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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Pimpin View Post
    Find me a guy that will slash federal spending including significantly decreasing our future entitlement burden and he/she has my vote. This country is heading for bankruptcy, which will lead to some kind of middle class/peasant rebellion, so its better to begin fixing this bullshit now than 10 or 20 years from now when the Boomers totally drain the printing presses dry of ink.
    has no one heard of ron paul.

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    Well,just saw on news that obama is going on a 17 day vacation in hawaii.
    Whether you support him or not between him and his wife Michelle,they sure do no how to go away,have lavish parties,spend a shit load of money as the rest of the country goes down the fucking toilet. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitter420 View Post
    Well,just saw on news that obama is going on a 17 day vacation in hawaii.
    Whether you support him or not between him and his wife Michelle,they sure do no how to go away,have lavish parties,spend a shit load of money as the rest of the country goes down the fucking toilet. Just sayin.
    they have spent 60% less time on vacation than GWB, where you bitching then?
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Pimpin View Post
    Sure the liberal media got their great mulatto hope elected in 2008 but short of the liberal left, much of the electorate has noticed Obama hasn't done jack shit for the economy, unemployment and he is spending us in oblivion.

    The 90% of the media that are Democrats aren't going to be able to sway the vote enough for the moderates to vote for Obama. The Republicans are already not going to vote for him and the moderates are already against him, so I feel a liberal news media witch hunt really isn't going to sway the vote away from a good opposing candidate.
    show the legislation where all the "spending" is occurring? it's called a recession ya retard which was preceded by the worst economic expansion in over 50 years...good times

    entitlement spending isn't what's causing all the debt, it's a lack of tax collection and tax giveaway's to large firms which is at 1T a year....

    anybody that isn't blind or functionally retarded can see from the excel spreadsheet below where all the spending has occurred over the last couple of decades...

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy...12-TAB-5-4.xls
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    No,just bitchin about the 15 trillion in debt,some joke of a stimulus plan,record unemployment,a health reform bill that was jammed down our throat and the constant down talking of the USA to other countries.But at least he gets his golf in and has beat off rappers to the white house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitter420 View Post
    No,just bitchin about the 15 trillion in debt,some joke of a stimulus plan,record unemployment,a health reform bill that was jammed down our throat and the constant down talking of the USA to other countries.But at least he gets his golf in and has beat off rappers to the white house.
    the stimulus plan was not big enough as was stated by all the nobel prize winning economists in 2009, it relied far too much on tax cuts. at 800b spread out over 3 years it only amounts to a 2% stimulus on a 14T annual economy, peanuts...

    the majority of the "spending" is from a loss of tax revenue and increased spending on um-employment and food stamps...such horrible things

    health care rammed down throats you may want to look up reconciliation and how it's used in US politics and who uses it the most.

    and if you weren't another economic retard you would understand why the US economy gets worst after every recession since 1984, they are simply less jobs to go back to (mergers and acquisitions increase during recession recovery)..there are tons of studies on this topic

    along with the fact that small businesses can't obtain funding...they normally provide 70% of the jobs post recession recovery due to tight credit and a lack of desire to lend by the big banks. they can make more money gambling with depositors monies on wallstreet
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    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    look dude,you dont have to get so upset. Vote for the guy if you want. I just call it the way I see it.And guess what,I get more fucking vote obama mail because I am a union steamfitter.
    People want jobs,like the oil drilling(the left snuffed),the keystone pipeline(the left snuffed)
    even manufacturing(too many regulations,brought on by the left)so guess what?Overseas they go.
    And as far as the no job stimulis (solenra....still waiting for my solar panels) they wanted another..."because the economy was worse then the thought."Just print more money... so the dollar is worth even less.The chinese own all our debt and they are getting uneasy as our dollar goes down the tubes.But no big deal,the govt.will take care of me,food stamps,housing,health care,schooling.Fuck,I won't even have to get up in the morning.(except when my check comes in the mail)
    Don't take this the wrong way,but are you one of those "occupiers" proving your point in your l.l.bean tents,taking pics and texting with your iphone4 drinking a starbucks coffee while putting a stranglehold on the small businesses buy blocking their shops and putting cities even more in the "red" with all the bullshit overtime they have to pay cops and city workers to clean up there mess.

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    Who would veep ol newt? any speculation?

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    Perhaps Perry. He won't pick someone who's dropping in the polls because of baggage or scandals, like Cain. Probably someone who's polling well now, or someone who's fairly unknown. Bobby Jindal would be a good pick IMO.
    Obama/Ayers 2012!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitter420 View Post
    look dude,you dont have to get so upset. Vote for the guy if you want. I just call it the way I see it.And guess what,I get more fucking vote obama mail because I am a union steamfitter.
    People want jobs,like the oil drilling(the left snuffed),the keystone pipeline(the left snuffed)
    even manufacturing(too many regulations,brought on by the left)so guess what?Overseas they go.
    And as far as the no job stimulis (solenra....still waiting for my solar panels) they wanted another..."because the economy was worse then the thought."Just print more money... so the dollar is worth even less.The chinese own all our debt and they are getting uneasy as our dollar goes down the tubes.But no big deal,the govt.will take care of me,food stamps,housing,health care,schooling.Fuck,I won't even have to get up in the morning.(except when my check comes in the mail)
    Don't take this the wrong way,but are you one of those "occupiers" proving your point in your l.l.bean tents,taking pics and texting with your iphone4 drinking a starbucks coffee while putting a stranglehold on the small businesses buy blocking their shops and putting cities even more in the "red" with all the bullshit overtime they have to pay cops and city workers to clean up there mess.
    your problem is everything your know comes from main stream media...that's why you don't know shit. main stream media sources are "for profit company's" with the same leaders, CEO's and board members as the ones that have caused all the economic problems in the US.
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    they have spent 60% less time on vacation than GWB, where you bitching then?
    I guess it all depends on who you ask...

    Republicans_are_full_of_shit

    Democrats_are_full_of_shit

    Another factor to consider... the COST per vacation.
    My_fucking_tax_dollars_were_spent_on_what?!?!?

    I think it's a petty arguement all the way around when you consider the number of other "distractions" our president is faced with. I mean, seriously, how often has he taken the time to address such crucial issues like flirting with the fat chicks on "The View"? Who has time for vacations when you've got THAT kind of shit on your agenda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    It's too early to say who will be our next President.

    It's speculation.

    Newt is well read, and a good debater, IMO. - But so is Obama.

    Try to actually provide some knowledge of what you are posting, intest of you - sounding like an uneducated, 1st grader.

    You think obama is a good debater your way wrong there buddy . Obama sucks as a debater and needs his teleprompter to read his stuff. I cant beleive you said Obama is a good debater omg. Just wait until Newt has to debate Obama and Newt will make Obama cry on stage and look like a 1st grader. This is knowledge. Your Obama will not win re-election

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post
    You think obama is a good debater your way wrong there buddy . Obama sucks as a debater and needs his teleprompter to read his stuff. I cant beleive you said Obama is a good debater omg. Just wait until Newt has to debate Obama and Newt will make Obama cry on stage and look like a 1st grader. This is knowledge. Your Obama will not win re-election
    newt will never be POTUS...speakers of the house that get kicked out for ethics violations don't get elected to the highest office...you are delusional if you think the independent electorates are going to vote for him if he wins the GOP nomination.

    I still remember the speech that he gave on the house floor in '84 that was stricken from the record because he was going off on the democrats that weren't even there as the house was not in session...he got so busted on C-SPAN!
    I train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.

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    Enough said

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitter420 View Post
    No,just bitchin about the 15 trillion in debt,some joke of a stimulus plan,record unemployment.....
    I don't like Obama, but the national debt when GWB left office on Jan 20, 2009 was $10.4 million dollars.

    Yes, the stimulus I disagreed with - but there were 2 stimuli under GWB - remember?

    And record unemployment?

    It's not a record, and the foundation for it was laid over the past 4 decades.

    Read more; learn more.
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    Throw every stinking one of them out of office! No matter what political bend they have!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogsoldier View Post
    Throw every stinking one of them out of office! No matter what political bend they have!
    Agreed. We need to start over. No more lifetime politicians.

    If you were a buthcher, and slaughter house A is going to sell you beef 20% cheaper than slaughter house B, why, that would be a no brainer.

    Same difference with those lobbyists. I'll give you a lot of cash to vote my way, fuck the buthcer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post
    You think obama is a good debater your way wrong there buddy . Obama sucks as a debater and needs his teleprompter to read his stuff. I cant beleive you said Obama is a good debater omg. Just wait until Newt has to debate Obama and Newt will make Obama cry on stage and look like a 1st grader. This is knowledge. Your Obama will not win re-election
    Teleprompters are NOT allowed during debates. You're equating speeches in which many politicians read teleprompters instead of speeches written on paper.

    Dole used a teleprompter at the 1996 GOP Convention.

    Teleprompter is not the issue.

    Obama (IMO) does not a have a good record of doing much for the upcoming debate and Newt as a challenger will use his skills well.

    As for debates, does it really matter?

    Not one of the 7-8 serious problems have been acted upon in the last few decades.

    Will debates change anything?

    No.
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    will debates change anything are you kidding. When Newt wins the Republican nominee and its time for Newt and Barry debate you think debates wont mater. Newt will bring out so much knowlege so much historian stuff like I said wont make barry look good. Lets face it. Barry wont get half of the african american vote this time that = A LOSS Barry wont get the JEWISH vote this time thats = A LOSS just by those 2 he loses the presidency on jst those 2. Then if qwe have to get even further omg the REPUBLICANS are going to come ut like never before. The democrats and Liberals are so pissed at him they wont come out. Mark my words you will see such a huge turn around for a loss for barry it will make history

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    newt will never be POTUS...speakers of the house that get kicked out for ethics violations don't get elected to the highest office...you are delusional if you think the independent electorates are going to vote for him if he wins the GOP nomination.

    I still remember the speech that he gave on the house floor in '84 that was stricken from the record because he was going off on the democrats that weren't even there as the house was not in session...he got so busted on C-SPAN!

    LAM you have been spewing your shit since the dumb ass barry got elected. You can come up with your novel posts about this and that but you are a Liberal who is going to be so upset and I think you will get so emotional and cry because your boy wonder will lose. Newt will win and be our next president. You talk about logic and to be educational well he got charged for 1 thing and that was mostly made up but had to take that charge. If you think people will not vote for him when that happen in the 90's your completely out of your mind and I very truly mean that.What makes you dumb is Nobody in our country wants him in office anymore and you think he will win your wrong.But you can keep spewing your Libertal shit and make yourself feel better that you think he will win.We have a drown that Iraq has and the generals want it back and they suggested men on the ground to blow it up or air strikes to blow it up they want it destropyed but dumb ass your boy wonder said no. So let the chinese russians and god knows how many other countries get our most advanced technology but the boy wonder wont do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post
    will debates change anything are you kidding. When Newt wins the Republican nominee and its time for Newt and Barry debate you think debates wont mater. Newt will bring out so much knowlege so much historian stuff like I said wont make barry look good. Lets face it. Barry wont get half of the african american vote this time that = A LOSS Barry wont get the JEWISH vote this time thats = A LOSS just by those 2 he loses the presidency on jst those 2. Then if qwe have to get even further omg the REPUBLICANS are going to come ut like never before. The democrats and Liberals are so pissed at him they wont come out. Mark my words you will see such a huge turn around for a loss for barry it will make history
    History won't be mentioned in any potus debates because Americans don't follow nor know nothing about history.

    And what history? The history of Neo-Liberalism since WWII? They both won't touch that.

    Black and Jews? There are 5 million Jews in America, dispersed throughout. The state they actually are concentrated in are NY and FL.

    Doesn't matter.

    It's the Independents and Center, mate.

    And yes, Obama is not a lock. I don't like him, anyway. I have posted so, several times.
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    Here's (another shallow article Op-Ed) on Mr. G.

    Gingrich Is Inspiring—and Disturbing - WSJ.com

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    ^^^^^^^ Mino, that is a typical sh*t TV ad.

    Not saying Newt is not a hypocrite, but I cannot stand these TV ads. They are shallow, misleading and focus on people's uninformed emotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    ^^^^^^^ Mino, that is a typical sh*t TV ad.

    Not saying Newt is not a hypocrite, but I cannot stand these TV ads. They are shallow, misleading and focus on people's uninformed emotions.
    Not in his case. Newt is a shit head.

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    Ron Paul Slams Newt Gingrich On Military Service (VIDEO) | TPM2012

    One of the few big battles of Saturday’s New Hampshire presidential debate came when Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich fought over military records. Paul has been attacking Gingrich for not serving in the military while supporting potential military action in places like Iran.

    Gingrich responded that he wasn’t able to be drafted because he was married with a child. However, Paul had a ready answer to that… A very cutting answer.

    Paul attacked Gingrich for getting Vietnam deferments, and Gingrich tried to push back. Here’s what it sounded and looked like:

    The transcript:

    PAUL: I don’t like it when we send our kids off to fight these wars and when those individuals didn’t go themselves, and then come up and when they’re asked they say, ‘Oh I don’t think one person could have made a difference.’ I have a pet peeve that annoys me to a great deal because when I see these young men coming back my heart weeps for them.

    GINGRICH: Dr Paul has a long history of saying things that are inaccurate and false. The fact is I never asked for a deferment, I was married with a child, it was never a question. My father was in fact serving in Vietnam in the Me-Kong delta at the time he’s referring to. I think I have a pretty good idea of what it’s like as a family to worry about your family getting killed. And I personally resent the kind of comments an aspersions he routinely makes without accurate information.

    PAUL: I need one quick follow up: When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids. And I went.

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    Our compliments to the politically engaged citizen who brought a blowup of the Daily News front page of Nov. 16, 1995, to a Newt Gingrich campaign appearance at the Barley House restaurant and tavern in Concord, N.H.

    There was Gingrich, again trailed by the famous image of him as a diapered, bawling, foot-stamping infant under the headline “Cry baby.”

    The rest of the words pinned Gingrich for a petty, petulant episode that began his descent into a now-ended exile from electoral politics.

    “Newt’s tantrum: He closed down the government because Clinton made him sit at back of plane.”

    The front page devastated Gingrich 16 years ago because it was dead-on true. It haunts him today because he hasn’t changed. He’s the same old peevish, vituperative guy.

    He limped into New Hampshire after plummeting to fourth place in Iowa — in no small part because Mitt Romney zapped him as “zany” and bombarded Gingrich with attack ads that reminded voters of the former House speaker’s record.

    And, boy, did that get him steamed.

    He let loose, saying, “Here is my simple tag line: Somebody who will lie to you to get to be President will lie to you when they are President.”

    Asked on CBS, “You’re calling Mitt Romney a liar?” the reply was, “Well, you seemed shocked by it. Yes.”

    And then, after Romney cleaned his clock, Gingrich whined about having weathered tough but fair ads, saying, “We are not going to go out and run nasty ads. We’re not going to go out and run 30-second gut shots.”

    Clearly irked, he also asked whether Republicans want “somebody who is into changing Washington, or do we want a Massachusetts moderate who, in fact, will be pretty good at managing the decay.”

    Gingrich’s 1995 outburst was brought to the front page by the late Lars-Erik Nelson, who heard the speaker spout off at a press breakfast.

    As Nelson wrote that day, “Across the breakfast table, House Speaker Newt Gingrich was doing a good imitation of Capt. Queeg at the end of ‘The Caine Mutiny’ court-martial, slowly unraveling into resentment and self-pity. He was fighting liars,” — that word again — “he said. And disrespect. ‘Forget me, I’m only the speaker of the House,’ he said.”

    That’s who Gingrich was then. That’s who Gingrich is now. And that’s why that front page is as effective today as it was when first published.



    Read more: Newt Gingrich is 68 but he never grew up - NY Daily News

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    1. I don't like Obama.

    2. Anyone who thinks unemployment went up because of Obama is a fucking RETARD.

    Boost for Obama as US unemployment falls again and job growth quickens | Business | guardian.co.uk

    By the time the GOP candidate is chosen, unlemployment will be lower than when Obama took office. It continued to rise in the first year after it skyrocketed under Bush. Anyone who thinks Obama could have plugged that leak the day he took office is also RETARDED. That would be like turning an aircraft carrier in 5 seconds. How will the GOP counter large billboards and T.V. ads showing unemployment has fallen under Obama? What will the GOP have left to campaign on? Foreign Policy Further, every unemployment and economic forecast paints a major rosy picture over the next 5 years...Obama just needs to show this and say, "let us finish what we started". Sure, it may not be amazing, but it won't be hard to show it's an improvement over the last GOP dipshit and who will want to fuck that up???

    All I hear from Republican supporters is that the economy and employment has worsened under Obama; do you guys even read the NY times, Bloomberg, WSJ? Do you guys read? Don't answer, I forgot you watch fox news where you likely say hallelujah more times than you do in church.

    Any GOP candidate will get slaughtered by Obama, his political team and $$$$$$$$

    Except for 1 guy... Ron Paul!!!
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