Thread: How to explain gay rights to an idiot.

Hatred towards gays stems directly from religion whether we are religious or not. Even atheists live in a culture that has been shaped and influenced by religion.
You don't see Buddhists or buddhist based cultures hating on homosexuals. They don't even consider it an issue worthy of discussion.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

I don't practice any religion. I'm more of a deist if anything. Every now and again, I may say a prayer to the sun disc, but that's about as far as it goes. I've had friends who were christians, muslims, jews, hindus, and pastafarians. Religion doesn't really play a role in my life.

I'm curious why the Adam thing bothered you.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Hatred towards gays stems directly from religion whether we are religious or not. Even atheists live in a culture that has been shaped and influenced by religion.
You don't see Buddhists or buddhist based cultures hating on homosexuals. They don't even consider it an issue worthy of discussion.

exactly... I couldn't imagine living in a world were it "bothered" me to see people that were different from me. what a horrible existence and utter waste of energy.

Cause that's my name.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Cause that's my name.

I figured that out after posting that. Lol

Originally Posted by LAM

exactly... I couldn't imagine living in a world were it "bothered" me to see people that were different from me. what a horrible existence and utter waste of energy.

You're spot on, Lam. Reading some comments here made me think to myself that it must be a huge mental burden to carry such hatred towards others to your grave. What a curse.

Originally Posted by LAM

exactly... I couldn't imagine living in a world were it "bothered" me to see people that were different from me. what a horrible existence and utter waste of energy.

One way or another, people always pay for their prejudices. Hate always has a chance in the good old U.S.A.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

As it stands now, the state simply issues a legal document whereby it recognizes a civil union between a husband and wife. Basically all that faggots are asking for is to be allowed to apply for that same legal recognition. The true sanctity of a marriage is not delegated by the govt in any way. That part comes from the recognition and acceptance of the marriage by the couple's family, friends, church, community, and strength of the relationship. Legal recognition by the state in no way makes a marriage any more or less valid.

Or:

WTG, Gears, gotta repp this when I get a chance.

Originally Posted by banker23

WTG, Gears, gotta repp this when I get a chance.

Yes, I believe you guys should be allowed to marry. Now, where are my reps. You can neg LAM and a few others a few times to build up the rep power.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Morality should be based on the consequences of actions, not on religious doctrine. Do you disagree? There is no legitimate reason against homosexuality, only religious doctrine.

Not everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is "religious". your notion that all opposition to homosexuality is exclusively driven by religious doctrine is not exclusively correct.

In the same manner you lump all "christians" and "religious" people together, others could lump all homosexuals into groups like NABLA or other extremist groups.

Like I said, it's entirely subjective to the person, regardless of what religious faith they are (or aren't).

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Hatred towards gays stems directly from religion whether we are religious or not. Even atheists live in a culture that has been shaped and influenced by religion.
You don't see Buddhists or buddhist based cultures hating on homosexuals. They don't even consider it an issue worthy of discussion.

I don't think it's all aabout religion. IMO, a lot of it probably stems from many people's innate tendency to feel uncomfortable around others who are different. Basically, they have a deep-rooted need for someone to look down on and persecute; kind of like a bully in jr. high school. Many gay men are effeminate and unagressive (plus in the minority), so they make an easy target.

Religion may exaccerbate that tendency and make one feel justified for hating on gays.

Originally Posted by Witmaster

Not everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is "religious". your notion that all opposition to homosexuality is exclusively driven by religious doctrine is not exclusively correct.

In the same manner you lump all "christians" and "religious" people together, others could lump all homosexuals into groups like NABLA or other extremist groups.

Like I said, it's entirely subjective to the person, regardless of what religious faith they are (or aren't).

Youre ignoring the fact that in the US, Christians are leading the cause of discriminating against gays, and their sole reason is because they believe it's an abomination, which is derived from the bible.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Youre ignoring the fact that in the US, Christians are leading the cause of discriminating against gays, and their sole reason is because they believe it's an abomination, which is derived from the bible.

I’m not ignoring anything.

I’m just simply stating that not all “Christians” subscribe to the same doctrine you describe.

You are very quick to assume “Christianity” is the leading cause of discrimination against gays.
Islam has a rather draconian view on the matter: the Death Penalty.

Even such obscure faiths such as Sikhism state, “Homosexuality is against the Sikh religion and the Sikh code of conduct and totally against the laws of nature”

My point is, it's not just "the Bible" that makes statements about homosexuality. Other faiths teach it as well.


I’ve seen two very distinct themes in the vast majority of your posts.

1. Anti-Christian
2. Pro-gay

Now, given this distinct pattern, and your obvious passion on the topic, it is certainly understandable why you would hold such contempt for Christianity. What I’m saying is, we “Christians” are not all that bad.

I don’t presume to be the expert on social-engineering and who (or what) determines a person’s morality. What I do know is, in the same manner you don’t like having “religion” forced upon you, there are those who don’t like having homosexuality forced upon them. And not all of those people are Christians.

I have several homosexual friends. One of which is probably the most trusted and beloved friend I have ever had. I don’t judge them, nor do I castigate them for their sexual preferences. Likewise, they don’t judge me. It’s a wonderful friendship we share and, one I am grateful for.

Originally Posted by Witmaster

I’m not ignoring anything.

I’m just simply stating that not all “Christians” subscribe to the same doctrine you describe.

You are very quick to assume “Christianity” is the leading cause of discrimination against gays.
Islam has a rather draconian view on the matter: the Death Penalty.

Even such obscure faiths such as Sikhism state, “Homosexuality is against the Sikh religion and the Sikh code of conduct and totally against the laws of nature”

My point is, it's not just "the Bible" that makes statements about homosexuality. Other faiths teach it as well.


I’ve seen two very distinct themes in the vast majority of your posts.

1. Anti-Christian
2. Pro-gay

Now, given this distinct pattern, and your obvious passion on the topic, it is certainly understandable why you would hold such contempt for Christianity. What I’m saying is, we “Christians” are not all that bad.

I don’t presume to be the expert on social-engineering and who (or what) determines a person’s morality. What I do know is, in the same manner you don’t like having “religion” forced upon you, there are those who don’t like having homosexuality forced upon them. And not all of those people are Christians.

I have several homosexual friends. One of which is probably the most trusted and beloved friend I have ever had. I don’t judge them, nor do I castigate them for their sexual preferences. Likewise, they don’t judge me. It’s a wonderful friendship we share and, one I am grateful for.

You're right, most religions object to it , I just live in a country that is mostly Christian and they are the majority of the ones leading the fight agaInst gays, that's why I single them out. Additionally, I don't think every christian shares those beliefs, just too many Of them. Nobody is forcing homosexuality on you, has anyone told to that you should be gay? Plenty of gays have been told that they need fixing, and if they just ask Jesus for help, he'll make them straight.

And, you're right, I am anti Christian, but I'm also anti Muslim. I also feel the need to defend gay rights.

I understand that I'm stereotyping Christians as being anti-gay, but I think a lot of them are, and I alsI believe that stereotypes are rooted in truth.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I understand that I'm stereotyping Christians as being anti-gay, but I think a lot of them are, and I alsI believe that stereotypes are rooted in truth.

If they believe the bible is the literal word of God then they have to be homophobic in order to be a true Christian.

Ironically, Jesus didn't hate anybody, he had no enemies and he never went on the record saying anything about homosexuality being a sin.
There's major contradictions between the teachings of Jesus and the bible.
Christ is an admirable example of humanity and the bible seems to be tainted with the worst traits that mankind are burdened with.

I always laugh when I hear the phrase:
"Against the laws of nature"....


I'm pretty sure anything that went "against nature" would quickly be abolished.


It's like saying it's possible for a man to eat fire.

I can't post it from my phone but there's some hilarious footage on the docu "Religulous" where there are some Christians who have set up a "gay reform clinic" where gay Christians go there to get "fixed" and the guy running the show is gayer than a fanny pack full of rainbow dicks.
Clearly the fixing process is pure denial. Poor guys think that they will be damned to eternal hell and suferring for just being themselves so they try to trick their god into thinking they're not really gay.
They either underestimate their god or they are super confident.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

I can't post it from my phone but there's some hilarious footage on the docu "Religulous" where there are some Christians who have set up a "gay reform clinic" where gay Christians go there to get "fixed" and the guy running the show is gayer than a fanny pack full of rainbow dicks.
Clearly the fixing process is pure denial. Poor guys think that they will be damned to eternal hell and suferring for just being themselves so they try to trick their god into thinking they're not really gay.
They either underestimate their god or they are super confident.

I own that movie and know the scene you're referring to. Hilarious. Bill asks the guy if he's getting a hard-on when they hug.