Thread: Ron Paul: Israel is none of our business

If we did stop supporting Israel, the Middle East would be a radioactive wasteland in less than two years.

Originally Posted by DOMS

If we did stop supporting Israel, the Middle East would be a radioactive wasteland in less than two years.

Is that a bad thing?

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is that a bad thing?

If I'm not out of here by then then HELL YES it is!!

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is that a bad thing?

Israel would die, too. So it's a win / loss.

Ron paul ron paul paul. Its a revolution bitches!

RP is right

the stance that Ron Paul holds on many issues are common sense but they are not reality based in the year 2011. the US continues to fund Israel which is a wealthy country compared to all of the surrounded arab states, as it also keeps them in check periodically. this means the US has a strong ally in the middle east and another country to sell weapons to. and by sell I mean give to them as the US taxpayers pay for them as the reports have shown that the top DOD contractors in the US don't pay squat for federal taxes anymore.

another reason why RP will never see the inside of 1600 PA Ave unless on a tour. I give him credit for constantly trying but he's beating a dead horse. I still find it hard to believe that he is a native of my home state in PA, because nobody there shares the same views as him I guess that's why he didn't make it in politics there.

I think the US 's support of Israel goes even deeper than just another country to sell weapons to. We have to remember that the majority of our leaders have been Christian. I don't believe there is a single Christian person that would want to see Muslims take over the Holy Land. It all comes down to religion and trying to fulfill the "prophesy."

Originally Posted by meow

I think the US 's support of Israel goes even deeper than just another country to sell weapons to. We have to remember that the majority of our leaders have been Christian. I don't believe there is a single Christian person that would want to see Muslims take over the Holy Land. It all comes down to religion and trying to fulfill the "prophesy."

Yeah, except this third crusade ain't working out too well for us. History class - the muslims were in charge of Jerusalem for over 1000 years, and there was a huge degree of diversity and lack of ethnic conflict within the city. We invaded to "restore" the holy land from them during the crusades and ended up butchering the population and losing it to them again.

It's not about religion, it's about having a military base and foothold in the middle east.

Originally Posted by DOMS

If we did stop supporting Israel, the Middle East would be a radioactive wasteland in less than two years.

Who gives a shit? lol maybe we should stop right now then. Stop wasting all this money on a bunch of desert and think about our own problems and economy instead of AIPAC.

Originally Posted by squigader

Who gives a shit? lol maybe we should stop right now then. Stop wasting all this money on a bunch of desert and think about our own problems and economy instead of AIPAC.

But I don't wanna!!!

I don't wanna!
I don't wanna!
I don't wanna!

I don't want a nuclear apocalypse. I want a zombie apocalypse, dammit!

Originally Posted by meow

I don't believe there is a single Christian person that would want to see Muslims take over the Holy Land.

I find it hard to believe that most of these leaders truly believe in God. how else could they rationalize killing millions of people over the years to spread democracy which we all know is nothing but the pre-cursor for capitalism since communists don't trade much. the US killed 5m in Korea alone just to prove a point, this doesn't sound like the actions of a God fearing nation.

Originally Posted by LAM

I find it hard to believe that most of these leaders truly believe in God. how else could they rationalize killing millions of people over the years to spread democracy which we all know is nothing but the pre-cursor for capitalism since communists don't trade much. the US killed 5m in Korea alone just to prove a point, this doesn't sound like the actions of a God fearing nation.

stupidity and ignorance runs wild in the religious folks in the US. People of every religion find scriptures to support killing others.

Originally Posted by LAM

I find it hard to believe that most of these leaders truly believe in God. how else could they rationalize killing millions of people over the years to spread democracy which we all know is nothing but the pre-cursor for capitalism since communists don't trade much. the US killed 5m in Korea alone just to prove a point, this doesn't sound like the actions of a God fearing nation.

Crusaders did it.. in the name of God too. The point im trying to make is that it all comes down to religion. Society is build upon religions. Most westerners fear Muslims because they are of different a religion. This country is build upon Christian beliefs so we are going to naturally want to oust Islam. Let's see if ill get anymore negs for this lol.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

stupidity and ignorance runs wild in the religious folks in the US. People of every religion find scriptures to support killing others.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by meow

Crusaders did it.. in the name of God too. The point im trying to make is that it all comes down to religion. Society is build upon religions. Most westerners fear Muslims because they are of different a religion. This country is build upon Christian beliefs so we are going to naturally want to oust Islam. Let's see if ill get anymore negs for this lol.

Except the US was founded by men who despised christianity. The christians just took over later. god wasn't even in the plegde of allegiance until the 1950's. It's a misconception that our founding fathers were christian.

Originally Posted by LAM

the stance that Ron Paul holds on many issues are common sense but they are not reality based in the year 2011. the US continues to fund Israel which is a wealthy country compared to all of the surrounded arab states, as it also keeps them in check periodically. this means the US has a strong ally in the middle east and another country to sell weapons to. and by sell I mean give to them as the US taxpayers pay for them as the reports have shown that the top DOD contractors in the US don't pay squat for federal taxes anymore.

another reason why RP will never see the inside of 1600 PA Ave unless on a tour. I give him credit for constantly trying but he's beating a dead horse. I still find it hard to believe that he is a native of my home state in PA, because nobody there shares the same views as him I guess that's why he didn't make it in politics there.

If my memory serves me correct, it was you that posted the "companies that don't pay taxes" article on IM...and I remember seeing that most of the defense contractors who are weapon systems providers, did indeed pay taxes. Why the contradiction?

agreed...the man is decades (maybe centuries) ahead of his time...and he has a couple ideas that are part of his platform that are just too far off in left field to be electable.

Originally Posted by meow

Crusaders did it.. in the name of God too. The point im trying to make is that it all comes down to religion. Society is build upon religions. Most westerners fear Muslims because they are of different a religion.

Right...

It has nothing to do with numerous terrorist attacks or stating their goal as destroying Western civilization. All of which is based in a life-style right out of the 500s AD.

It's only because they're different. Which is why so many American hate Buddhists and Shintoism.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Except the US was founded by men who despised christianity. The christians just took over later. god wasn't even in the plegde of allegiance until the 1950's. It's a misconception that our founding fathers were christian.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

If my memory serves me correct, it was you that posted the "companies that don't pay taxes" article on IM...and I remember seeing that most of the defense contractors who are weapon systems providers, did indeed pay taxes. Why the contradiction?

agreed...the man is decades (maybe centuries) ahead of his time...and he has a couple ideas that are part of his platform that are just too far off in left field to be electable.

some of them do pay federal taxes but they also get subsidized so it's pretty much a wash.

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Hav you ever read some if Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, or James Madison's writings on the topic? Madison is considered the father of the constitution.

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.* But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" ***John adams* -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816
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"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." -- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause.* Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated.* I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
**************************George washington* - letter to Edward Newenham, 1792


"I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of* pleasing the Deity." ***Ben franklin**** - Works, Vol. VII, p. 75
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Ron Paul has about as much chance of becoming president as I do of becoming pope. His ideas mostly amount to mental masturbation.

These are from James Madison:


"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." ***** -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774
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"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects."
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"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." * -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

Originally Posted by DOMS

Originally Posted by DOMS

Right...

It has nothing to do with numerous terrorist attacks or stating their goal as destroying Western civilization. All of which is based in a life-style right out of the 500s AD.

It's only because they're different. Which is why so many American hate Buddhists and Shintoism.

Well I would say that Christians are a bit more hmmmm "proactive' towards Islam because both religions are based on the same doctrine (one God etc.) Kind of like siblings fighting over who is more right.

Christians tend to be more passive towards other religion (besides islam) and only view them as being "barbaric" because it is not from the same doctrine.

Originally Posted by MDR

His ideas mostly amount to mental masturbation.

RP want's to abolish federal income taxes and fund the fed gov with tax receipts from excise taxes only. this accounts for 10% of federal revenue today....

they also babble on about free markets, which no longer exist. going back to gold, good luck with that. at what rate? how to stop gold hording? when the price of gold drops wages have to adjusted down, can't see large firms adjusted their profit margins down because of that, they surely haven't in the past 30 years...you can go on and on

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

If it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead and believe that.

I've argued this numerous times. I mean, it's not like the word God is all over various founding documents or anything. Or that the George Washington, the Father of the country, was deeply religious and wrote about it a lot.

But here, this looks really nice with the "owned" emoticon, and should make you feel ever better about yourself.