Thread: R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens

Sad news. I can't think of anybody who could fill his shoes when it comes to owning fundies.

A short interview on some of Hitchen's reasoning and God is not Great.

Sorry to hear he passed. Tremendous writer and thinker. The Atheist movement just lost a major voice. Fascinating man who got people thinking through his thoughts and observations. Very sad day.

He was a very, very smart man, eloquent.

Always sad to hear of someone passing.

Good. God always wins.

A great person died today. This guy has shaped the way I think about the world. Here are some quotes from some of his books.

"Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather then sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake."
God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
Twelve Books
2007


On the War in Iraq:

It is perfectly true that most Americans were somewhat indifferent to the outside world as it was before September 11, and also highly ignorant of it—a point on which the self-blaming faction insists. While attention was elsewhere, a deadly and irreconcilable enemy was laying plans and training recruits. This enemy—unless we are to flatter him by crediting his own propaganda—cares no more for the wretched of the West Bank than did Saddam Hussein when he announced that the road to Palestine and Jerusalem led through Kuwait and Kurdistan. But a lethal and remorseless foe is a troubling thing in more than one way. Not only may he wish you harm; he may force you to think and to act. And these responsibilities—because thinking and acting are responsibilities—may be disconcerting.
"Stranger in a Strange Land"
December 2001
The Atlantic

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”



“The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.”



“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”



“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.”



“The governor of Texas, who, when asked if the Bible should also be taught in Spanish, replied that 'if English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me.”



“The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.”



“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”


“One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell.”



“I suppose that one reason I have always detested religion is its sly tendency to insinuate the idea that the universe is designed with 'you' in mind or, even worse, that there is a divine plan into which one fits whether one knows it or not. This kind of modesty is too arrogant for me.”



“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”



“We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.”

R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens

haha, whoops.

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Good. God always wins.

Actually, religious folks were trying to prove him wrong about faith healing and came together to pray for his health. It didn't work.

Here are some good quotes from him:


"Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather then sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake."
God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
Twelve Books
2007


On the War in Iraq:It is perfectly true that most Americans were somewhat indifferent to the outside world as it was before September 11, and also highly ignorant of it—a point on which the self-blaming faction insists. While attention was elsewhere, a deadly and irreconcilable enemy was laying plans and training recruits. This enemy—unless we are to flatter him by crediting his own propaganda—cares no more for the wretched of the West Bank than did Saddam Hussein when he announced that the road to Palestine and Jerusalem led through Kuwait and Kurdistan. But a lethal and remorseless foe is a troubling thing in more than one way. Not only may he wish you harm; he may force you to think and to act. And these responsibilities—because thinking and acting are responsibilities—may be disconcerting.
"Stranger in a Strange Land"
December 2001
The Atlantic


“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”



“The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.”



“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”



“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.”



“The governor of Texas, who, when asked if the Bible should also be taught in Spanish, replied that 'if English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me.”



“The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.”



“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”


“One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell.”



“I suppose that one reason I have always detested religion is its sly tendency to insinuate the idea that the universe is designed with 'you' in mind or, even worse, that there is a divine plan into which one fits whether one knows it or not. This kind of modesty is too arrogant for me.”



“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”



“We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.”

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Actually, religious folks were trying to prove him wrong about faith healing and came together to pray for his health. It didn't work.

Exactly, god wanted him dead.

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Exactly, god wanted him dead.

There's a video on YouTube called "best of the Hitchslap" and it's a compilation of just some of his greatest or funniest moments in debate. It's an entertaining watch.

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Exactly, god wanted him dead.

I think god wants everybody dead, especially alter boys who have been broken in by the clergy.

RIP

No doubt Jesus is sucking his dick right now.

Hitchens wrote and spoke about different topics.

One lengthy and well-researched book of his is: The Trial of Henry Kissinger.

I haven't read it, but have read the reviews.

He also turned against Clinton and he wrote No More Lies to Tell,.

I didn't agree with everything Hitchens believed in. He was a supporter of the Iraq war, and his debate with British MP George Galloway is 2 hours.

Part 1:

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Hitchens wrote and spoke about different topics.

One lengthy and well-researched book of his is: The Trial of Henry Kissinger.

I haven't read it, but have read the reviews.

He also turned against Clinton and he wrote No More Lies to Tell,.

I didn't agree with everything Hitchens believed in. He was a supporter of the Iraq war, and his debate with British MP George Galloway is 2 hours.

Part 1:

He was hard to predict. He frequently found himself debating w both conservatives and liberals on all sorts of issues. Although, I disagree w some of his positions, I've got a lot of respect for him.

Yea, But I didn't need anyone to tell me W. was a liar.

When that shit broke out, I told everyone he was lying...
And most people thought I was a fool....

Well, who's a fool , now!

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

He was hard to predict. He frequently found himself debating w both conservatives and liberals on all sorts of issues. Although, I disagree w some of his positions, I've got a lot of respect for him.

Remember, it's not about "convervative" vs. "liberals."

That is a very narrow and limited viewpoint.

Also, the invasion of Iraq was a "liberal" concept, and definitely not a conservative one.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Yea, But I didn't need anyone to tell me W. was a liar.

When that shit broke out, I told everyone he was lying...
And most people thought I was a fool....

Well, who's a fool , now!

They are fools, not you.

Judith Miller.

Another sad state of affairs on critical thinking, at the most basic level, by Americans.

Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Remember, it's not about "convervative" vs. "liberals."

That is a very narrow and limited viewpoint.

Also, the invasion of Iraq was a "liberal" concept, and definitely not a conservative one.

Maybe I should've used the terms republicans and democrats. My point was that he didn't subscribe to one particular ideology. A real free thinker.

Hitchen's 10 Commandments: