Thread: Muscle Confusing bullshit!!

So you're saying changing up your routine isnt necessary? People should just do the same things every time.....

apex1 you only need to add more weights or reps is the only thing you need to do with your route. As long as you don't do the same weights or reps you should be gaining muscle if your eating enough.

Uhhh...

Originally Posted by apex1

So you're saying changing up your routine isnt necessary?

in terms of strength training it really isn't necessary. one need only vary the level of intensity and rep ranges to keep progress in the strength department moving forward.

changing the routine periodically is more for the mind to keep it from getting bored, how son that occurs depends on the individual.

in terms of stimulating hypertrophy you would want to vary the routine periodically along with the level of intensity and rep range and time under tension to sufficiently tax all muscle fiber types. when you change the angle of an exercise say going from flat bench to incline, the same muscles are being used the primary difference is the pattern of muscle fiber recruitment is changed across the primary mover.

If I used the same work out when I was 16 now, I would still be small.

Originally Posted by LAM

in terms of strength training it really isn't necessary. one need only vary the level of intensity and rep ranges to keep progress in the strength department moving forward.changing the routine periodically is more for the mind to keep it from getting bored, how son that occurs depends on the individual.

in terms of stimulating hypertrophy you would want to vary the routine periodically along with the level of intensity and rep range and time under tension to sufficiently tax all muscle fiber types. when you change the angle of an exercise say going from flat bench to incline, the same muscles are being used the primary difference is the pattern of muscle fiber recruitment is changed across the primary mover.

That IS muscle confusion. To a lesser extent admittedly but, it's still a variation from one routine to the next.

Once your body adapts to a certain stimulus, you change it and force it to adapt to a different one. Thus you make constant progress. I'll agree that certain people take the concept to the extreme and actually inhibit progress but, the basic principle is still valid.

Muscle confusion is bullshit, you aren't confusing your muscles because your brain causes the contraction, not your muscles. Every 3 or so weeks your body has completely adapted to the program you are on. Because that adaptation was specific to what you were doing (The SAID Principle), switching up the routine merely shifts the emphasis to different tissues. Even though you may be doing an exercise that hits your hammies, a different hammie exercise will utilize different fibers. Muscles get confused in the same way a coffee table gets confused...It doesn't.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

That IS muscle confusion. To a lesser extent admittedly but, it's still a variation from one routine to the next.

it's the foundation of periodization. you can't confuse a muscle, it has no concept of such things. muscles only react to electrical stimulus via the CNS, the speed at which this synchronization occurs is called rate coding. muscle fiber recruitment is increased when the muscles are loaded under constant tension above the previous threshold, this is the basics of how neuromuscular efficiency works, it is the improvement of the neuromuscular junction.

Originally Posted by LAM

it's the foundation of periodization. you can't confuse a muscle, it has no concept of such things. muscles only react to electrical stimulus via the CNS, the speed at which this synchronization occurs is called rate coding. muscle fiber recruitment is increased when the muscles are loaded under constant tension above the previous threshold, this is the basics of how neuromuscular efficiency works, it is the improvement of the neuromuscular junction.

I am going to have to say this makes very good sense even though I am not a physiology expert. I always thought the P90 stuff was a lot of crap...

You're getting too wrapped up in the word "confusion". You're correct, muscle tissue can't get confused. So what? That's not the point. The point is that you have to CHAGE something occasionally. Once the body adapts to a certain stimulus, you have to change the stimulis in order to continue forcing your body to adapt.

Jeeze, such literalists.

Originally Posted by LAM

it's the foundation of periodization. you can't confuse a muscle, it has no concept of such things. muscles only react to electrical stimulus via the CNS, the speed at which this synchronization occurs is called rate coding. muscle fiber recruitment is increased when the muscles are loaded under constant tension above the previous threshold, this is the basics of how neuromuscular efficiency works, it is the improvement of the neuromuscular junction.

For the most part your are right here. But it has a lot more to do with the PNS than you are giving credit.

And FYI, rate coding is frequency of action potentials, not the synchronicity of them. Synchronicity is refereed to as temporal (same neuron repeated) or spatial summation (different neurons at same time). All of those factors result in changes in intensity of stimulus and thus if and the speed at which we pass thresholds of motor units. *

*Realize everything mentioned is this paragraph is actually PNS and not CNS.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

You're getting too wrapped up in the word "confusion". You're correct, muscle tissue can't get confused. So what? That's not the point. The point is that you have to CHAGE something occasionally. Once the body adapts to a certain stimulus, you have to change the stimulis in order to continue forcing your body to adapt.

Jeeze, such literalists.

No, muscle confusion is bullshit. If you continued to change the exercises, but never increased the intensity you would not force adaptation, thus muscle confusion has zero to do with adaption. Overload (progressive) is the the cause of adaptation.

Originally Posted by pebble

No, muscle confusion is bullshit. If you continued to change the exercises, but never increased the intensity you would not force adaptation, thus muscle confusion has zero to do with adaption. Overload (progressive) is the the cause of adaptation.

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Why can't anybody see that I'm agreeing with them??? Look at your own words, "INCREASE intensity", "OVERLOAD", "PROGRESSIVE"; those are all forms of CHANGE. That's what I said, you have to CHANGE something.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

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Why can't anybody see that I'm agreeing with them??? Look at your own words, "INCREASE intensity", "OVERLOAD", "PROGRESSIVE"; those are all forms of CHANGE. That's what I said, you have to CHANGE something.

Because change does not equal any of those words. If I changed the intensity to be less it would not equate to overload or progressive, but it would be change.

You can claim this as a mater of semantics, but its not. Just because a --> b does not mean b --> a in the world of science.

Originally Posted by pebble

Because change does not equal any of those words. If I changed the intensity to be less it would not equate to overload or progressive, but it would be change.

You can claim this as a mater of semantics, but its not. Just because a --> b does not mean b --> a in the world of science.

The original subject was INCREASING strength and/or muscle mass. That being the case, why on Earth would you interject DECREASING anything into the equation? Did I really need to tell you the change I was talking about was ADDING resistance and/or intensity???

Originally Posted by pebble

*Realize everything mentioned is this paragraph is actually PNS and not CNS.

how many people do you think know the SNS and PNS form the CNS?

Muscle Confusing by Tony Honton program says that you need to change your workout. Nothing saying about reps or intensely. Below is the video of it. Also like the photoshop at the end where you can clearly see that he did not get that in 90 days.

Originally Posted by feinburgrl

Muscle Confusing by Tony Honton program says that you need to change your workout. Nothing saying about reps or intensely.

that right there tells you that it's bs...repetition is how you increase skill by building stronger neurological pathways.

P90X is a good sell to those that don't know the science behind exercise.

Uncle Joe says...

Weider Confusion Principle FTW!

Originally Posted by LAM

how many people do you think know the SNS and PNS form the CNS?

Well, in general millions, but on this board ... not many the way you just depicted it; seeing as the CNS encompass them, but i was not referring to the parasympathetic nervous system. I was referring to the Peripheral Nervous System. This part of the nervous system, all nerves that extend off the spinal cord is much more plastic than the CNS (brain and spinal cord). That's why fingers or hands can be re-attached and work again, where as if you sever your spinal cord at C7 you are never walking again.

Ignoring the fact that you didn't understand what I was referring to I will still answer your question. A lot more people would know if people started using the correct terms instead of being lazy and going with the flow (and using the the wrong terms).

Originally Posted by pebble

No, muscle confusion is bullshit. If you continued to change the exercises, but never increased the intensity you would not force adaptation, thus muscle confusion has zero to do with adaption. Overload (progressive) is the the cause of adaptation.

This message is Mike Mentzer approved.

theres not really anything wrong with p90x. its an alright program. its catches too much slack by people that think they know everything.

Two things..I lost 76 pounds with p90x and my wife lot 155 pounds..so yea, it works

and the other thing..I always notice people on these kinds of board ripping p90x, while they sit at home NOT making millions by selling them. It works, I know a ton of people who have gotten great results with it.

news flash..you dont NEED a gym to get in shape. Weight is weight, regardless if its in side your home or in a gym.

Originally Posted by tfarewel

Two things..I lost 76 pounds with p90x and my wife lot 155 pounds..so yea, it works

and the other thing..I always notice people on these kinds of board ripping p90x, while they sit at home NOT making millions by selling them. It works, I know a ton of people who have gotten great results with it.

news flash..you dont NEED a gym to get in shape. Weight is weight, regardless if its in side your home or in a gym.

Originally Posted by tfarewel

I always notice people on these kinds of board ripping p90x, while they sit at home NOT making millions by selling them.

some of us have something called a conscious and it's more important than numbers in a bank account...

making millions is easy...making millions with out lying and deceiving your neighbors and countrymen is not.

Originally Posted by tfarewel

Two things..I lost 76 pounds with p90x and my wife lot 155 pounds..so yea, it works

and the other thing..I always notice people on these kinds of board ripping p90x, while they sit at home NOT making millions by selling them. It works, I know a ton of people who have gotten great results with it.

news flash..you dont NEED a gym to get in shape. Weight is weight, regardless if its in side your home or in a gym.

Going from zero exercise to what is considered a relatively high intensity blend of cardio and resistance training will whip anyone into shape; people make THOUSANDS doing boot camps (or that yuppie thing called crossfit). Once you are in a reasonable amount of shape, something like )90X will not help you surpass natural plateaus or go past genetic limitations like heavy resistance training will. You are right it does work, but you have to put it into context and rarely is it used by seasoned lifters or athletes in general.

Originally Posted by oufinny

Going from zero exercise to what is considered a relatively high intensity blend of cardio and resistance training will whip anyone into shape; people make THOUSANDS doing boot camps (or that yuppie thing called crossfit). Once you are in a reasonable amount of shape, something like )90X will not help you surpass natural plateaus or go past genetic limitations like heavy resistance training will. You are right it does work, but you have to put it into context and rarely is it used by seasoned lifters or athletes in general.

well a lot of pro athletes do use it, but thats beside the point...most people have no desire to look like Scott Steiner or be some huge power lifter. The people doing p90x or something simalar to it whether it be in the gym or at home are the people who are going to have a much higher quality of life than people benching 10000 pounds or squating a ton. I dont really give a crap about that, I care about playing with my grand kinds in 40 years.