WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head

**LAM** · 09-04-2011, 01:19 PM

WikiLeaks: Iraqi children in U.S. raid shot in head, U.N. says | McClatchy

A U.S. diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks provides evidence that U.S. troops executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old infant, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence, during a controversial 2006 incident in the central Iraqi town of Ishaqi.

The unclassified cable, which was posted on WikiLeaks' website last week, contained questions from a United Nations investigator about the incident, which had angered local Iraqi officials, who demanded some kind of action from their government. U.S. officials denied at the time that anything inappropriate had occurred.

But Philip Alston, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, said in a communication to American officials dated 12 days after the March 15, 2006, incident that autopsies performed in the Iraqi city of Tikrit showed that all the dead had been handcuffed and shot in the head. Among the dead were four women and five children. The children were all 5 years old or younger.

Reached by email Wednesday, Alston said that as of 2010 — the most recent data he had — U.S. officials hadn't responded to his request for information and that Iraq's government also hadn't been forthcoming. He said the lack of response from the United States "was the case with most of the letters to the U.S. in the 2006-2007 period," when fighting in Iraq peaked.

Alston said he could provide no further information on the incident. "The tragedy," he said, "is that this elaborate system of communications is in place but the (U.N.) Human Rights Council does nothing to follow up when states ignore issues raised with them."

The Pentagon didn't respond to a request for comment. At the time, American military officials in Iraq said the accounts of townspeople who witnessed the events were highly unlikely to be true, and they later said the incident didn't warrant further investigation. Military officials also refused to reveal which units might have been involved in the incident.

Iraq was fast descending into chaos in early 2006. An explosion that ripped through the Golden Dome Mosque that February had set off an orgy of violence between rival Sunni and Shiite Muslims, and Sunni insurgents, many aligned with al Qaida in Iraq, controlled large tracts of the countryside.

Ishaqi, about 80 miles northwest of Baghdad, not far from Saddam Hussein's hometown, Tikrit, was considered so dangerous at the time that U.S. military officials had classified all roads in the area as "black," meaning they were likely to be booby-trapped with roadside bombs.

The Ishaqi incident was unusual because it was brought to the world's attention by the Joint Coordination Center in Tikrit, a regional security center set up with American military assistance and staffed by U.S.-trained Iraqi police officers.

The original incident report was signed by an Iraqi police colonel and made even more noteworthy because U.S.-trained Iraqi police, including Brig. Gen. Issa al Juboori, who led the coordination center, were willing to speak about the investigation on the record even though it was critical of American forces.

Throughout the early investigation, U.S. military spokesmen said that an al Qaida in Iraq suspect had been seized from a first-floor room after a fierce fight that had left the house he was hiding in a pile of rubble.

But the diplomatic cable provides a different sequence of events and lends credence to townspeople's claims that American forces destroyed the house after its residents had been shot.

Alston initially posed his questions to the U.S. Embassy in Geneva, which passed them to Washington in the cable.

According to Alston's version of events, American troops approached a house in Ishaqi, which Alston refers to as "Al-Iss Haqi," that belonged to Faiz Harrat Al-Majma'ee, whom Alston identified as a farmer. The U.S. troops were met with gunfire, Alston said, that lasted about 25 minutes.

After the firefight ended, Alston wrote, the "troops entered the house, handcuffed all residents and executed all of them. After the initial MNF intervention, a U.S. air raid ensued that destroyed the house." The initials refer to the official name of the military coalition, the Multi-National Force.

Alston said "Iraqi TV stations broadcast from the scene and showed bodies of the victims (i.e. five children and four women) in the morgue of Tikrit. Autopsies carries (sic) out at the Tikrit Hospital's morgue revealed that all corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed."

The cable makes no mention any of the alleged shooting suspects being found or arrested at or near the house.

The cable closely tracks what neighbors told reporters for Knight Ridder at the time. (McClatchy purchased Knight Ridder in spring 2006.) Those neighbors said the U.S. troops had approached the house at 2:30 a.m. and a firefight ensued. In addition to exchanging gunfire with someone in the house, the American troops were supported by helicopter gunships, which fired on the house.

The cable also backs the original report from the Joint Coordination Center, which said U.S. forces entered the house while it was still standing. That first report noted: "The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men. Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

The report was signed by Col. Fadhil Muhammed Khalaf, who was described in the document as the assistant chief of the Joint Coordination Center.

The cable also backs up the claims of the doctor who performed the autopsies, who told Knight Ridder "that all the victims had bullet shots in the head and all bodies were handcuffed."

The cable notes that "at least 10 persons, namely Mr. Faiz Hratt Khalaf, (aged 28), his wife Sumay'ya Abdul Razzaq Khuther (aged 24), their three children Hawra'a (aged 5) Aisha (aged 3) and Husam (5 months old), Faiz's mother Ms. Turkiya Majeed Ali (aged 74), Faiz's sister (name unknown), Faiz's nieces Asma'a Yousif Ma'arouf (aged 5 years old), and Usama Yousif Ma'arouf (aged 3 years), and a visiting relative Ms. Iqtisad Hameed Mehdi (aged 23) were killed during the raid."

(Schofield, an editorial writer at The Kansas City Star, was Berlin bureau chief and was on temporary assignment in Iraq at the time of the Ishaqi incident.)

**Killermonkey** · 09-04-2011, 01:53 PM

**Zaphod** · 09-04-2011, 02:33 PM

Shit like that has been going on for a long time. Friend of mine was in Force Recon and there were plenty of times they had to now just clear a building but clear a village or town. That meant everybody.

**Muscle_Girl** · 09-04-2011, 02:43 PM

Reverse this situation with it having 4 American women and 5 American children who were shot in the head. After the reaction of 9/11, I can only imagine what it could be in this situation. It would be everywhere, everyone calling for reprimand, and even starting wars. But, because its the States, its all hushed.

Killing innocent people is wrong, no matter who does it or where its done.

**dogsoldier** · 09-04-2011, 03:30 PM

Those who never seen war will never understand. Civilian causalities happen. However, no military in the history of the world ever take more precautions than the US.

This is a real event. What would you do when you see your buddies on either side of you taking fire, some are getting hit, and the pricks doing the shooting have women and children sitting on their backs?

I'll give you a hint, you line up and shoot the cock suckers in the face hoping you don't hit anyone else.

**Dale Mabry** · 09-04-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

Those who never seen war will never understand. Civilian causalities happen. However, no military in the history of the world ever take more precautions than the US.

This is a real event. What would you do when you see your buddies on either side of you taking fire, some are getting hit, and the pricks doing the shooting have women and children sitting on their backs?

I'll give you a hint, you line up and shoot the cock suckers in the face hoping you don't hit anyone else.

Getting caught up in crossfire and beng executed aren't the same thing. You don't have to go to war to know that executing a 5 month old isn't right. Had it been a 12 yr old with a bomb strapped to his/her chest or a weapon I could see justifying it.

**sofargone561** · 09-04-2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

Those who never seen war will never understand. Civilian causalities happen. However, no military in the history of the world ever take more precautions than the US.

This is a real event. What would you do when you see your buddies on either side of you taking fire, some are getting hit, and the pricks doing the shooting have women and children sitting on their backs?

I'll give you a hint, you line up and shoot the cock suckers in the face hoping you don't hit anyone else.

^^this sometimes its the god damn woman and childred doing the shooting.

**Dale Mabry** · 09-04-2011, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

Reverse this situation with it having 4 American women and 5 American children who were shot in the head. After the reaction of 9/11, I can only imagine what it could be in this situation. It would be everywhere, everyone calling for reprimand, and even starting wars. But, because its the States, its all hushed.

Killing innocent people is wrong, no matter who does it or where its done.

Incorrect, it's only wrong when someone else does it, when you are doing it there is a perfectly good reason.

**LAM** · 09-04-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

Those who never seen war will never understand.

I'll give you a hint, you line up and shoot the cock suckers in the face hoping you don't hit anyone else.

but it isn't war it's colonialism and murder. the country of Iraq does not have a Navy or ICBM's they are a non-threat in terms of actual war. there is nor never was any reason for the US to invade and "occupy" Iraq.

I hope you are not implying that the US has/had an actual right or logical reason to be in Iraq that does not involve oil, or the USD. if so they have therapists that can prescribe you meds for that.

I've been in combat and nothing could make me shot a 5year old kid in the head. that is not the action of a professional soldier.

**DOMS** · 09-04-2011, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

Those who never seen war will never understand. Civilian causalities happen. However, no military in the history of the world ever take more precautions than the US.

This is a real event. What would you do when you see your buddies on either side of you taking fire, some are getting hit, and the pricks doing the shooting have women and children sitting on their backs?

I'll give you a hint, you line up and shoot the cock suckers in the face hoping you don't hit anyone else.

I don't remember the details (feel free to look it up) where US solders (spec op, I believe) were killed because they left an "innocent" man and his young son alive. Those innocents related the soldiers' location to insurgents, who promptly killed them.

**sofargone561** · 09-04-2011, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

but it isn't war it's colonialism and murder. the country of Iraq does not have a Navy or ICBM's they are a non-threat in terms of actual war. there is nor never was any reason for the US to invade and "occupy" Iraq.

I've been in combat and nothing could make me shot a 5year old kid in the head. that is not the action of a professional soldier.

Im going to have to agree with u on everything but i will kill anyone if i had to

**Dale Mabry** · 09-04-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I don't remember the details (feel free to look it up) where US solders (spec op, I believe) were killed because they left an "innocent" man and his young son alive. Those innocents related the soldiers' location to insurgents, who promptly killed them.

I know, those 5 month olds can be such snitches.

**DOMS** · 09-04-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I know, those 5 month olds can be such snitches.

I've had a enough nice restaurant meals ruined by crying 5 month olds that I'd kill them on principle.

The article claims that every single person was handcuffed and executed. Do you think they make handcuffs for 5 month olds?

**Dale Mabry** · 09-04-2011, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've had a enough nice restaurant meals ruined by crying 5 month olds that I'd kill them on principle.

The article claims that every single person was handcuffed and executed. Do you think they make handcuffs for 5 month olds?

I doubt they even use handcuffs, they probably use zip ties.

**LAM** · 09-04-2011, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Do you think they make handcuffs for 5 month olds?

that's pretty much a moot point if they were handcuffed or not it's still cold blooded murder of a child. we shouldn't be there now and we shouldn't have invaded in 2003.

**DOMS** · 09-04-2011, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I doubt they even use handcuffs, they probably use zip ties.

I'm certain they zip-tied a 5 month old.

Killed everyone in the building? I could buy that. But adding shit like they zip-tied a 5 month old? That shit if fishier than a Chinese hooker's snatch.

**DOMS** · 09-04-2011, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

that's pretty much a moot point if they were handcuffed or not it's still cold blooded murder of a child. we shouldn't be there now and we shouldn't have invaded in 2003.

No doubt. Taking liberties with so important an event is no big deal. Not at all.

I'm okay with initial war, but I agree staying was a wrong. It's a waste of American (and its allies) lives and money.

**sofargone561** · 09-04-2011, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm certain they zip-tied a 5 month old.

Killed everyone in the building? I could buy that. But adding shit like they zip-tied a 5 month old? That shit if fishier than a Chinese hooker's snatch.

eeeewww i smelt that comment throught the screeen!!

P.s. tried to rep but i gotta spread some more love first lmao

**Dale Mabry** · 09-04-2011, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm certain they zip-tied a 5 month old.

Killed everyone in the building? I could buy that. But adding shit like they zip-tied a 5 month old? That shit if fishier than a Chinese hooker's snatch.

I also doubt they ziptied or handcuffed a baby, but do you really think they made the whole thing up and the whole thing loses credibility. With witnesses and names/ages of the victims, just because they didn't write, "They handcuffed all of the people in the house, except for the baby, because you obviously don't handcuff a baby."

I thought you were against conspiracy theories.

**DOMS** · 09-04-2011, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I also doubt they ziptied or handcuffed a baby, but do you really think they made the whole thing up and the whole thing loses credibility. With witnesses and names/ages of the victims, just because they didn't write, "They handcuffed all of the people in the house, except for the baby, because you obviously don't handcuff a baby."

I thought you were against conspiracy theories.

I am. I also don't trust the "news" any more than I trust politicians.

I also don't trust Wikileaks 100%. Don't me wrong, I like what they're doing, but my positive view of them doesn't mean that I'll stop thinking when they say something.

I also don't trust the UN for shit.

Take this for example:

Theunclassified cable,whichwas posted on WikiLeaks' website last week, contained questions from a United Nations investigator about the incident, which had angered local Iraqi officials, who demanded some kind of action from their government. U.S. officials denied at the time that anything inappropriate had occurred.

Reading this, it appears that the Iraqi officials are mad about something they read from the UN, rather the the actual event. That means they're not reacting to any sort of proof, just a report from a UN investigator.

Also, who did the autopsy? Iraqis? UN?

And this bit:

According to Alston's version of events, American troops approached a house in Ishaqi, which Alston refers to as "Al-Iss Haqi," that belonged to Faiz Harrat Al-Majma'ee, whom Alston identified as a farmer. The U.S. troops were met with gunfire, Alston said, that lasted about 25 minutes.

After the firefight ended, Alston wrote, the "troops entered the house, handcuffed all residents and executed all of them. After the initial MNF intervention, a U.S. air raid ensued that destroyed the house." The initials refer to the official name of the military coalition, the Multi-National Force.

"Met with gunfire"? So they took fire for 25 minutes and did nothing in return? Or did they return fire back for that 25 minutes and kill no one? After all, everyone in the house had been executed at the end. No mention of anyone dying any other way. So they US shoots, or doesn't shoot, for 25 minutes and the same people that had done the 25 minutes of shooting just gave up without a single fatality?

Hell, what do I know? Maybe the troops cuffed and executed a few corpses?

There's also no mention of removing the bodies. So was the autopsy done on the corpses after they were bombed? When the US bombs something, they bomb is straight to hell. And into little itty-bitty pieces. Or are they taking more liberties? Just how many liberties did they take?

I'm not saying that the US troops didn't do it. However, looking at the shoddy "facts" so far, the people in the house could just have easily been killed in a fire-fight.

**LAM** · 09-04-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm not saying that the US troops didn't do it. However, looking at the shoddy "facts" so far, the people in the house could just have easily been killed in a fire-fight.

I understand what you are saying in regards to some of the details in the report. my point is simply that none of that really matters at all, that war is illegal and every single person being killed there in reality is being murdered.

the neo-cons (Scooter Libby, etc.) stated in the original defense planning guide in the early 90's that there were no longer any global threats to the US and that Saddam had to be removed from power to insure that the US had access to Iraq oil AND so that the US could establish a permanent military presence in the Gulf. these are facts that can not even be debated.

"Middle East and Southwest Asia

In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region’s oil. We also seek to deter further aggression in the region, foster regional stability, protect U.S. nationals and property, and safeguard our access to international air and seaways. As demonstrated by Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, it remains fundamentally important to prevent a hegemon or alignment of powers from dominating the region. This pertains especially to the Arabian peninsula. Therefore, we must continue to play a role through enhanced deterrence and improved cooperative security."

The Nuclear Vault: The Making of the Cheney Regional Defense Strategy, 1991-1992

**LightBearer** · 09-05-2011, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

What would you do when you see your buddies on either side of you taking fire, some are getting hit, and the pricks doing the shooting have women and children sitting on their backs?

So you handcuff them all, and execute them? were our troops lives in danger after the people were handcuffed? no. oh but youll never understand its wrong to execute innocent people

**sofargone561** · 09-05-2011, 02:43 PM

ok jesus calm down^

**dogsoldier** · 09-06-2011, 01:59 PM

Alright, we had some soldiers go off the deep end. It happens. Unless you have seen war you will never understand why it happens. It is not excusable, but it does happen. Now, to all those throwing rocks at the US Military, why are you not carrying on about the tens of thousands the Taliban, El Qaeda and Sadamists butchered?

I am too old to have been in the Middle East. I was attached to a unit that ran ops in Central America years ago. The shit I saw the "Revolutionary Freedom Fighters" do to the people would make most of you piss down both legs. The left treated these pigs as heroes. The media never reported the annihilation of an entire village of peasants by the Maoists rebels. Children kidnapped to be brainwashed to fight for the commies, rape, nursing mothers who had their breasts cut off. The list goes on and on. Then the media and fools who drank the Kool Aid jump right on board denouncing us. Shit I actually made national news because three of my buddies and I were caught by some fucking libatard news guy walking around in civies on a day off carrying personal protection side arms in El Salvador.

The bottom line is the bad guys and mutants get a pass from everyone no matter what they do. The American, Brit or Canadian soldier farts wrong, and it becomes the personification of evil. Fuck you.

**Big Pimpin** · 09-06-2011, 02:44 PM

It's war. Shit happens.

**ANIMALHAUS** · 09-06-2011, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm certain they zip-tied a 5 month old.

Killed everyone in the building? I could buy that. But adding shit like they zip-tied a 5 month old? That shit if fishier than a Chinese hooker's snatch.

**LAM** · 09-06-2011, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

It's war. Shit happens.

but it's not war, it's colonialism....

**Big Pimpin** · 09-06-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

but it's not war, it's colonialism....

More of a cluster fuck but shit happens.

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