Thread: Should it be ok for gays to adopt children?..

Originally Posted by DOMS

First off, there's more to a gay relationship than sex.

They probably effected you more than you might think. The way that you treat women is based, at least in part, how your father, and any older brothers, treated women.

To try to say that children's social development isn't heavily influenced by the parents is nothing more than denial. "I'm too cool to be like my parents." They were around you during your formative years. Especially when you were very young and your parents were everything to you.

You're right in saying that many children aim to be like their parents as longs as they admire their traits. I've learned loyalty among other things from my parents as they are still together after 40 years of marriage but that's just an example.

Id display these traits in a relationship just as I have done in the past however it would be only with people who I'm attracted to and that comes down to pure instinct. There's no way that somebody could have influenced me into doing something I didn't want to do such as being gay. Hell, my father couldn't even get me to play football!

I grew up in a small homophobic town with homophobic friends, acquaintances and both my brother and my father are homophobic yet I refused to be homophobic and infact spoke out against it at a very young age.
Where I lived is was cool to kick a football, be racist and hate on fags yet my musical idols were often gay so I felt it as being hypocritical to join the fag hating club knowing that many gay musicians have enhanced my life.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

people have a right to choose the laws that they are governed by. including defining marriage.

Does that include gay people?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

homosexuals have the same rights to start a family as a heterosexual. they just don't have the same capability in their chosen relationships

By start a family I mean be able to marry and adopt legally. Adopting some poor kid who has no parents is never a bad thing unless they prove otherwise. They should be judged on how they raise that child up and not on their sexuality. In the case of the original article, that's just pure evil and it should be dealt with accordingly.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Does that include gay people?


Does what include gay people? last i checked being gay didn't prevent you from voting


By start a family I mean be able to marry and adopt legally. Adopting some poor kid who has no parents is never a bad thing unless they prove otherwise. They should be judged on how they raise that child up and not on their sexuality. In the case of the original article, that's just pure evil and it should be dealt with accordingly. Obviously being gay has not stopped couples from adopting

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Its still illegal in my country....


As for people choosing laws, thats just an illusion to make you feel like you have a say. The media and information source manipulate the population's decision like a herd of sheep.

It takes an influencial speaker to really make any changes and be able to sway public opinion.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Its still illegal in my country....


As for people choosing laws, thats just an illusion to make you feel like you have a say. The media and information source manipulate the population's decision like a herd of sheep.

It takes an influencial speaker to really make any changes and be able to sway public opinion.

so is the population's decision easy to manipulate like a heard of sheep, or does it take an influential speaker to make changes and sway public opinion? you contradict yourself.

In my opinion I think media is the sheep. the media is a joke and gives people what they want to hear, or reports something from a view that their readers want to read it in. if anything media is the sheep

It sounds like a contradiction but it's not. The people in power (not the politicians) make the decisions and they do their best to reinforce these ideas into the consciousness of the people via the information outlets. The media may seem sheep-like however it is a carefully controlled and filtered form of information that has the ability to maintain a division among the people by consistantly pointing out their differences and not their similarities.
It keeps the public divided over trivial matters when there is much larger problems facing the human race that are widely being ignored.
The last thing the owners of the world want is an enlightened population that is willing to accept one another for who they are. Thats not in their best interest.

why not??? some gays can be very loving people.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

The last thing the owners of the world want is an enlightened population that is willing to accept one another for who they are. Thats not in their best interest.

people who control the world from behind the scenes? do you also believe Elvis lives?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

people who control the world from behind the scenes?

like the Bilderberg Group

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3773019.stm

Originally Posted by LAM

like the Bilderberg Group

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Bilderberg: The ultimate conspiracy theory

"Timothy McVeigh was among those who believed the conspiracy theory"

Originally Posted by bio-chem

"Timothy McVeigh was among those who believed the conspiracy theory"

a lot of people believe in them...conspiracy's MUST involve and illegal activity as the end result. there is nothing illegal about manipulating many stupid people of various countries into voting for people and polices that are not in there best interests. how do you think the GOP got the south to buy into right to work laws? many, many ignorant people...

can you name one logical reason why masters of industry and business from all over the world would meet periodically in secrecy?

Originally Posted by LAM

can you name one logical reason why masters of industry and business from all over the world would meet periodically in secrecy?

gay sex????

Keep sucking it up you two... The official version of the truth is always correct and anybody who questions anything is a conspiracy nut.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

The last thing the owners of the world want is an enlightened population that is willing to accept one another for who they are. Thats not in their best interest.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

people who control the world from behind the scenes? do you also believe Elvis lives?

The fact that this method has worked perfectly when its well within the human race's capacity to accept each other or... ok I'll go ahead and say it, even love one another, just shows that this method works well and that's why they incorporate it.

I know I know, it sounds like a radical concept. The idea of a race uniting and working together almost sounds Christian-like.

There's children dying of starvation everyday, there's disease killing entire nations, wars going on where innocent lives are being slaughtered of a daily basis and here we are bickering over whether or not two people who love each other should be allowed to bring an unwanted child into their lives to love, raise and care for.

An earthquake or a tsunami occurs and the world goes running to help for their own selfish gratification.

How about we attend to the disasters that have been occuring on a daily basis since well before any of us were even born? No, we just ignore that stuff and pre-occupy our mind with trivial shit that shouldnt even be an issue in the first place.

homosexualality is a mental disease and they should be committed and no they should not be around children to contaminate there minds

Originally Posted by SRMFTW

homosexualality is a mental disease and they should be committed and no they should not be around children to contaminate there minds

you need to shut the hell up. big people are talking here. the last thing i need in this conversation is someone associating your retarded postings with my point of view

Originally Posted by bio-chem

people who control the world from behind the scenes? do you also believe Elvis lives?

Leftist movements always require that there is someone powerful and evil who is oppressing the people. If we live in some sort of democracy and are empowered to elect leaders and run for office then the people are responsible. That's a problem for leftists, they can't be responsible for their own oppression so there must be someone behind the scenes promoting evil in the world. You should have asked 'do you also believe in satan?'.

Leftist, rightist, liberal, conservative ect?
I've never bothered with political labels. This political system has serious flaws within it that any rational person can see through. There's not one political party or mindset which holds the solutions to all of mankind's problems and anybody who really believes that is delusional or simply doesnt care about the most relevant issues.

The human race are only oppressed is we believe that to be true. Reality is, we, as the majority have the power to change the world into a better place for every human being yet most people accept the state of humanity as the norm, as if it couldn't be any other way when infact everything is upside down from a moral perspective using humanity itself as its moral compass.

We have the ability to consistently feed, cloth and educate the entire human population and yet this idealogy isn't represented in any political party whom I am able to vote for? If this were the case, I'd actually vote.

If the media and information sources made a similar effort to provoke general awareness in regards to the appalling state of humanity, only then the people might actually start caring enough to think it worthy of finding a practical solution.

If the rulers of the world sincerely cared about the people whom they rule, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago and only then we might have had the opportunity to evolve into a more intelligent and human-like race who valued consciousness and awareness in regards to topics of relevance.

All of our leaders have consistantly failed us all on so many levels yet most people cannot see it because the system has them completey bluffed. Its no accident that society is set up in such a way. Its been designed to make a minority rich at the cost of countless human lives and for everybody else to simply accept it. A world in which the most basic of human rights should be regarded as a luxury that only a minority can afford is a world that is driven and manipulated by the most undesirabe and self-destructive traits that humanty is already burdened with.

I take my hat off and I stand in awe at the accomplishment of the owners of this planet. Those evil fucks are ingenious.