Thread: Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by federal appeals court

Originally Posted by Zaphod

I recognize the double standard, you ignore it as such. You have a problem with people who feel entitled to free healthcare and yet you have no problem with those who feel entitled to a huge salary because of their education.

Where the fuck did I say that?

I think people get paid based on what their worth. People with advanced degrees trend much higher over their lifetime in income. However, if you have a Ph.D. in Art History, you probably aren't going to make shit over your lifetime.

The market dictates what someone's skill level is worth. Education is a good method at improving one's job skills and level of income, but it doesn't entitle you to shit.

Clear now jackass?

Originally Posted by M4A3

I think people get paid based on what their worth. People with advanced degrees trend much higher over their lifetime in income. However, if you have a Ph.D. in Art History, you probably aren't going to make shit over your lifetime.

The market dictates what someone's skill level is worth. Education is a good method at improving one's job skills and level of income, but it doesn't entitle you to shit.

but in reality neither one of those statements hold true anymore. historically the college graduate will always earn more over the course of the lifetime than the non-college graduate. but in many job sectors having a MA or PhD does not increase earnings. and now having a college degree isn't even the lock it used to be due to high unemployment and the loss of many types of jobs, some due to outsourcing and others lost to technological advances. currently 25% of college grads are underemployed and the college loan default rate is ever increasing.

the "market" couldn't be anymore manipulated.

non-union workers and especially those in right to work states have no bargaining power over wage increases and in times of high unemployment simply finding a better paying job is no longer a reality, it is the past never to return. many workers today are not even getting cost of living increases so they constantly earn less money, year after year at the same job. since Nixon the CPI has been constantly manipulated under various presidents to understate inflation and this is why many and especially since the 80's (union busting) have experienced wage stagnation. you also have to factor in the difference in the pricing of goods and services from the metro to non-metro area.

the under-reporting of inflation by the CPI is one of the main reasons why there has been such an increase in consumer debt since the 80's. when combined with the new powers of the FRB granted under the Monetary Control Act of 1980 it's pretty much been a wrap for the middle class.

the "fix" has been in for a long time

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Speaking of stupid, 27 state attornies general filed a suit against it. The states haven't ruled against it, more federal courts have ruled in its favor. You're a fucking idiot. Do the world a favor and go hang yourself. You're dragging down the average IQ.

Again your a complete Idiot and if you think dumbass that there are more federal courts in the 27 states then there are in the 23 states your a bigger loser then I thought you already were.But in the end Barrys health care will be tossed out like his ass will be in the next election.

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

Again your a complete Idiot and if you think dumbass that there are more federal courts in the 27 states then there are in the 23 states your a bigger loser then I thought you already were.But in the end Barrys health care will be tossed out like his ass will be in the next election.

You're an inbred retard. When you get a clue come on back. Until then go eat a big bag of black dicks.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Show me where i gave a definition of an entitlement?

You gave it when you said people with a college education deserve more income than anybody else. You were one of those kids that didn't have a job until mom & dad told you to get one in college, weren't you?

Originally Posted by M4A3

Where the fuck did I say that?

I think people get paid based on what their worth. People with advanced degrees trend much higher over their lifetime in income. However, if you have a Ph.D. in Art History, you probably aren't going to make shit over your lifetime.

The market dictates what someone's skill level is worth. Education is a good method at improving one's job skills and level of income, but it doesn't entitle you to shit.

Clear now jackass?

Just like a liberal. A total failure to recognize a double standard.

I didn't say you said anything about it, just that you're ignoring it.

I'm a "disabled vet" so I qualify for FREE VA medical, yet still wish I had a different provider.

That article is askew however, where it says that once he pushed Obama care that jobs started to drop and debt increased... Come on, debt was already sky high from Bush, and jobs were already being lost. It just continued.

I agree that a national healthcare is B.S. Just disagree with the manipulations placed upon timeframes in the article.

Originally Posted by anxious1

I'm a "disabled vet" so I qualify for FREE VA medical, yet still wish I had a different provider.

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So what prevents you from seeking alternative care?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

So what prevents you from seeking alternative care?

I'm guessing being on disability the main obstacle is financial.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

So what prevents you from seeking alternative care?

It is quite simple. I made a decision to get married and save money up to but a business with my wife. So in the end it is my decision not to seek elsewhere for now.
Once we have more income from our business, then I will be going elsewhere for medical coverage. Until then I am getting VA coverage for an injury sustained on the job. Other than that I don't need medical.

A pin-a-day keeps the docs away.

Originally Posted by MDR

I'm guessing being on disability the main obstacle is financial.

I am not on disability, I am just disabled to a certain extent. I am far too anxious all the time not to work. Haha

"disabled-vet" is kind of a one-size-fits-all term used by the VA.

Finacials are the reason, yes. It is my decision to put those funds towards a future instead of into a secondary healthcare plan that keeps me from going elsewhere for now.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

You gave it when you said people with a college education deserve more income than anybody else. You were one of those kids that didn't have a job until mom & dad told you to get one in college, weren't you?

I think you should show where I wrote that dumb ass. I never said people with a college education deserve more income than anybody else. I said Doctors who have completed 15 years of training deserve every penny they get.

I had a job since I was 13. I put myself through college and I was the first in my family to go to a 4 year university. fuck off until you get a clue. cunt.

Originally Posted by anxious1

I am not on disability, I am just disabled to a certain extent. I am far too anxious all the time not to work. Haha

"disabled-vet" is kind of a one-size-fits-all term used by the VA.

Finacials are the reason, yes. It is my decision to put those funds towards a future instead of into a secondary healthcare plan that keeps me from going elsewhere for now.

Makes sense. Good for you for focusing on your future. Sorry to hear that services available at the VA aren't better. Seems to me that this is a problem that needs to be fixed immediately. It is a shame that our country does not do a better job of taking care of the men and women who serve in the military.

Originally Posted by MDR

Makes sense. Good for you for focusing on your future. Sorry to hear that services available at the VA aren't better. Seems to me that this is a problem that needs to be fixed immediately. It is a shame that our country does not do a better job of taking care of the men and women who serve in the military.

Thank you.
It isn't quite the services that are lacking, (yes some lag, but no more than kaiser). The reason the VA is such a mess, is because of all the policies that surround everything they do, or can't do. As far as getting imaging, they are incredibly accommodating, yet to see a specialist after that scan takes some jumping around at times.

I can sit here and bit** or I can become apart of the solution... So I have geared myself towards resolving this issue in time, and hopefully some others that plague our county. Basically, VOTE FOR ME! haha


(I am only speaking from my experiences with the VA, I understand there are exceptions to everything).

Originally Posted by Zaphod

I didn't say you said anything about it, just that you're ignoring it.

I'm going to start ignoring everything you post, because what you post is always retarded.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I think you should show where I wrote that dumb ass. I never said people with a college education deserve more income than anybody else. I said Doctors who have completed 15 years of training deserve every penny they get.

I had a job since I was 13. I put myself through college and I was the first in my family to go to a 4 year university. fuck off until you get a clue. cunt.

Nice!

Originally Posted by M4A3

I'm going to start ignoring everything you post, because what you post is always retarded.

Good. It's real easy to do. Genius that you are you should be able to figure it out.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

You're an inbred retard. When you get a clue come on back. Until then go eat a big bag of black dicks.

Dumb ass thinks there is more courts in those 27 states then 23 your a complete moron barry lover. Shouldnt you have Barrys dick in your mouth since he's your hero.Its amazing you came up with that answer about the courts it just makes you look more stupid then you already are.

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

Dumb ass thinks there is more courts in those 27 states then 23 your a complete moron barry lover. Shouldnt you have Barrys dick in your mouth since he's your hero.Its amazing you came up with that answer about the courts it just makes you look more stupid then you already are.

I'll clue you in on a little known fact. Those courts handle more than one case. They hide information like that in books. They also dispense it in these places called schools. Try going to one.

Also it is ultimately the United States Supreme Court that decides whether a law is Constitutional. Some state attorney general doesn't do that.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

I'll clue you in on a little known fact. Those courts handle more than one case. They hide information like that in books. They also dispense it in these places called schools. Try going to one.

Also it is ultimately the United States Supreme Court that decides whether a law is Constitutional. Some state attorney general doesn't do that.

You stupid dumb ass I already told you that in my earlier post idiot that it would go to the supremem court you pathetic little kid.Your a idiot like I said those 27 states have more fed courts . Plain dumb

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

You stupid dumb ass I already told you that in my earlier post idiot that it would go to the supremem court you pathetic little kid.Your a idiot like I said those 27 states have more fed courts . Plain dumb

Go back and read everything you've posted. You make absolutely no sense. Someone for whom english is a third language makes more sense than you.

Show me where those 27 federal court cases were losses to the healthcare bill.

only parts were ruled unconstitutional.

anyone that thinks the US doesn't need healthcare reform has not one clue about economics.

Originally Posted by LAM

only parts were ruled unconstitutional.

anyone that thinks the US doesn't need healthcare reform has not one clue about economics.

i think we can all agree that reform IS needed......it's just a difference of opinions on what and how it should be done.....

once the "baby boom" generation dies things will be better.....

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i think we can all agree that reform IS needed......it's just a difference of opinions on what and how it should be done.....

once the "baby boom" generation dies things will be better.....

actually things are going to get much, much worst...

they are the last generation to make a decent wages once adjusted for inflation. the replacement of low paying jobs in the service sector means that future generations are going to make less money not be able to finance houses or save much for retirement. you simply can't do squat with wages of $8-$14 except barely pay your current expenses. this is one of the reasons why the GDP has steadily declined since the late 70's and 80's.

the flood of housing back into the market when baby boomers start dying will cause a rapid excess of homes on the market causing low occupancy rates, home values will plummet along with equity.

we definitely NEED a population reduction for that age range......that will help balance some things out....it's not the overall solution, but it is a major factor in health care costs

Originally Posted by irish_2003

once the "baby boom" generation dies things will be better.....

You are out of your mind. The baby boomer generation is the last generation to grow up healthy, performing physical work every day and eating normal portions of healthy food. They've only been eating like shit and laying around for 20 years. It is going to get much worse, our healthcare costs are going to start going up logarithmically in the next decade.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Go back and read everything you've posted. You make absolutely no sense. Someone for whom english is a third language makes more sense than you.

Show me where those 27 federal court cases were losses to the healthcare bill.

Again you dumbass 27 states have ruled and filed suit that Barrys health care is unconstitutional and want it thrown out so that leaves 23 states left dumb ass . And like I said in those 27 states theres more federal courts then in those 23 states dumb ass. And you said theres more federal courts for the health care moron which there isnt