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No subway, no Broadway: NYC goes dark for Irene
By Colleen Long and Samantha Gross
August 26, 2011
NEW YORK (AP) - The nation's biggest subway system was ordered shut down as Hurricane Irene bore down Friday, potentially paralyzing movement for millions of carless people even as more than 300,000 were told to evacuate to safer places.
The unprecedented orders, which affect New Yorkers from the Bronx's most distant reaches down through Manhattan and out to the beaches of Brooklyn and Queens, dealt the congested metropolis a formidable logistical challenge that raised more questions than it resolved:
Where are all of those people in New York's flood-prone areas supposed to go? And, more pointedly, how are they going to get there - especially since many don't own a car?
Subways, buses and trains in one of the world's largest public transportation systems were to stop running at noon Saturday.
Bridges and tunnels also could be closed as the storm approaches, clogging traffic in an already congested city.
The five main New York City-area airports were also scheduled to close at noon Saturday for arriving passenger flights. Three of them, John F. Kennedy International Airport, LaGuardia International Airport and Newark Liberty International Airport, are among the busiest airports in the nation.
Officials hoped most residents would stay with family and friends, and for the rest the city opened nearly 100 shelters with a capacity of 71,000 people.
Many people scoffed at the danger and vowed to ride it out at home.
"How can I get out of Coney Island? What am I going to do? Run with this walker?" said 82-year-old Abe Feinstein, who has lived since the early 1960s on the eighth floor of a building that overlooks the famed Coney Island boardwalk.
He said he watched Hurricane Gloria in 1985 from an apartment down the street.
"I think I have nothing to worry about," he said. "I've been through bad weather before. It's just not going to be a problem for us."
Irene was expected to make landfall in North Carolina on Saturday, then roll up the I-95 corridor reaching New York on Sunday.
A hurricane warning was issued for the city Friday afternoon, the first time that's happened since Gloria.
If the storm stays on its current path, skyscraper windows could shatter, tree limbs would fall and debris would be tossed around.
Streets in southern tip of the city could be under a few feet of water, and police readied rescue boats but said they wouldn't go out if conditions were poor.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was confident people would get out of the storm's way.
"We do not have the manpower to go door-to-door and drag people out of their homes," he said. "Nobody's going to get fined. Nobody's going to go to jail. But if you don't follow this, people might die."
Several New York landmarks were under the evacuation order, including the Battery Park City area, where tourists catch ferries to the Statue of Liberty.
Construction was stopping throughout the city, and workers at the site of the World Trade Center were dismantling a crane and securing equipment. Bloomberg said there would be no effect on the Sept. 11 memorial opening the day after the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Sporting events, concerts and even Broadway were going dark.
In Lower Manhattan, Milton Melendez and partner Shea Collins were headed to uptown to a neighborhood north of Little Italy. Melendez, who survived Hurricane David as a child in the Dominican Republic, was worried about windows being blown out at their apartment. Collins was a little more blasé.
"This is the same thing as a snowstorm," she said. "They say there's going to be 10 feet and there's four inches."
Bloomberg weathered criticism after a Dec. 26 storm dumped nearly two feet of snow that seemed to catch officials by surprise. Subway trains, buses and ambulances got stuck in the snow, some for hours, and streets were impassable for days. Bloomberg ultimately called it an "inadequate and unacceptable" response.
This time officials weren't taking any chances. Transit officials said they can't run once sustained winds reach 39 mph, and they need eight hours to move trains and equipment to safety.
The subway system won't reopen until at least Monday, after pumps remove water from flooded stations. Even on a dry day, about 200 pump rooms remove between 13 million to 15 million gallons of water that seeps into the tunnels deep underground.
Still, not everyone was worried.
Probir Roy, a Bangladesh native who was waiting for a bus to New Jersey, went through a tsunami when he was 10.
"I'm not scared. It's my wife," said the Wall Street manager, who was traveling to Clifton, N.J. "I'm going by bus. She took my car."
There are about 1.6 million people in Manhattan and about 6.8 million in the city's other four boroughs.
Bloomberg warned residents not to be fooled by the sunny weather Friday and said police officers would use loudspeakers on patrol vehicles to spread the word about the evacuation.
At the Red Hook Lobster Pound facing the New York Harbor, owner Ralph Gorham had about $26,000 worth of lobster stored in a refrigerator, plus a tank filled with live crustaceans from Maine.
"I'm staying," he said. "But if we get, say, a few feet of water in here, it'll be a huge loss."
For those with cars, parking was available at the city's evacuation centers. From there, each family will be assigned to a shelter and taken there by bus.
In the Queens community of the Rockaways, more than 111,000 people live on a barrier peninsula connected to the city by two bridges and to Long Island to the west.
The city's public transit system carries about 5 million passengers on an average weekday, and the entire system has never before been halted because of natural disaster. It was seriously hobbled by an August 2007 rainstorm that disabled or delayed every one of the city's subway lines. And it was shut down after the 9/11 attacks and during a 2005 strike.
"It's possible to evacuate without going very far," said John Nielsen-Gammon, a Texas A&M University meteorologist who has been involved in disaster planning in his role as the state climatologist.
"The big wild card for New York is the fact that nobody there is used to a hurricane and can't rely on common sense or past experience as a guide. And what we learned from evacuations in Houston is that people rely on their friends and their own experience as much as, or more than, they rely on public officials."
Glenn Corbett, a professor who teaches in the emergency management program at the city's John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said he was startled at how early the city planned to halt subways.
"You can tell people to do things, and that doesn't actually mean they're going to do it until the last possible moment. And then what?" he said.
In the last 200 years, New York has seen only a few significant hurricanes. In September of 1821, a hurricane raised tides by 13 feet in an hour and flooded the southernmost tip of Manhattan in an area that now includes Wall Street and the World Trade Center memorial.
In 1938, a storm dubbed the Long Island Express came ashore about 75 miles east of the city on neighboring Long Island and then hit New England, killing 700 people and leaving 63,000 homeless.
And in 1944, an area was flooded in Midtown, where Times Square, Broadway theaters and the Empire State Building are located.
Workers at the North Cove marina were busy anchoring down boats or getting ready to set sail up the Hudson River. A number of yachts were leaving.
"It's going to be boats versus concrete and I don't think fiberglass is going to win," said Elizabeth Pellatte, the deck supervisor and assistant to the owner of the $35 million Remember When yacht.
"It will be worth the $10,000 in gas to save $1 million in damage."
Ordinarily, the boat is based in Florida.
"We spend summers up here usually to escape the hurricanes but this time, one followed us," she said.
Associated Press writers Jonathan M. Katz, Larry Neumeister and Jennifer Peltz in New York and Michael Virtanen in Albany, N.Y., contributed to this report.
From The Associated Press

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What have you heard? They're calling for 30% chance of rain in south central PA but we haven't had a drop yet.



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She got in that hair gel gooped water flowing from the Jersey Shore and got slowed down...
Coarse edged youth, the irish pendants string from their smiles
not yet plucked as to slacken the seams
and drag down the features of age,
no folds or creases from unkempt wear
eyes of tranquilty, crystalline-beads
no sign of despair in their hair, nor their hearts
but oh they have yet to be experienced and that makes aging so very worth it...ML circa2012


the "hype" with this is nothing more than fearmongering and a catalyst for fema and gov't handouts to be used and abused.....
I don't think the hype wasn't warranted. There was plenty of reason to be fearful and prepare. This part of the continent has rarely seen storms like this, so people had to prepare from scratch. The environment is changing, as it always has, and always will. Even with the earthquake last week, if it had been worse, many older structures would have crumbled because this was never anticipated.
Irene is still on the go, and I have heard of tornadoes coming about. Still waiting to see how we are affected in Eastern Ontario.
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The worst happens when you least expect.
I am tired of all the coverage already, damn paranoid, the world is ending idiots are scaring my mother.
Well, I do agree that some people do overreact. I haven't watched the news at all, not that concerned about it. Its the aftermath that has my curiosity piqued.
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You guys, this is no joke. NYC is issuing weather warnings as we speak.
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK METRO AREA
1011 AM EDT SAT AUG 27, 2011
...MODERATE DAMAGE EXPECTED...
.HURRICANE IRENE...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF MANY AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS IN THE MIDWEST.
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE WET FOR DAYS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
WETNESS.
THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL, AS THEY HAVE BEEN ABANDONED SINCE 1993.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE HAMMOCK AND PORCH SWING FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE PARTIED IN. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR FESTIVITIES...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF DECORUM.
HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY SLIGHTLY...LIKE THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DO WHEN IT IS WINDY OUT. ALL WINDOWS WILL GET RAIN ON THEM.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE ITEMS SUCH
AS SAND AND EVEN LEAVES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES
AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL HAVE DEBRIS BLOWN ON THEM. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL INCONVENIENCE. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN COMICAL SWAYING IF STRUCK.
POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR HOURS...AS MOST POWER POLES MIGHT POSSIBLY MALFUNCTION
AND TRANSFORMERS TRIFLED WITH. FIJI BOTTLED WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL SWAY. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STILL...BUT MAY HAVE SOME DEFOLIATION. NO
CROPS WILL REMAIN, SINCE CROPS ARE NOT REALLY GROWN HERE. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
MOVED.
AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.
ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!


time for all the criminals to start looting........robbing from pharmacies and electronics stores
So what happened? Is lower Manhattan flooded?!
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Meh....just a lot of rain and wind.
Times Square Cam - EarthCam


Is anyone in Toronto? If so, how bad was it there? It should have been brief.


There was some flooding. It was not as bad as it could have been.
Raw: Irene Brings Flooding to Manhattan | Featured Videos | Comcast.net


Another disturbance has formed off of the coast of Africa since this morning. Unlike TS Jose, which is north of Bermuda and should not threaten the coast, the new storm could organize and approach along the Carribean islands.
National Hurricane Center
Ottawa had no rain at all, a good amount of wind, but nothing too serious. Sadly, I wanted more! (fucked, I know)
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There is flooding after the fact. The local rivers can't handle all the extra water.
Hurricane Irene aftermath: Gov. Christie urges people to stay home Monday, while most train service remains suspended | NJ.com


This reminds me of the times when snow and ice storms strand passengers during the holidays.


Some people never think it can happen to them. This woman didn't think of having flood insurance living on a mountain:
Irene surprises upstate NY town - CBS News Video




The article in today's paper is not online. The local banks here in NJ will be responsible for clean up and repair for foreclosure properties.
In 1944 an earthquake epicentered in Massena, NY preceded a hurricane by a few days.
An earthquake and hurricane days apart? It's happened before in N.J. (see video) | NJ.com


Nearly 6 days later 376,000 customers in this area are still without electricity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/ny...ines&emc=tha29
min0 did you consider looting anything?

We were lucky to not get hit hard.
I had this conversation with this guy who lived upstate and he was telling about a storm that hit him bad back in the 90's, street were flooded waist deep, sidewalks caved in....I told him nothing really happened here.
I live miles away from any lakes, rivers.....this guy lives next to one, what do you expect.
It's all about location.
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