Thread: Cutting back aid to the Pakis

the federal government serves the interests of the banks and multinational corps. representative government at the state level can sometimes actual solve a problem if it's small.

to date I can not think of one problem that the US gov has actually solved vs shifting it somewhere else to fester and grow. you guys expect way more out of gov than I.

Originally Posted by oufinny

I am one of the assholes, watch you freaking mouth. I don't care if you are a mod, I listen to a lot of the "opinion" you type and bight my fucking tongue, trust me that will stop in a nano-second. Remember one thing, all those assholes like me who make sure you get gas at the pump and have natural gas at your house, propane in your grill and heating oil keeping your ass warm in the north east. So think before you speak, status quo my ass. We are going backwards, open your eyes guy. There is this big shinning light of reality shinning in your face, yet you shield it for your idealogical BS argument that will result in no positives for this country or the world for that matter. End rant/

Protecting the planet from people destroying it should result in a net-positive for the world. I have no ideology, I just believe in protecting our planet first. Because, in the end, if you destroy the planet, I won't have much need for oil to drive around in my car with, or to heat my house. But, keep in mind, when I am referring to those "Big assholes", I am referring to big oil and any company that puts profits above our safety. I don't know who you are, but I know you don't own Exxon/Mobil, so I am not referring specifically to you. I'm all for oil exploration and extraction as long as the people doing it don't dump 5 billion barrels of it in to my ocean, which seems to be too much to ask for lately. Then, with all of this scrutiny on big oil, they dump it in the Yosemite river. I know it is a multi-faceted accident, but maybe pay smarter people to do the job, or not give it to the lowest bidder.

oufinney,

You are not one of those assholes - unless you're a CEO or on the Board of Directors.

Not sure what you mean.....

Originally Posted by LAM

It has nothing to do with the POTUS it has to do with the OPEC dollar. that was 50% of the reason why the US went into Iraq, Saddam was going to change currency's just like Iran did.

Saddam actually did change Iraq's oil currency from the US Dollar. He shifted to the Euro a couple of years before the Americans invaded.

Interestingly The Americans changed Iraq oil currency back to the US Dollar 3 weeks after invading Iraq in March of 2003.


Oil bourse (currency) in USD is why the Americans were able to run up massive deficits, year after year. And most importantly, these deficits funding the empires use of the military, and military industrial-complex.

The USA made a deal with the Saudis to use only USD to buy and sell oil in 1972.

Both the USA and KSA are in bed together like super glue.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Protecting the planet from people destroying it should result in a net-positive for the world. I have no ideology, I just believe in protecting our planet first. Because, in the end, if you destroy the planet, I won't have much need for oil to drive around in my car with, or to heat my house. But, keep in mind, when I am referring to those "Big assholes", I am referring to big oil and any company that puts profits above our safety. I don't know who you are, but I know you don't own Exxon/Mobil, so I am not referring specifically to you. I'm all for oil exploration and extraction as long as the people doing it don't dump 5 billion barrels of it in to my ocean, which seems to be too much to ask for lately. Then, with all of this scrutiny on big oil, they dump it in the Yosemite river. I know it is a multi-faceted accident, but maybe pay smarter people to do the job, or not give it to the lowest bidder.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

oufinney,

You are not one of those assholes - unless you're a CEO or on the Board of Directors.

Not sure what you mean.....

I was a little hot last night. I still feel that the industry is painted in an unfair light, you don't hear about the ridiculous, I STRESS ridiculous, corruption that is the auto industry in America. Spent some time working with machine shops in the Detroit/Windsor area, what I heard from those owners makes the oil industry look like a fairy tale. We are not the bad guys, there are bad apples for sure (BP and to some extent Exxon being the biggest) but it is a huge employer in America and will grow drastically if given the chance. I am all for SMARTER, not more, regulation. Just forcing people to produce realistic plans for drilling and to some extent pipelay (what I do) is a prudent step forward; now the permits just need to be approved much faster.

Read this, it will give you an idea how much the industry can benefit the country in producing jobs quickly with no "investment" from the government: RIGZONE - GOM Employment Could Increase if Admin. Allows -Study

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Protecting the planet from people destroying it should result in a net-positive for the world. I have no ideology, I just believe in protecting our planet first. Because, in the end, if you destroy the planet, I won't have much need for oil to drive around in my car with, or to heat my house. But, keep in mind, when I am referring to those "Big assholes", I am referring to big oil and any company that puts profits above our safety. I don't know who you are, but I know you don't own Exxon/Mobil, so I am not referring specifically to you. I'm all for oil exploration and extraction as long as the people doing it don't dump 5 billion barrels of it in to my ocean, which seems to be too much to ask for lately. Then, with all of this scrutiny on big oil, they dump it in the Yosemite river. I know it is a multi-faceted accident, but maybe pay smarter people to do the job, or not give it to the lowest bidder.

LOL! I love this argument that humans are going to destroy the planet. We can't drill for our own domestic oil supply or explore for natural gas because we're going to destroy the planet if we do. The earth has existed for 4.5 billion years, survived meteor collisions, mega volcanoes, tsunamis, solar flares, and massive earthquakes, but humans are going to come along with our suvs and coal burning plants and destroy the earth in a couple hundred years. It's really comical when you put it into perspective.

We may rub ourselves out thru a nuclear war one day, but the earth isn't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

LOL! I love this argument that humans are going to destroy the planet. We can't drill for our own domestic oil supply or explore for natural gas because we're going to destroy the planet if we do. The earth has existed for 4.5 billion years, survived meteor collisions, mega volcanoes, tsunamis, solar flares, and massive earthquakes, but humans are going to come along with our suvs and coal burning plants and destroy the earth in a couple hundred years. It's really comical when you put it into perspective.

We may rub ourselves out thru a nuclear war one day, but the earth isn't going anywhere.

I'm actually 100% for Natural Gas. And to be honest, I don't think we are going to destroy the planet. On the contrary, I think the planet will survive just fine, but it will be uninhabitable for us.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Saddam actually did change Iraq's oil currency from the US Dollar. He shifted to the Euro a couple of years before the Americans invaded.

Interestingly The Americans changed Iraq oil currency back to the US Dollar 3 weeks after invading Iraq in March of 2003.


Oil bourse (currency) in USD is why the Americans were able to run up massive deficits, year after year. And most importantly, these deficits funding the empires use of the military, and military industrial-complex.

The USA made a deal with the Saudis to use only USD to buy and sell oil in 1972.

Both the USA and KSA are in bed together like super glue.

I had forgotten that he did change the currency and the reserves then the US switched it back, what a coincidence, hugh..

many just don't understand the economic implications of US dependency on the OPEC dollar. the days of hyperinflation are going to come, no reason to rush into it, very few are prepared for double digit inflation.

all the easy oil is gone all that's left is in deep water or in shale, not much profit to be made there. the financial well being of the markets is far more important than that of main street. they will milk the use of the petro-dollar for as long as possible to take advantage of the free capital it brings into the US. energy independence is of much less importance than stock prices and corp profits.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

LOL! I love this argument that humans are going to destroy the planet.

we are already in the process...

global industry has rendered 70% of the usable drinking water on the planet unfit for human consumption and oceans are now toxic waste dumps. yea we are doing a bang up job on mother earth. RF interference is disrupting bees so we know that is going to also have a "positive" effect on the planet and crop production. eventually everyone is going to have to buy food direct from Monsanto.

Originally Posted by maniclion

In Developed responsible nations most of the time it's an automated process in a clean room much like you see Intel commercials with people in white "bunny suits" with face masks and surgical caps, et al. Same cell just different methods once the ingot is sliced

Yeah but the industry is still dealing with harsh chemicals and extreme energy consumption. There's also the CO2 that is created as a byproduct of turning the quartz into pure silicon (SiO2 + C > Si + CO2). Maybe they're getting better but the solar industry is currently not a green industry.

Silicon Production - Wacker Chemie AG

The trouble with silicon : pv-magazine