Thread: Arizona for the win.. again

Something can only be divisive if you want to be divided.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Original Article

"A state law adopted this year aims to outlaw divisive ethnic studies"

Good.

There isn't a "Caucasian Studies" class covering all the cool shit we've done. If someone tried, it'd be labeled racist.

"But oh, no! If it's not an ethnic studies class, then it's always about White people, already!", you plaintively wail...because you're a dumb shit.

You're a dumb shit for thinking so due to two reasons:

1) If one race can do it and another can't, it's racist.

2) If I went to Mexico, is it my right to demand a Caucasian Studies class since I'm in the minority there? Of course not, because that'd be stupid.

Arizona is the model that all other states should be based on.

I completely agree, I think those classes actually further separate different races sometimes.

I also don't agree with having a black history month because if I asked why isn't there a "white history month?" I'd probably be labeled a racist.

Although, I would like to add that I think we should stick with our core learning classes and gym in school and have shit like this in a volunteer or privatized setting outside of the school day. We suck enough at Math and Science to make things like this class generally a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

I completely agree, I think those classes actually further separate different races sometimes.

I also don't agree with having a black history month because if I asked why isn't there a "white history month?" I'd probably be labeled a racist.

I'll refer you to this post.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Although, I would like to add that I think we should stick with our core learning classes and gym in school and have shit like this in a volunteer or privatized setting outside of the school day. We suck enough at Math and Science to make things like this class generally a waste of time.

And a waste of time they are. It's also not like we have the money to waste on them.

Originally Posted by DOMS

And a waste of time they are. It's also not like we have the money to waste on them.

In reality I don't really feel it's a race issue so much as it is the current environment we are in as a people. A moderate, intelligent voice doesn't get any attention, so the assholes on either extreme tend to get their voices heard.

I also believe there is plenty of reason to learn about other cultures but don't see how this needs to be done with specialized classes. When I was in high school I learned about African-American history as well as some Latin history as well, but I didn't have a specific class for it, it was weaved within the curriculum of my general history classes.

This everybody is a victim shit is getting pretty old, though.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

In reality I don't really feel it's a race issue so much as it is the current environment we are in as a people. A moderate, intelligent voice doesn't get any attention, so the assholes on either extreme tend to get their voices heard.

I also believe there is plenty of reason to learn about other cultures but don't see how this needs to be done with specialized classes. When I was in high school I learned about African-American history as well as some Latin history as well, but I didn't have a specific class for it, it was weaved within the curriculum of my general history classes.

Same here. I learned about others races in world cultures and history classes.

Hell, I've learned more about them after I left school doing my own research. I know more about Africa than most black Americans.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

This everybody is a victim shit is getting pretty old, though.

I heard that. But they're not going to let the race card that easily. Why give up a free ride where you can be inferior, yet reap the benefits of a successful person?

has SNOPES verified this?

This was a big buzz last year....Its too bad if the class has created a climate of ethnocentrism. There is nothing wrong with teaching multi cultural studies (I think its a great idea in principal) but if they pervert it into a "kill whitey" context, then it needs to be removed from the curriculum. I had to chuckle at the racist Ben Franklin comment in the article though...in reality most of our founding fathers would be considered raging racists from a modern perspective.

I made a point NOT to buy a house in Tucson school districts though (Vail is my current city of residence)...Tucson Unified School District is horrid. TUSD's reputation deterred me from buying home in Tucson city district. If they teach that program in Vail districts, something tells me it would be taught in proper spirit of education.

i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail

Cuz they stole it..

Just teach fucking history and leave out the white guilt/evil America bullshit. If I want my kids to know more about Hispanic-American culture, I'll just make them watch Cops every night.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

i learned everything i needed to know about races by being forced to live amongst others......that ruined it for me forever and i'm no longer tolerant....there's a reason the Irish are believed to have the Holy Grail

What does Monty Python have to do with this discussion?!?!

White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....

Originally Posted by maniclion

White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....

Great Post!

Originally Posted by maniclion

White history is most of American-History and European History. The rest is under World History and 20th century American History. Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....

MLK isn't an American.

What? You don't like that? It's not my idea. He's not American, he's African-American. Blacks aren't regular Americans...because they've said so.

We have become ninety-nine percent money mad. The method of living at home modestly and within our income, laying a little by systematically for the proverbial rainy day which is due to come, can almost be listed among the lost arts.”

Originally Posted by maniclion

Why they have to segregate Black History I Don't know I think guys like George Washinton Carver and Martin Luther King can stand just fine along side other great Americans. In my mind setting them in their own history is an insult to their merits....

Thomas Edison offered Carver 100K a year to come work for him back in the early 1900's but he turned down the offer. said he wanted to work in education vs the private sector

Originally Posted by LAM

Thomas Edison offered Carver 100K a year to come work for him back in the early 1900's but he turned down the offer. said he wanted to work in education vs the private sector

That was a lot of cabbage in those days. I can't imagine anyone turning down what was essentially a $1 million salary to work for a teacher's salary.

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

We have become ninety-nine percent money mad. The method of living at home modestly and within our income, laying a little by systematically for the proverbial rainy day which is due to come, can almost be listed among the lost arts.”

Speak for yourself.

Originally Posted by Thee_One

Speak for yourself.

what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend

Yea, and that's a stupid comment, and gross over-generalization.

PLENTY of people stretch their dollars, save money, don't buy nonsense.....

How can you say 300 million + americans overspend?

Most people I know do not do that.

Then again I'm from the south where people make use of what they got.

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

what i'm sayin is 99% of the people fuck up and over spend

there is no empirical data that support any such statements...

Originally Posted by Thee_One

Yea, and that's a stupid comment, and gross over-generalization.

PLENTY of people stretch their dollars, save money, don't buy nonsense.....

How can you say 300 million + americans overspend?

Most people I know do not do that.

Then again I'm from the south where people make use of what they got.

no it isn't how much money that you don't have will you and others spend this X-mas, most people can't just spend alittle.Oh when in doubt just go to the mall and see

Originally Posted by LAM

there is no empirical data that support any such statements...

just go to the mall.Its bush's fault anyway

fact is that people are spending just as foolishly today as they were 5, 10, 20 years ago.....using credit and spending too much of our disposable income (nobody really saves anymore because they rely too much on pensions and 401k instead)......