Gun debate: Liberal vs. Conservative

ALBOB · 01-24-2003, 10:05 AM

The Difference Between The Liberal and Conservative "Debate"
on gun control

Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

__________________________________________________ ________
Liberal Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his
knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.
__________________________________________________ _________

Conservative Answer:
BANG!
__________________________________________________ _________

Texan's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click...
(sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)
Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving,
what do you kids think?"
Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy!"

Rob_NC · 01-24-2003, 10:24 AM

I'm consevative all the way and the law would be on my side.

**I Are Baboon** · 01-24-2003, 10:29 AM

BANG BANG YOU'RE DEAD.

Fade · 01-24-2003, 10:29 AM

How did you know the Texan answer?

Yes, first time I shot a gun I was 4 years old. I grew up with a loaded fully auto machine gun in my parents closet and a loaded sawed off riot shot gun by the front door. Loaded pistols could be found in different drawers around the house.

Just try to break in to my house.

**I Are Baboon** · 01-24-2003, 10:31 AM

I used to be anti-gun, but I think my opinion of that is changing. I seem to be more pro gun control than I am anti-gun. There is a big difference between the two.

Fade · 01-24-2003, 10:35 AM

Yup I'd rather see people support gun control rather than the anti-gun way of thinking.

Anti-gun just isn't a good thing. It would keep good people from being able to arm themselves where as the criminals would still get ahold of them some how.

**I Are Baboon** · 01-24-2003, 10:41 AM

Interestingly enough, it is message boards like this that have swayed my opinion (politicians and the media were unable to convince me). I am starting to believe that responsible people can own guns while posing little or no risk to the community.

cornfed · 01-24-2003, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ALBOB
Texan's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click...
(sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)
Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving,
what do you kids think?"
Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy!"

Damn straight

butterfly · 01-24-2003, 10:46 AM

I don't care what you call it, I just want to be able to protect myself and family.

I think I would have shot the guy in the shoulder. Then if he still tried to come after me I'd shoot to kill.

Tboy · 01-24-2003, 11:01 AM

Quote:

I am starting to believe that responsible people can own guns while posing little or no risk to the community.

Well, well, well...

All us gun nuts are not REALLY nuts.

Pianomahnn · 01-24-2003, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
I used to be anti-gun, but I think my opinion of that is changing. I seem to be more pro gun control than I am anti-gun. There is a big difference between the two.

I'd like to know the big difference.

I see a slight difference, but not a big one.

Gun Control only applies to law abiding citizens. It's a good idea to make them have gun locks while the bad dudes are rollin' up alongside without them. /sarcasm

Max. Q · 01-24-2003, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ALBOB
a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities.

First of all, I wouldn't be holding a Glock...HK for me

...running towards the direction of my family and I, wielding a knife and screaming, that's enough justification for me to shoot.

cornfed · 01-24-2003, 11:17 AM

Sig .40 for me

mmafiter · 01-24-2003, 11:23 AM

Boom! He'd be shot.

ALBOB · 01-24-2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Are Baboon I seem to be more pro gun control than I am anti-gun. There is a big difference between the two.

Unfortunately there's NOT a big difference between the two in most politician's minds. The catch-phrase used to be "reasonable gun control". That meant legislation to keep guns out of the hands of convicted criminals, mentally unstable individuals, etc. Now it's morphed into NOBODY SHOULD HAVE GUNS.

cornfed · 01-24-2003, 11:30 AM

Edit:Texan's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click...
(sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)
Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving,
what do you kids think?"
Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy, but he may still pose a threat!"
(family in unison pull out their respective pieces and open fire)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
(sounds of 4 clips being ejected and fresh clips installed)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Dad: good eye, Billy... and good steady hand Susie... And hon, Damn fine job.

**I Are Baboon** · 01-24-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ALBOB
Unfortunately there's NOT a big difference between the two in most politician's minds.

Well, IMO there is a big difference by definition. It seems to me that "gun control" means laws, background checks, training, etc, while "anti-gun" means no guns for anyone, regardless of what the gun's purpose will be (hunting, protection, etc).

Rusty · 01-24-2003, 11:42 AM

There is no question.......I would double tap him in the chest.....and maintain cover till the police arrived.....

ALBOB · 01-24-2003, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Are Baboon It seems to me that "gun control" means laws, background checks, training, etc,

The one thing I'd add to that list, and the thing most every law abiding gun owner would also add is ENFORCEMENT. You can't possibly count the number of gun control laws already on the books but almost none of them get enforced. The anti's keep touting the effectiveness of the Brady Law in that it's kept umpteen thousand guns out of the hands of vicious criminals. BULLSHIT In the entire time Brady has been a law 98% of these vicious criminals have later been identified as mis-hits, they were actually honest citizens that had been mis-identified. Now for the BIG question. Since Brady is a Federal law and it's a Federal felony to attempt to purchase a firearm illegally under Brady that means the other 2% of the identified persons are in jail, right? WRONG! There hasn't been a single conviction under the Brady law in the entire country since it's signing. Not only hasn't there been a single conviction, there haven't even been any trials under Brady. Why? Damn good question. It all gets back to what I said, ENFORCEMENT

Rob_NC · 01-24-2003, 12:58 PM

I feel I must clarify my answer. I'm conservative in the fact that it's a crime to waste good ammo when one, well placed shot will do.

**Prince** · 01-24-2003, 01:47 PM

Rob_NC · 01-24-2003, 03:00 PM

using a hammer just means you have to get too close to the idiot to use it.

**Prince** · 01-24-2003, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rob_NC
using a hammer just means you have to get too close to the idiot to use it.

that is me wacking Albob with a hammer!

Rob_NC · 01-24-2003, 03:17 PM

I don't think that's advisable.

**Prince** · 01-24-2003, 03:19 PM

no, but necessary.

ALBOB · 01-24-2003, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
that is me wacking Albob with a hammer!

Thank you sir, may I have another?

(Why are you whacking me with a hammer?)

**Prince** · 01-24-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ALBOB
Thank you sir, may I have another?

(Why are you whacking me with a hammer?)

I don't know, you just deserve it!

01-24-2003, 10:05 AM	#1
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,177	Gun debate: Liberal vs. Conservative The Difference Between The Liberal and Conservative "Debate" on gun control Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? __________________________________________________ ________ Liberal Answer: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. __________________________________________________ _________ Conservative Answer: BANG! __________________________________________________ _________ Texan's Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed) Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?" Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..." BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy!"
	Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

01-24-2003, 10:24 AM	#2
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	I'm consevative all the way and the law would be on my side.
	Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

01-24-2003, 10:46 AM	#9
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	I don't care what you call it, I just want to be able to protect myself and family. I think I would have shot the guy in the shoulder. Then if he still tried to come after me I'd shoot to kill.
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01-24-2003, 11:17 AM	#13
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Sig .40 for me
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-24-2003, 11:30 AM	#16
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Edit:Texan's Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed) Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?" Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..." BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy, but he may still pose a threat!" (family in unison pull out their respective pieces and open fire) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! (sounds of 4 clips being ejected and fresh clips installed) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Dad: good eye, Billy... and good steady hand Susie... And hon, Damn fine job.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

01-24-2003, 10:29 AM	#3
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,008 Photos: 10	BANG BANG YOU'RE DEAD.

01-24-2003, 10:29 AM	#4
Fade I'm the daddy Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 3,007 Photos: 5	How did you know the Texan answer? Yes, first time I shot a gun I was 4 years old. I grew up with a loaded fully auto machine gun in my parents closet and a loaded sawed off riot shot gun by the front door. Loaded pistols could be found in different drawers around the house. Just try to break in to my house.

01-24-2003, 10:31 AM	#5
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,008 Photos: 10	I used to be anti-gun, but I think my opinion of that is changing. I seem to be more pro gun control than I am anti-gun. There is a big difference between the two.

01-24-2003, 10:35 AM	#6
Fade I'm the daddy Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 3,007 Photos: 5	Yup I'd rather see people support gun control rather than the anti-gun way of thinking. Anti-gun just isn't a good thing. It would keep good people from being able to arm themselves where as the criminals would still get ahold of them some how.

01-24-2003, 10:41 AM	#7
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,008 Photos: 10	Interestingly enough, it is message boards like this that have swayed my opinion (politicians and the media were unable to convince me). I am starting to believe that responsible people can own guns while posing little or no risk to the community.

01-24-2003, 11:23 AM	#14
mmafiter Red Rocket! Red Rocket! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Do you EVEN FUQQING care? Posts: 2,020	Boom! He'd be shot.

01-24-2003, 11:42 AM	#18
Rusty FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On my Harley Posts: 4,469 Photos: 3	There is no question.......I would double tap him in the chest.....and maintain cover till the police arrived.....
	~RUSTY~

01-24-2003, 12:58 PM	#20
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	I feel I must clarify my answer. I'm conservative in the fact that it's a crime to waste good ammo when one, well placed shot will do.
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01-24-2003, 01:47 PM	#21
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01-24-2003, 03:00 PM	#22
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	using a hammer just means you have to get too close to the idiot to use it.
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01-24-2003, 03:17 PM	#24
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	I don't think that's advisable.
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01-24-2003, 03:19 PM	#25
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,995 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	no, but necessary.
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