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    Stocks: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Stocks: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    By Annalyn Censky
    August 04, 2011

    Stocks plunged Thursday in their single worst day since the 2008 financial crisis. The Dow tumbled 512 points -- its ninth deepest point drop ever -- as fear about the global economy spooked investors.

    "The conventional wisdom on Wall Street was that the economy was growing -- that the worst was behind us," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. "Now what people are realizing is the stimulus didn't work, and we may be headed back to recession."

    U.S. markets were already sharply lower on widespread worries, including the weak job market. But the selling gained momentum as Japanese and European policymakers stepped in with dramatic measures to shore up their financial markets. There's "total fear" in the market, said Bob Doll, chief equity strategist at the world's largest money manager, BlackRock.

    All three major indexes tumbled more than 4% Thursday and erased all their gains for the year. The indexes have also pushed into "correction" territory -- defined as a 10% drop from recent highs. The Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500 have all fallen 10% in just the last 10 days.

    "In the last two weeks, we've been through the ringer," said Rich Ilczyszyn, market strategist with futures broker Lind-Waldock. "When we start looking at the recovery, there's nothing to hang our hats on anymore."

    The market's fear gauge -- the VIX -- surged 35.8% to a reading of 31.8. A level above 30 signals a high degree of fear. At the closing bell, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 512 points, or 4.3%, with Alcoa, Caterpillar and Bank of America among the biggest drags on the blue chip index. Thursday's sell-off marked the steepest point loss since October 2008.

    The S&P 500 was down a staggering 60 points, or 4.8%. The Nasdaq lost 136 points, or 5.1%. Some of the better performing tech stocks, Apple, Google and Netflix were all down between 2% and 3%.

    Fears about a global slowdown are at the forefront of investors' minds amid recent weak economic data. Early Thursday, the latest reading on jobless claims showed a large number of Americans remain unemployed.

    Adding further to investors' jitters, Wall Street is waiting for Friday's jobs report, which BlackRock's Doll said was adding to the selling pressure. The report is now a bit of wild card after it has come in far below forecasts for the last two months.

    Economists surveyed by CNNMoney are expecting the report to show that the U.S. economy created 75,000 jobs in July, marking a slight improvement over the paltry 18,000 jobs added in June.

    The unemployment rate is expected to hold steady at 9.2%. Economy: Economic woes weren't contained to the United States. In moves that they hoped would tame financial markets, Japan's government stepped in to weaken the yen, and the European Central Bank decided to re-enter the European bond market for the first time since March. Those decisions come just a day after Switzerland intervened to curb the Swiss franc's rise.

    "It's true that we are in a period of a high level of uncertainty, not only in the euro area but at the global level," ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet said in a press conference Thursday.

    The ECB wasted no time and immediately started buying European bonds while Trichet's press conference was still going on. But bond traders were quickly disappointed, after they discovered the central bank only bought Portuguese and Irish debt -- not the Spanish and Italian bonds at the center of the crisis.

    The ECB also left interest rates unchanged at 1.5% and initiated a 6-month refinancing operation to add liquidity to European markets.

    European stocks plunged. Britain's FTSE 100 tumbled 3.4%, Germany's DAX lost 3.9% and France's CAC 40 fell 3.4%. Asian markets ended the session mixed. The Shanghai Composite and Japan's Nikkei edged up 0.2%, while the Hang Seng in Hong Kong fell 0.5%.

    Meanwhile, it should come as no surprise that in the U.S., investors flocked to assets perceived as low-risk, including Treasuries and gold. Treasury prices rose, pushing the yield on the 10-year note down to 2.43% from 2.6% late Wednesday, and gold futures for December delivery fell $7.30 to $1,659 an ounce. Earlier in the session, gold hit a record high of $1,684.70 an ounce.

    In other commodities, oil prices slumped 5.3% to $86.63 a barrel. Companies: Auto giant General Motors' second-quarter earnings nearly doubled to $2.5 billion, as revenue rose 19% and topped expectations. Shares of GM slid 4.3%. After the closing bell, insurance giant AIG reported second-quarter operating income of $1.28 billion, falling short of analysts' expectations.

    Shares of LinkedIn surged 7.8% in afterhours trading, when the newly-public company reported its second-quarter profit doubled from a year ago and its sales beat forecasts. In addition to quarterly financial reports, retailers were also announcing July sales results. Costco Wholesale Corp. said its same-store sales climbed 10% last month, while Limited said sales rose 6%.

    From CNNMoney.com

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    And now for a slightly more cheery perspective...


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    I just looked at my account and wanted to cry. It's sad how much I'm down from February

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    Look on the bright side. Your 401k may be worth less money, but at the same time you are buying more shares. So when it bounces back it will really bounce back up.

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    Until the debt start getting paid down, spending gets under control, and employment numbers rise, I don't see the market improving all that much. Investors need stability, and there's too much uncertainty still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenaline View Post
    Until the debt start getting paid down, spending gets under control, and employment numbers rise, I don't see the market improving all that much. Investors need stability, and there's too much uncertainty still.
    the various stock indexes have nothing at all to do with gov account deficits or surpluses, they never have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    the various stock indexes have nothing at all to do with gov account deficits or surpluses, they never have.
    It's obvious there is an indirect relationship, when people start worrying about tax hikes or tax cuts that factors into their business plans...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    It's obvious there is an indirect relationship, when people start worrying about tax hikes or tax cuts that factors into their business plans...
    indirect but only when there is bad news. the DOW high in 1980 was 1,000 and that is the year that the US GDP started to noticeably decline and has ever since. today in 2011 the high is still over 11,000. so regardless of how well the stock market does it does not have any positive effect on GDP. neither is directly nor inversely proportional to the other.
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    I think it still bush's fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralRichard View Post
    I think it still bush's fault
    the magnitude of the current account deficits are a direct result of the Bush Tax Cuts from 2003:

    'Horrendous': Nobel economist George Akerlof criticizes Bush administration's economic stimulus package
    'Horrendous': Nobel economist George Akerlof criticizes Bush economic stimulus package


    "Starving the government": Economist Paul Krugman says that's what the Bush administration's tax cuts and foreign policy have in common
    Paul Krugman on what the Bush tax cuts and foreign policy have in common
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    Lam my argument here is the credibility of the Nobel committee....i mean they did give Barry Hussein the Nobel prize for what he talked about wanting to do and not actually doing......

    obama said in his speech last week paraphrased - we don't need to raise the debt ceiling because of our inability to pay our bills, but to avoid a downgrade in our credit rating.....

    basically because we can't pay our bills from overspending we need to borrow more to pay our bills or we'll lose the ability to borrow more so we can pay our bills?.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    Lam my argument here is the credibility of the Nobel committee....i mean they did give Barry Hussein the Nobel prize for what he talked about wanting to do and not actually doing......

    obama said in his speech last week paraphrased - we don't need to raise the debt ceiling because of our inability to pay our bills, but to avoid a downgrade in our credit rating.....

    basically because we can't pay our bills from overspending we need to borrow more to pay our bills or we'll lose the ability to borrow more so we can pay our bills?.....
    the nobel committees and their selections and the works and professional accomplishments of of nobel laureates are completely separate topics.

    it's like comparing the NFL hall of fame selection committee with the historical accomplishments of the athletes selected. one has nothing at all to do with the other.

    they were also backed by hundreds of other economists who signed the petition:
    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...economists.pdf
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post

    they were also backed by hundreds of other economists who signed the petition:
    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...economists.pdf
    Silly LAM, what would economists know about the economy?

    This is what happens when you let uneducated ideologues run the debate. After this debt downgrade I hope the tea party starts to go away, or independents start flexing their muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    Lam my argument here is the credibility of the Nobel committee....i mean they did give Barry Hussein the Nobel prize for what he talked about wanting to do and not actually doing......

    obama said in his speech last week paraphrased - we don't need to raise the debt ceiling because of our inability to pay our bills, but to avoid a downgrade in our credit rating.....

    basically because we can't pay our bills from overspending we need to borrow more to pay our bills or we'll lose the ability to borrow more so we can pay our bills?.....
    My head hurts.

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