Thread: Loose Change

Yeah, it came out like 8 years ago. Not convincing enough for me though. Even if, that rhetoric isn't enough for people to join as one and overthrow the government as the director desperately wants.

it was pretty damn convincing to me.

They provided comprehensive evidence, sure. But it is too far fetched like the part where it takes a certain degree to deteriorate the metals in the towers to make them fall. Bullshit! Those towers were hit by two fucking fucking jumbo jets. They are going to fall. They weren't rigged with explosives like the director claims.

The only part I was sold on was the woman in the hospital who claims to have been paid off to keep her mouth shut outside the pentagon.

I don't care what the director said, I was listening to the scientists, you might want to check out the updated version they have a lot of new evidence to "prove" that there is no way those towers (including BLDG 7) could have collapsed by a fire after burning for one hour, or even 10 hours, its impossible.

I just don't believe that our government is the enemy

Oh, and the stock trading was also convincing to me. Somebody knew something, is all I have to say

Originally Posted by Killermonkey

I just don't believe that our government is the enemy

our government is not the enemy, but they have an agenda of controlling us, it also goes way beyond just the USA, its the group of people that control the world, don't be so naive.

Originally Posted by Killermonkey

I just don't believe that our government is the enemy

government is a bureaucracy and functions as it is allowed. the prob in the US is the big corps (MIC) pulling the strings of government and their quest for ever increasing profits/power. the issue with the FRB and the finance sector is a different issue but just as harmful.

Originally Posted by Prince

I don't care what the director said, I was listening to the scientists, you might want to check out the updated version they have a lot of new evidence to "prove" that there is no way those towers (including BLDG 7) could have collapsed by a fire after burning for one hour, or even 10 hours, its impossible.

TOTALLY agree with this.
I think there is MUCH more to this.

Watch Zeitgeist. They talked to the engineers that designed the building. They said it was designed to withstand 3 hits from a 747. Although at our engineering company we can't even design a functioning detention pond.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Watch Zeitgeist. They talked to the engineers that designed the building. They said it was designed to withstand 3 hits from a 747. Although at our engineering company we can't even design a functioning detention pond.

Originally Posted by Killermonkey

Oh, and the stock trading was also convincing to me. Somebody knew something, is all I have to say

There was an unusual volume of puts that day...its doesn't mean that much.

Just b/c there was a high volume (remember for every trade profiting off the downtrend, buying puts, there is a trade profiting from uptrend, selling puts) doesn't mean there was something fishy by any means. For all we know, there was a high volume day on the underlying asset (the actually stock itself, not the derivative) and the trader hedge his position by buying puts to protect himself against the stock moving lower...ie the trader isn't profiting from buy the put...just mitigating some risk.

Of all the evidence in loose change (95% debunked IMHO) the trading of AMR is the most far reaching speculative piece of circumstantial evidence.

What about the "Live Fly" exercises that the military were doing on 9/11? Some were even portrayed as a hijacking. There is audio of the commander asking if this was another "Test". That's just too coincidental for me. It served as an event to get the people behind the president's war on "Terror". And all of this 10th annv. BS is just another way for the media to bring back all of these emotions that the people felt in order to help justify the war. Think about this shit.

Now DO NOT get me wrong. What happened that day was horrible. And my heart goes out to the people who suffered or had loved ones taken.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

There was an unusual volume of puts that day...its doesn't mean that much.

Just b/c there was a high volume (remember for every trade profiting off the downtrend, buying puts, there is a trade profiting from uptrend, selling puts) doesn't mean there was something fishy by any means. For all we know, there was a high volume day on the underlying asset (the actually stock itself, not the derivative) and the trader hedge his position by buying puts to protect himself against the stock moving lower...ie the trader isn't profiting from buy the put...just mitigating some risk.

Of all the evidence in loose change (95% debunked IMHO) the trading of AMR is the most far reaching speculative piece of circumstantial evidence.

I think most people think this way because it's less painful, there is no disputing the science and facts presented by the scientists and engineers they interviewed, u may want to watch the updated version before u so quickly dismiss it all.

Originally Posted by Prince

I think most people think this way because it's less painful, there is no disputing the science and facts presented by the scientists and engineers they interviewed, u may want to watch the updated version before u so quickly dismiss it all.

I have...more than once

I'm not going to debunk the film due to lack of interest and time...but I just wanted to point out the options trading idea is so far out, its not even in the ballpark of rationale.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

There was an unusual volume of puts that day...its doesn't mean that much.

it means a ton when there was puts on AA specifically...there is and has always been a plethora of insider trading going down on wallstreet. the airlines were circulating internal memo's in the months prior about the possibility of a highjacking. previously in history they have always been about either money or political in nature.

I know enough about science to know that jet fuel can not vaporize steel and that no plane hit the pentagon.

when it comes to neo-cons nothing is beyond them IMO. just because they are extremists in suits changes nothing about the nature of extremism.

Originally Posted by LAM

it means a ton when there was puts on AA specifically...there is and has always been a plethora of insider trading going down on wallstreet. the airlines were circulating internal memo's in the months prior about the possibility of a highjacking. previously in history they have always been about either money or political in nature.

I know enough about science to know that jet fuel can not vaporize steel and that no plane hit the pentagon.

when it comes to neo-cons nothing is beyond them IMO. just because they are extremists in suits changes nothing about the nature of extremism.

no dude...it doesn't mean anything. For all you know, they were sold OTM puts (ie profiting from the underlying asset going up or staying flat and NOT profiting from the stock dropping in value). If the listener of the movie honestly believes that, I would suggest reading an options 101 book.

Read "The New Pearl Harbor" It's insane the information provided to pretty much state the US was either involved or let it happen. Eitherway, the book is pretty intense and is pretty mind blowing. Things that give it away: Witnesses hearing "explosions", the stock market trading right before 9/11, and Bush caught lying even on TV where pretty much everything was taken off.

If the book doesn't make you a least wonder (if you completely believe it was pure terror acts) then you should read it again. It's got facts straight from the government, the guy who wrote it is a genius.

Exactly they have proven there was explosive material in the dust and it is the only explanation for the way the towers collapsed. The fires alone could not have done it, these are facts that have not, nor can be disputed. The 10,000 page report from NIST had no explanation for the way all 3 skyscrapers collapsed.

Biggest cover up in US history and most Americans bought the story. And there is zero evidence that a plane hit the pentagon, not one trace of a jet at the scene.

There was a much bigger agenda at hand and blowing up some buildings and killing a few thousand people was not an issue. It served the purpose, it was a success and not one carried out by a man in a cave on the other side of the world. It was planned for years and the level of sophistication was at a level that required many insiders.

And why was the Patriot Act already created before 9-11 and put into place right after?

Are we all really this stupid?

The FDA cares about our health too, right? Lol

Originally Posted by Prince

I don't care what the director said, I was listening to the scientists, you might want to check out the updated version they have a lot of new evidence to "prove" that there is no way those towers (including BLDG 7) could have collapsed by a fire after burning for one hour, or even 10 hours, its impossible.

Also the planes that crashed are counter weighted with depleted uranium in a candium shell............. those incinerated in the fires..............do you think they told anyone? Bush never showed up till AFTER in rained which was enough to settle the dust and be safe....... so he knew Anyone ever wonder why so many people died with the mysterious 9/11 sickness? well there ya go........

Well said Prince. Like I said, if you haven't check out that book. You'll find it very interesting.