Thread: Bullying...a new growing problem?

things have gotten worst but when you factor in the re-birth of social darwinism which is an integral part of the neo-liberal agenda it makes sense.

the US is very id based and when you have a society of adults behaving like children what does one expect the child to act like?

Im just wondering if intervention does more harm than good. Teach a man to fish....or in this case, teach a kid to stand up for himself and you help him adjust to adult situations.

Youre on point wih that darwin reference. All this does is ensure that a bunch of kids make it through life when they clearly need to be atomic wedgied into oblivion.

Also, im not talking about a child with a disability. Id be the first one to intervene if a disabled child was being slapped around. And no, being fat is not a disability. Teasing a fat kid is just motivation to lose weight imo

we are raising a nation of pussy's, I mean they banned doge ball...

Originally Posted by LAM

we are raising a nation of pussy's, I mean they banned doge ball...

I was going to say the thing. Kids are being raised as lil pussies who can't handle their own problems

Originally Posted by SFW

At least dr. Jew thinks so. Accordng to him, its out of control and adults need to step in. Doesnt this undermine social hierarchy, social development, problem solving etc? And since when is this a new problem?

Why cant these little dicks stand up for themselves and fight? So what happens down the road when timmy (20 years down the road) gets cut in front of at the movies? Does he go and tell an adult or sum10? does he wet himself in hopes the badman goes away? Coping with a bully is just a life lesson.

Part of the problem is the adults. When little Timmy who's been getting stomped every day by the school bully finally decides he's had enough and rips the bully a new asshole Timmy is the one that is punished. Punished because he fought back. People want kids to stand up for themselves and deal with bullies because it's part of growing up but when they do take care of the problem they get told they are in the wrong for standing up for themselves. That is where the issue is.

There is all this idiotic reasoning that this nation is breeding a bunch of pussies too lazy to stand up for themselves. That isn't the case. They are essentially getting told that if they fight back higher authority is just going to put them back in their place of getting pushed around. Pussies aren't being bred, they are being made.

Just like the failing government school education system, this bullying/pussification problem primarily falls back on shit bag parents who refuse to take personal responsibility in their own lives.

Out of the 10's of millions of Americans who have walked away from their mortgage because they were upside down or lost their job but demand unemployment extensions because they are too good to take the abundant jobs available at McDonald's, Walmart and Lowes, how many of these parents do you think are raising quality children who will not only stand for themselves to a bully but who will also go through their adult life and stand up to adversity without crying for the government to give them a handout?

I say not too many.

This thread is full of win.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Just like the failing government school education system, this bullying/pussification problem primarily falls back on shit bag parents who refuse to take personal responsibility in their own lives.

Out of the 10's of millions of Americans who have walked away from their mortgage because they were upside down or lost their job but demand unemployment extensions because they are too good to take the abundant jobs available at McDonald's, Walmart and Lowes, how many of these parents do you think are raising quality children who will not only stand for themselves to a bully but who will also go through their adult life and stand up to adversity without crying for the government to give them a handout?

I say not too many.

the majority of home owners that walked away were babyboomers and they hold the majority of the high paying jobs in the middle class. there is no financial recovery when you go from making $60-68K a year w/ full bennies to $8-$14/hr ($17K-$29k annually) w/ no bennies.

americans work more hours a week than just about any other country. in defense of some parents many are to busy working to provide to actually raise their children properly especially if they work for a company that is publicly traded. children model not only after the parents but off their peers, tv, etc.

although I have seen many a babyboomers not do the best job raising their children in terms of teaching them fiscal responsibility etc. as they hold the majority of the revolving debt in the country.

Originally Posted by LAM

the majority of home owners that walked away were babyboomers and they hold the majority of the high paying jobs in the middle class. there is no financial recovery when you go from making $60-68K a year w/ full bennies to $8-$14/hr ($17K-$29k annually) w/ no bennies.

americans work more hours a week than just about any other country. in defense of some parents many are to busy working to provide to actually raise their children properly especially if they work for a company that is publicly traded. children model not only after the parents but off their peers, tv, etc.

although I have seen many a babyboomers not do the best job raising their children in terms of teaching them fiscal responsibility etc. as they hold the majority of the revolving debt in the country.

Moral of this story and the future of this country: The Baby Boomers will get theirs and the rest of us can fuck off.

it was economic policy in the 80's that started the demise of the middle class it was not the boomers fault. they started the work life at a time after WWII when there were high unionization rates in the US and wages increased as productivity increased but those days are over. this is the same reason why SS funding is decreasing it's all about wages. this is the same reason why home values are going to continue to fall as less and less workers are able to truly afford home ownership, housing demand will increase from this and when the last wave of boomers start to unload property to fund their retirements.

FRB Atlanta
Unions and the Wage-Productivity Gap
http://www.frbatlanta.org/filelegacydocs/ACF98.pdf

^^^^And how many of those greedy unions watched their companies go into bankruptcy and/or completely fail because of their over-paid wages, outrageous benefits and ridiculously high pensions?

The steel industry
GM
Chrysler
Almost Ford
Practically every legacy airline

I'm sure there's a ton more.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

^^^^And how many of those greedy unions watched their companies go into bankruptcy and/or completely fail because of their over-paid wages, outrageous benefits and ridiculously high pensions?

The steel industry
GM
Chrysler
Almost Ford
Practically every legacy airline

I'm sure there's a ton more.

there's a major flaw with your assessment of which there is no data supporting such. the labor unions in the US were drastically reduced in the mid 80's those company's ran into problems because they could not compete with foreign small car manufactures and many of their products were pure crap...why do you think there are quotas on how many foreign cars can come into the US?

During the seventies and eighties the US steel industry received trade protection. However, these rents were not used to improve competitiveness. Instead, they were reflected in higher wages and a greater share of profits invested in sectors not related to steel. Moreover, the steel industry failed to adopt technological innovations on a timely basis and was displaced by the minimills and Chinese steel manufactures.

Originally Posted by LAM

there's a major flaw with your assessment of which there is no data supporting such. the labor unions in the US were drastically reduced in the mid 80's those company's ran into problems because they could not compete with foreign small car manufactures and many of their products were pure crap...why do you think there are quotas on how many foreign cars can come into the US?

During the seventies and eighties the US steel industry received trade protection. However, these rents were not used to improve competitiveness. Instead, they were reflected in higher wages and a greater share of profits invested in sectors not related to steel. Moreover, the steel industry failed to adopt technological innovations on a timely basis and was displaced by the minimills and Chinese steel manufactures.

Ok then lets move into the modern era. So riddle me why the heavily unionized airline industry, which is not only protected from foreign competition but in many cases from domestic competition, has overwhelmingly failed/bankrupted and labor/pension costs are always cited and severely adjusted post bankruptcy?

If I'm wrong, explain how Delta Airlines could stay in business paying forklift drivers with 10 years experience $60K/yr plus primo benefits and pension to go with it and how a senior 767 capt can make $330K/yr working 7 days per month then receive a $90K/year pension after he retires? Which economic model justifies overpaying these union employees?

Originally Posted by LAM

we are raising a nation of pussy's, I mean they banned doge ball...

This shit, right here.

In the 50s, a .22 was a toy you'd give a kid. Science kits had acids strong enough to etch metals. Now, if the toy doesn't have all rounded edges, it's considered unsafe.

People treat children like irresponsible morons and they're surprised that the children act like irresponsible morons. I treat my children like responsible individuals, since that's how I want them to grow up.

Originally Posted by DOMS

This shit, right here.

In the 50s, a .22 was a toy you'd give a kid. Science kits had acids strong enough to etch metals. Now, if the toy doesn't have all rounded edges, it's considered unsafe.

People treat children like irresponsible morons and they're surprised that the children act like irresponsible morons. I treat my children like responsible individuals, since that's how I want them to grow up.

When I was a freshman in HS (1990), you could keep your shotgun in your truck if you were 18.

Originally Posted by SFW

At least dr. Jew thinks so. Accordng to him, its out of control and adults need to step in. Doesnt this undermine social hierarchy, social development, problem solving etc? And since when is this a new problem?

Why cant these little dicks stand up for themselves and fight? So what happens down the road when timmy (20 years down the road) gets cut in front of at the movies? Does he go and tell an adult or sum10? does he wet himself in hopes the badman goes away? Coping with a bully is just a life lesson.

I was going to post something like this they got this antibulling shit on my
FB..why are people raising such weak kids ?What has happen in schools and at home?going to school i didn't knowone person that killed themselfs from bulling?I just don't get it

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Ok then lets move into the modern era. So riddle me why the heavily unionized airline industry, which is not only protected from foreign competition but in many cases from domestic competition, has overwhelmingly failed/bankrupted and labor/pension costs are always cited and severely adjusted post bankruptcy?

If I'm wrong, explain how Delta Airlines could stay in business paying forklift drivers with 10 years experience $60K/yr plus primo benefits and pension to go with it and how a senior 767 capt can make $330K/yr working 7 days per month then receive a $90K/year pension after he retires? Which economic model justifies overpaying these union employees?

Just look at the NJ casinosunions

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

how a senior 767 capt can make $330K/yr working 7 days per month then receive a $90K/year pension after he retires? Which economic model justifies overpaying these union employees?

Airline pilots are no longer paid that much.

But about the bullying - it's true, the world as a whole is becoming much more sensitive to violence as the world becomes a more peaceful place (contrary to popular opinion, the world is becoming a more peaceful place). There's a vast outcry when one nation invades another nowadays, while it becomes more acceptable the farther you go back in time.
There's a really interesting book out by Steven Pinker called "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined." It just came out and I've heard great things about it from friends who've read it. I'd highly recommend it if you're looking for a deep discussion of why we're becoming so sensitive to violence and how it is that we're entering the most peaceful time in our species' existence. It's not pushing a political agenda of any kind, and it's by a professor who's interested in how human thought processes work, backed up with plenty of data.

i dont think its a growing problem i think people are such babies about everything that bulllying is blwon way out or proportion. also back in the day kids used to bang it out for a few minutes and problems where solved. now if u fight u get suspended possibly epelled the parents press charges u get actions taken out against you or the loser is such a bitch he takes his dads gun and shoots you. thats why bullying is a "growing" problem

A post I wrote:

So many of you talk about bullying in school as if it's a bad thing.

Bullying is how the world works. It happens in school, in family amongst siblings, amongst older friends, at work, and in adult relationships. It varies in intensity from pushing to get your way to physical confrontation.

The real problem is the "no bully" shit that adults are foisting on children these days. It teaches them how not to cope with the intimidation of others.

Look at Casey. He stood up for himself. And he's been told by those he looks up to that he did the right thing to stand up for himself. How do you think he'll react the next time someone in school tries to bully him? Or later in his life while he's at work and a co-worker tries to bully him into taking on work that isn't his responsibility?

The alternative? That he was in a "no bully" school where he pissed himself and ran to the nearest teacher to "save" him. What would that teach him? To run to some else, cry, and hope you get what you want?

The idea that no one should ever be offended or have to stand up for themselves is pure bullshit.

Originally Posted by DOMS

A post I wrote:

So many of you talk about bullying in school as if it's a bad thing.

Bullying is how the world works. It happens in school, in family amongst siblings, amongst older friends, at work, and in adult relationships. It varies in intensity from pushing to get your way to physical confrontation.

The real problem is the "no bully" shit that adults are foisting on children these days. It teaches them how not to cope with the intimidation of others.

Look at Casey. He stood up for himself. And he's been told by those he looks up to that he did the right thing to stand up for himself. How do you think he'll react the next time someone in school tries to bully him? Or later in his life while he's at work and a co-worker tries to bully him into taking on work that isn't his responsibility?

The alternative? That he was in a "no bully" school where he pissed himself and ran to the nearest teacher to "save" him. What would that teach him? To run to some else, cry, and hope you get what you want?

The idea that no one should ever be offended or have to stand up for themselves is pure bullshit.

I agree that kids should stand up for themselves (heck, that's what most of us here did I imagine), but sometimes kids can't. What if the bully is the biggest kid in the grade and he's been doing martial arts? No other kid is going to stop him from picking on the loner kids. In that case, they do have to go the teacher.

Originally Posted by squigader

I agree that kids should stand up for themselves (heck, that's what most of us here did I imagine), but sometimes kids can't. What if the bully is the biggest kid in the grade and he's been doing martial arts? No other kid is going to stop him from picking on the loner kids. In that case, they do have to go the teacher.

in that case u call on and older brother or older friend. on way or another its got to stop. but i agree. theirs a difference between snitching and just asking for help. im not scared to admit ive had time where ive had to go to an authoruity fogire for help

Originally Posted by squigader

I agree that kids should stand up for themselves (heck, that's what most of us here did I imagine), but sometimes kids can't. What if the bully is the biggest kid in the grade and he's been doing martial arts? No other kid is going to stop him from picking on the loner kids. In that case, they do have to go the teacher.

That's when the student chooses to tell the teacher and the bully gets a reasonable punishment. By "reasonable", I mean a talking to or detention. You know, like it's was up until the the late 90s.

Originally Posted by sofargone561

in that case u call on and older brother or older friend. on way or another its got to stop. but i agree. theirs a difference between snitching and just asking for help. im not scared to admit ive had time where ive had to go to an authoruity fogire for help

I think someone is bullying your grammar right now.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I think someone is bullying your grammar right now.

omg not the grammer thing again

Originally Posted by sofargone561

omg not the grammer thing again

I'll keep bullying you until you do it right!

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'll keep bullying you until you do it right!