Thread: Does prayer have any effect?

Originally Posted by Thee_One

A thrown together internet movie changed your life that much?

Wow.


Maybe you guys should actually try reading some of the texts which the religions you are disputing are actually based upon.

I'm not saying go read a bible and believe everything in there.

However, every text describing human experience has some truth in it.

Read between the lines.

If that movie was "thrown together" then there has never been a more perfect thrown together movie I've seen. and yes I know the bible isn't literal. But what you're failing to understand is that ALOT of people take the bible literally and believe it should be taken literal Therefore you are the exception. If we are using the bible as something you should base lessons off of then yes that is perfectly fine. But if we are trying to use it to prove those events as "truthful" then that is nothing short of hilarious. Can you also explain to me why the church feels the need to collect my money every sunday to build a bigger church than the one down the street? Is it a race?

Originally Posted by Thee_One

You can't pray for someone to get better.

You can only pray, that they will have the insight necessary to Will themselves to be better.

So, we definitely agree then. This is just semantics then.

Originally Posted by Kwabby6

If that movie was "thrown together" then there has never been a more perfect thrown together movie I've seen. and yes I know the bible isn't literal. But what you're failing to understand is that ALOT of people take the bible literally and believe it should be taken literal Therefore you are the exception. If we are using the bible as something you should base lessons off of then yes that is perfectly fine. But if we are trying to use it to prove those events as "truthful" then that is nothing short of hilarious. Can you also explain to me why the church feels the need to collect my money every sunday to build a bigger church than the one down the street? Is it a race?

If we based our morality off of the bible, the world would be a pretty atrocious place.

Slavery, incest, torture and murder would be accepted.

Luckily, modern day Christians cherry pick scripture that is moral, and disregard all the awful stuff.

An example:
Leviticus 20:21
If a man lies w a man as he does a woman, they shall be put to death, their blood shall be spilled.

Originally Posted by Thee_One

........You were saying?

You're definitely going to hell for this, every good Christian knows that fossils were put here by the devil to make us question the bible.

at least we know what happened to the unicorns

Originally Posted by Kwabby6

If that movie was "thrown together" then there has never been a more perfect thrown together movie I've seen. and yes I know the bible isn't literal. But what you're failing to understand is that ALOT of people take the bible literally and believe it should be taken literal Therefore you are the exception. If we are using the bible as something you should base lessons off of then yes that is perfectly fine. But if we are trying to use it to prove those events as "truthful" then that is nothing short of hilarious. Can you also explain to me why the church feels the need to collect my money every sunday to build a bigger church than the one down the street? Is it a race?

Actually, I did see the movie years ago and thought it was pretty convincing.

My point is, don't stop there. Learn everything you can. Discover the origin of current human thought.


They collect money because they are a business.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

If we based our morality off of the bible, the world would be a pretty atrocious place.

Slavery, incest, torture and murder would be accepted.

Luckily, modern day Christians cherry pick scripture that is moral, and disregard all the awful stuff.

An example:
Leviticus 20:21
If a man lies w a man as he does a woman, they shall be put to death, their blood shall be spilled.

You got the wrong one I think:



New International Version (©1984)
"'If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.New Living Translation (©2007)
"If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity. He has violated his brother, and the guilty couple will remain childless.
English Standard Version (©2001)
If a man takes his brother’s wife, it is impurity. He has uncovered his brother’s nakedness; they shall be childless.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They will be childless.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Whoever marries his brother's wife violates his brother's marriage and does an unclean thing. That man and woman will have no children.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
American King James Version
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
American Standard Version
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is impurity: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
Bible in Basic English
And if a man takes his brother's wife, it is an unclean act; he has put shame on his brother; they will have no children.
Douay-Rheims Bible
He that marrieth his brother's wife, doth an unlawful thing, he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness: they shall be without children.
Darby Bible Translation
And if a man take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness: they shall be childless.
English Revised Version
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is impurity: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
Webster's Bible Translation
And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
World English Bible
"'If a man takes his brother's wife, it is an impurity: he has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
Young's Literal Translation
And a man who taketh his brother's wife -- it is impurity; the nakedness of his brother he hath uncovered; childless they are.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

You're definitely going to hell for this, every good Christian knows that fossils were put here by the devil to make us question the bible.

and God forgot to tell young earthers that we don't friggin use carbon dating to date the earth, we use uranium radiometric dating or potassium to argon or rubidium to strontium to date the earth in the billions.....( my beef since I used to be a analyitcal chemist)

Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

and God forgot to tell young earthers that we don't friggin use carbon dating to date the earth, we use uranium radiometric dating or potassium to argon or rubidium to strontium to date the earth in the billions.....( my beef since I used to be a analyitcal chemist)

They love to focus on the carbon dating! I hear about it all the time. Same for petrified wood.

Originally Posted by Thee_One

Actually, I did see the movie years ago and thought it was pretty convincing.

My point is, don't stop there. Learn everything you can. Discover the origin of current human thought.


They collect money because they are a business.

...This is my point exactly in what I try to do. This alone brought me to question religion in the first place. I gotta say tho you're pretty confusing. Are you just playing devil's advocate? cause you seem to be going back and forth contradicting alot of your statements. Are you trying to seperate religion from the church? cause alot of christians would say they go hand in hand. You also seem to be trying to seperate the pope from the entire religion in general and also parts of the bible. thats the funny thing about these "so called christians" these days (not referring to you but in general). they like to pick parts of the bible here and there but like ex said not others. I think its either your fully christian or not. Not "im gonna follow this psalm but not that one cause I dont agree with it." Alot of christians I know dont follow that shit down to the T as im sure they are supposed to. They wanna sleep around during the week then go to church and "wash away their sins" on sunday. it doesn't work like that. I see it that most christians wanna just be a part of it so they can get into this so called heaven. in summarization, they are just looking for a reward out of it but not looking at its core principles. agree or disagree?

Originally Posted by Thee_One

They collect money because they are a business.

Also if this is what is true, then something is seriously flawed when the church has become a business.

Originally Posted by Kwabby6

...This is my point exactly in what I try to do. This alone brought me to question religion in the first place. I gotta say tho you're pretty confusing. Are you just playing devil's advocate? cause you seem to be going back and forth contradicting alot of your statements. Are you trying to seperate religion from the church? cause alot of christians would say they go hand in hand. You also seem to be trying to seperate the pope from the entire religion in general and also parts of the bible. thats the funny thing about these "so called christians" these days (not referring to you but in general). they like to pick parts of the bible here and there but like ex said not others. I think its either your fully christian or not. Not "im gonna follow this psalm but not that one cause I dont agree with it." Alot of christians I know dont follow that shit down to the T as im sure they are supposed to. They wanna sleep around during the week then go to church and "wash away their sins" on sunday. it doesn't work like that. I see it that most christians wanna just be a part of it so they can get into this so called heaven. in summarization, they are just looking for a reward out of it but not looking at its core principles. agree or disagree?

I think he just enjoys being contrary

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

So, you think scientific studies are pointless? Trying to answer questions about our world is pointless?
When you get cancer, tell the docs that you don't need treatment cause "we can convince our minds of anything."

I think the brain is really just that powerful, but there are ranges to which someone has belief. If that belief was to the furthest extent, I think they could easily slow or reverse their cancer, afterall it is just abnormal cell evolution.

I have the expectation that I will have cancer one day, no way in hell am I going to be probed and treated for it though. I am completely content with my body following the cycle of life.

I have said it before, and I will continue to say it.. when you fuck with the natural cycle of life, there is always consequences. We are making ourselves sick with the changes we make to our lives, everything seen as good today eventually turns out to have negative side effects. Probe away, just don't do it anywhere near me.

I don't care what you say. God hears and answers prayers.

Originally Posted by r0ck0

I don't care what you say. God hears and answers prayers.

Denial of scientific findings are common among the religious. Thanks for confirming your inability to be objective because of faith.

Originally Posted by Kwabby6

...This is my point exactly in what I try to do. This alone brought me to question religion in the first place. I gotta say tho you're pretty confusing. Are you just playing devil's advocate? cause you seem to be going back and forth contradicting alot of your statements. Are you trying to seperate religion from the church? cause alot of christians would say they go hand in hand. You also seem to be trying to seperate the pope from the entire religion in general and also parts of the bible. thats the funny thing about these "so called christians" these days (not referring to you but in general). they like to pick parts of the bible here and there but like ex said not others. I think its either your fully christian or not. Not "im gonna follow this psalm but not that one cause I dont agree with it." Alot of christians I know dont follow that shit down to the T as im sure they are supposed to. They wanna sleep around during the week then go to church and "wash away their sins" on sunday. it doesn't work like that. I see it that most christians wanna just be a part of it so they can get into this so called heaven. in summarization, they are just looking for a reward out of it but not looking at its core principles. agree or disagree?

Actually all I'm saying is very simple.

Texts have survived around the world, where people imprinted their knowledge.

Some of these are "religious" documents.

The bible is just one example.
There's a lot of fluff and crap in there, but a lot of it is good sense.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Denial of scientific findings are common among the religious. Thanks for confirming your inability to be objective because of faith.

If you think that God doesn't use science you are a fool. Where do you think that science came from? Darwin?