't give you a hard time feed their egos and are part of a problem that gets worse the longer you do it.
    it is simply another sign of increasing fascism that is growing in the US. most are so wrapped up in their own self-centered lives they either don't realize these things or don't care and the Patriot Act is the epitome of it.
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    it has patriot in the name, how could it be bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    All of you lame fuckers who kiss cop's asses just so they don't give you a hard time feed their egos and are part of a problem that gets worse the longer you do it.
    How about those of us that just don't act like douche bags towards every cop we come across? You know, treat them at least as well as you would treat someone working at McDonald's.
    So many cries of inequality stem from one of group
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    How about those of us that just don't act like douche bags towards every cop we come across? You know, treat them at least as well as you would treat someone working at McDonald's.
    That is a great point you bring up, because it opens the door to more important questions. How long would someone work at Mcdonalds if the first sentence out of their mouth to every customer was rude, smug, abrasive, and condescending? The answer is not very long.

    As humans, we have basic fucking customs when talking to strangers, and in this country the first few words aught to be a greeting followed by a mutually respectful conversation. Take this hypothetical situation of a cop pulling me over for speeding into consideration:

    Cop: "Afternoon Sir"
    Me: "How ya doing officer?"
    Cop: "I'm doing well... I pulled you over because you were going too fast, this is a 35mpg road, and I clocked you doing 47mph"
    Me: "Yes sir, I was in a hurry and wasn't really paying attention to me speed, but I know I was speeding."
    Cop: "Well I am going to give you a citation. You can pay this at the courthouse or online. The number is on the back bla bla bla"

    The cop hands me my ticket and says "have a nice day" or "drive safe" or "Try to keep it in the speed limit from now on" or what the fuck ever, it doesn't matter. The point is that in that entire exchange, he and I treated each other with mutual decency. That is how interactions are suppose to take place.

    Maybe 1 in 5 situations I have been in with cops goes down like that. The rest all started with a condescending rhetorical question followed by [insert smart ass comments here] followed by smug shit eating facial expressions. You can spot these faggots by the first words out of their mouth. The ones who weren't smart enough to make it through the academy get jobs as doormen at bars, strip clubs, and dance clubs. They have to feed their ego somehow, and displaying dominance over people who can't stand their ground without legal repercussions is the perfect career for these douchebags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by withoutrulers View Post
    This is definitely the speech cadence and grammar of DGG
    Hello, he's English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    That is a great point you bring up, because it opens the door to more important questions. How long would someone work at Mcdonalds if the first sentence out of their mouth to every customer was rude, smug, abrasive, and condescending? The answer is not very long.

    As humans, we have basic fucking customs when talking to strangers, and in this country the first few words aught to be a greeting followed by a mutually respectful conversation. Take this hypothetical situation of a cop pulling me over for speeding into consideration:

    Cop: "Afternoon Sir"
    Me: "How ya doing officer?"
    Cop: "I'm doing well... I pulled you over because you were going too fast, this is a 35mpg road, and I clocked you doing 47mph"
    Me: "Yes sir, I was in a hurry and wasn't really paying attention to me speed, but I know I was speeding."
    Cop: "Well I am going to give you a citation. You can pay this at the courthouse or online. The number is on the back bla bla bla"

    The cop hands me my ticket and says "have a nice day" or "drive safe" or "Try to keep it in the speed limit from now on" or what the fuck ever, it doesn't matter. The point is that in that entire exchange, he and I treated each other with mutual decency. That is how interactions are suppose to take place.

    Maybe 1 in 5 situations I have been in with cops goes down like that. The rest all started with a condescending rhetorical question followed by [insert smart ass comments here] followed by smug shit eating facial expressions. You can spot these faggots by the first words out of their mouth. The ones who weren't smart enough to make it through the academy get jobs as doormen at bars, strip clubs, and dance clubs. They have to feed their ego somehow, and displaying dominance over people who can't stand their ground without legal repercussions is the perfect career for these douchebags.
    And I assume that your demeanor when speaking to the police is 100% amicable? Your intense hatred (which you've expressed in other posts) of the police in no way shows itself, especially after you've been pulled over? It was just the police, every time, that brought a bad vibe into the situation?

    With two exceptions, I've had at least a civil time with the police. As I've stated before, I've been let off of more tickets than I've been given--by a goodly amount.

    Back to the analogy. So, if a few employees at a few McDonald's treat you poorly, do you draw the conclusion that all of the tens of thousands of employees that work there are assholes worthy of hate? I ask, because that's what you're doing in relation to the police.

    Oh, and those two bad times I had with police? The first time I was punched on the spine (between the shoulder blades) for mouthing off. The second time I was choked while handcuffed. We're those officers completely wrong, assholes, and abusing their power? Sure, but I'm not about to ignore all the other positive expediences based on those few assholes. It's all about keeping things in perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    And I assume that your demeanor when speaking to the police is 100% amicable? Your intense hatred (which you've expressed in other posts) of the police in no way shows itself, especially after you've been pulled over? It was just the police, every time, that brought a bad vibe into the situation?

    With two exceptions, I've had at least a civil time with the police. As I've stated before, I've been let off of more tickets than I've been given--by a goodly amount.

    Back to the analogy. So, if a few employees at a few McDonald's treat you poorly, do you draw the conclusion that all of the tens of thousands of employees that work there are assholes worthy of hate? I ask, because that's what you're doing in relation to the police.

    Oh, and those two bad times I had with police? The first time I was punched on the spine (between the shoulder blades) for mouthing off. The second time I was choked while handcuffed. We're those officers completely wrong, assholes, and abusing their power? Sure, but I'm not about to ignore all the other positive expediences based on those few assholes. It's all about keeping things in perspective.

    I keep things plenty in perspective. A person is completely neutral to me the first time I meet them. I don't give a shit who they are. They can be of any race, gender, or profession. How the dialogue goes from there starts the process of me being courteous and friendly, or disrespectful with contempt.

    You McDonald's analogy sucks. The thread is about people in authority abusing their authority, or at the very least being tools, and carrying things too far. The customer holds all of the power in the worker/customer relationship, and I have seen first hand how people like to be dickheads to those who serve them. The McDonald's worker is far less likely to be rude to a customer than the other way around. "I SAID I WANTED CATCHUP AND YOU DIDN'T PUT ANY IN BLA BLA BLA" Would you talk to your mother that way if she served you a sandwich and forgot to put a condiment on it? Fuck no, you wouldn't! But people do it constantly to strangers just because they are lowly fast food scum in their eyes.

    I hate customers as much as I hate cops. Basically, I just fucking hate people, because it is built into our biology to exert our dominance over others subconsciously. The more power you give someone, the more likely they are to abuse it, and the more likely that the type of person who likes to exert power over others would seek out that occupation.

    It is built into our DNA, so no I'm not unfairly generalizing. I am analyzing, and I think I am spot on. And by the way, people that don't know you better could read some of your posts and assume you are one step away from being a white supremacist, so I'll take your thoughts on perspective and generalizing with a grain of salt.

    Is there the possibility that I may be subconsciously projecting my contempt for police while interacting with them. Absolutely! I try not to, but I am sure it happens, especially if I detect a tone of arrogance. But, I wasn't born that way, and nobody told me to be that way. I got that way after repeatedly being fucked with by pigs for hanging out at certain places around certain people. I have had drugs planted on by the drug task force in an attempt to force me into narcing on my friends. I have been illegally searched repeatedly. I have had all of my rights thrown out the fucking window over and over and over. So fuck them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    You McDonald's analogy sucks. The thread is about people in authority abusing their authority, or at the very least being tools, and carrying things too far.
    Right, so every person with any level of authority is abusing. Every single last one.

    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    I hate customers as much as I hate cops. Basically, I just fucking hate people
    I can't understand why you'd have a problem dealing with people. Especially those in positions of authority. I'm at a loss as to why you've had so many, many bad runs ins with the police. It's a complete mystery.

    A relevant quote: "The only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships is you."

    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    It is built into our DNA, so no I'm not unfairly generalizing. I am analyzing, and I think I am spot on.
    Ah...no. So abusing authority is built into humanity to such a level that it's rampant. I've had dozens of experiences with police, of which only two were bad and several were quite good. Versus your almost universal bad experiences. So, what's the factor that differentiates our experiences? That would be you and me.

    You say that you hate people, more so when they have authority over you. Me, I'm a bit more people friendly. Though, as I indicated when I said that I was punched from behind by a cop for mouthing off, I'm not going to back down to anyone that treats me poorly. Yet I've had mostly good experiences. That's because the police and I are generally genial people. They're just doing a job, and I was just breaking the law (traffic violations, mostly).

    You claim that you approach everyone evenly, yet you also claim to hate everyone. You seem so mystified that when you act like an asshole that you get treated poorly in return.

    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    And by the way, people that don't know you better could read some of your posts and assume you are one step away from being a white supremacist, so I'll take your thoughts on perspective and generalizing with a grain of salt.
    That must surely invalidate everything I write. After all, it's not like you label an entire group of people and look down on them. No, you're ever so much better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    That must surely invalidate everything I write. After all, it's not like you label an entire group of people and look down on them. No, you're ever so much better than that.
    If I invalidated everything you've ever said, I wouldn't bother arguing with you. I generalize, just as you generalize. I just wanted to remind you that you were being a hypocrite on that part of your post.

    Why did I have so many negative run-ins with cops? It is in my post. I said in other words that I pretty much do whatever I want to do. If I want to smoke weed, eat mushrooms, or do steroids, that is my fucking business. Cops couldn't stand it, they hated it, and it pissed them off that my friends and I did these things but no matter how hard they tried they couldn't catch us.

    I am sure my reputation as a smartass and a trouble maker had preceded me long before the time I had my first encounter with whoever it was pulling me over or raiding my god damn house. Too many people in small towns hear bits and pieces of second hand information, and start yayyayaying like they know something, because their have a boring pathetic existence with nothing better to do than spread gossip and get all up in the business of others.

    "I don't know what those kids are doing up at soandso's house, but it can' t be any good, the cops need to do something about that." My basic philosophy at the time was if you don't know what we are doing, then shut you fucking cock sucker, because it apparently isn't effecting you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    If I invalidated everything you've ever said, I wouldn't bother arguing with you. I generalize, just as you generalize. I just wanted to remind you that you were being a hypocrite on that part of your post.
    Incorrect. It's not hypocrisy.

    If I was a legion of police roll into a city and trash, I'd hate them. There's no doubt of that. My hate for the illegals isn't based on race or nationality. It's based on them invading my country and bringing it down to the level of the country they come from. It's not based on a few bad run-ins.

    Hell, I grew up in poor Mexicans neighborhoods. Being one of the few white--some times the only white--boys, I was a constant target. I fought a lot, but I just considered that the way the world was. I also though that all the third-world habits they had were just the way it was. It wasn't until I moved to white and Thai neighborhoods and watch the Mexicans roll in, did I start to understand what was going on. It wasn't until I saw them trash an entire city (West Valley, UT) that I understood what damage they were doing to my country. Which is where the hate comes from.

    None of which is like your experiences with the cops.

    If the Mexicans would simply go back to their country, I'd let the anger go. I'm not the grudge holding type.

    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Why did I have so many negative run-ins with cops? It is in my post. I said in other words that I pretty much do whatever I want to do. If I want to smoke weed, eat mushrooms, or do steroids, that is my fucking business. Cops couldn't stand it, they hated it, and it pissed them off that my friends and I did these things but no matter how hard they tried they couldn't catch us.
    This is a little unclear, but doesn't bode well either way. You're either saying that you were breaking the law and got busted or you're saying that you had a chip on your should about authority and let it effect your encounter. The former is a "what did you expect" thing and the latter ties into what I wrote in my previous post.

    Once again, I'm not seeing systemic corruption on the part of the cops.

    As for abusing authority, consider the following. In almost every situation, there is authority, or power, involved. In my McDonald's analogy, the worker couldn't arrest or fine you, but they could decide to spit on your burger or leave out something you paid for. Continuing with that theme, a DMV worker could "find" something wrong with your application and deny you. An IRS worker could initiate an audit. A cop could give you a ticket. A judge could give you a harsher sentence and so on. Is that all abuse of authority? Is it limited to just those at the top? Why doesn't every McDonald's worker spit on your food?

    How about my oldest son? In every encounter, there is authority or power. If he gives shit to smaller smaller kid, he has the power. If he gives shit to a kid the same size, they're more or less equal. If the other kid is larger, that kid has the power and may beat the crap out of him. A teacher can give a failing grade. A principal can suspend him.

    They all, more or less, have authority or power. A cop just happens to have more than a the person serving you food. If you give people an attitude, you should--rightfully--expect them to do what they can to return in some measure. Hence the need for common decency. They may not, but don't be surprised if they do.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that people don't abuse power. I'm saying that if you are cross with people, you should expect to get something back. As I'm so fond of saying, Karma, there's nothing mystical about it. It's not a matter of abusing authority, it's a matter of being treated like someone has treated you.

    I do think there'd be a lot more corruption if it was allowed, which is why there is often oversight. Cops back in the 50s and before were more corrupt because there was less oversight. They have more oversight now, so there is far less corruption and abuse. The less oversight, the more corruption. Which is why politicians and corporate executives, who have the least amount of oversight, tend to be the most corrupt.

    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Too many people in small towns hear bits and pieces of second hand information, and start yayyayaying like they know something, because their have a boring pathetic existence with nothing better to do than spread gossip and get all up in the business of others.
    I can't comment on this as I've never lived in a small town, so I'll have to take you word for it.
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    of people doing little or nothing and then bitching
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    to improve their lives.

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