Thread: How to explain gay rights to an idiot.

How about: the government should have as little ability as possible to tell you what to do.

That's even easier.

Originally Posted by DOMS

How about: the government should have as little ability as possible to tell you what to do.

That's even easier.

correct! But, it's always good to point out that it is the religious folks that are imposing their morality on us.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

correct! But, it's always good to point out that it is the religious folks that are imposing their morality on us.

I believe in humanism, and I don't that is a religion.

Originally Posted by Chubby

I believe in humanism, and I don't that is a religion.

I believe you're a twat.

I find the argument on both sides kind of weak. Gay rights advocates always use a phrase similar to 'the right to marry the one you love'; however I'm not sure where this comes from. Historically there have been many marriages formed or denied without respect to love. Arranged marriages, marriage licenses denied because of blood relations, diseases, etc. Anyway, there must be legal precedent in the U.S. concerning what the 'right' actually is and that's what they should focus on.

I noticed they promoted the idea of marriage between two people and didn't touch on polygamy. I think this also highlights a weakness in their stance because it shows they are riding a cultural line and appealing to emotions more so than rigid logic. Polygamy is still taboo and gays feel the need to distance themselves from it. Marriage rights being between two people does seem logically arbitrary. Arguments that distinguish the two are of the same murky nature.

The above is commentary on the arguments, not my stance on the issues. Don't freak out.

Originally Posted by troubador

I noticed they promoted the idea of marriage between two people and didn't touch on polygamy. I think this also highlights a weakness in their stance because it shows they are riding a cultural line and appealing to emotions more so than rigid logic. Polygamy is still taboo and gays feel the need to distance themselves from it. Marriage rights being between two people does seem logically arbitrary. Arguments that distinguish the two are of the same murky nature.

So I'm not the only one that's brought that up. Nice.

However...

I'm cool with gay marriage, but if some guy wants to have two wives, there's obviously something really fucking wrong with him and he shouldn't be allowed to marry a single person, much less two.

I'm just sayin'...

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

How To Explain Gay Rights To An Idiot

Are you a gay?

Originally Posted by Chubby

Are you a gay?

Nope. I'm very straight, have a wife and a great family. I'm just one of those liberal lefties that thinks for himself.

I call myself a liberal lefty, but mostly because of social issues. Fiscally, I'm not sure where I stand because I'm ignorant in economics. I just can't see myself voting for a fiscal conservative that is pro-life, or pro-creationism, and against the separation of church and state.

I do believe in individual rights, but I also believe in preservation of national resources and do not want our courts involved in gay divorce. It's funny how they think they are better at relationships than the rest of us, but let's get real; allow gay marriage, and gay divorce will happen.

Originally Posted by TonyMack

I do believe in individual rights, but I also believe in preservation of national resources and do not want our courts involved in gay divorce. It's funny how they think they are better at relationships than the rest of us, but let's get real; allow gay marriage, and gay divorce will happen.

Not that I agree with what you wrote, but the first gay divorce happened a day after the first time gay marriage was made legal in San Francisco. Technically, it's an annulment, but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

How To Explain Gay Rights To An Idiot

many religious types find it acceptable to discriminate against certain groups, the hypocrisy of organized religions knows no bounds...

Even a little more simple. How about being and acting like a human and don't try to find fault with others, just work on yourself and try to amend your own faults.

Why doesn't our government stay out if it and let the businesses who perform marriages decide who can and who can't get married?

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Why doesn't our government stay out if it and let the businesses who perform marriages decide who can and who can't get married?

I don't like businesses having control over our principal because they will sell anything to make profit. For them profit comes before ethics and principal.

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't like businesses having control over our principal because they will sell anything to make profit. For them profit comes before ethics and principal.

Profit is more important

All gays are gay

Originally Posted by justhav2p

Profit is more important

If there is no ethics and prinsipal, people will eventually start acting like wild animals.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I believe you're a twat.

I believe she has a chubby twat.

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't like businesses having control over our principal because they will sell anything to make profit. For them profit comes before ethics and principal.

This makes no sense. You talk like businesses are a different species. People are selfish, even the poorest person. A business doesn't have a conscience and the people who run them are born with the same human nature as the jobless hippie. Hippie greed is no more ethical than corporate greed.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I believe she has a chubby twat.

That smells like fish.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

correct! But, it's always good to point out that it is the religious folks that are imposing their morality on us.

The same arguement could also be said about those who impose thier "immorality" on others.

It's entirely subjective.

Originally Posted by DOMS

That smells like fish.

Quit insulting fish.

You'll ruin my diet.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I believe she has a chubby twat.

I'm sure it could be exploited by a corporation for the good of the poor...

Originally Posted by DOMS

That smells like fish.

And the problem with this is?

This is simple, marriage should not exist. The simple fact is marriage is a myth created by religion and now kept alive by the Government. All it is in todays world is a business agreement, and a very bad one at that.

If you want to celebrate your relationship with someone, do it with friends and family, do not give power to the State or Church.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

How To Explain Gay Rights To An Idiot

I'm totally for gay rights, get married and pack as much fudge as you want!!!

I do have a problem with gay adoption though. In this case a 3rd party's rights should also be considered. Not saying that the gays can't do a good job of raising a normal child, but all else being equal, the child will be subject to prejudism which he/she may not otherwise have to face. We hear a lot about the success stories, but what about the failures?

In a perfect world gay adoption would be a non-issue. We don't live in a perfect world...

Originally Posted by DOMS

I believe you're a twat.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I believe she has a chubby twat.

Originally Posted by DOMS

That smells like fish.

Damn that's harsh