Thread: Obama Would Merge, Shrink Agencies

Originally Posted by DOMS

I have to say, I'm surprised. I didn't see LAM as a tweed sort of person.

Hmmm. Good point. I was more hung up on the 'four degrees' issue than fabric at the time, but since you pointed it out, he might be more of a windsuit kind of guy.

Originally Posted by DaMayor

Hmmm. Good point. I was more hung up on the 'four degrees' issue than fabric at the time, but since you pointed it out, he might be more of a windsuit kind of guy.

But what do you care? You're a honey badger. You don't give a shit.

Originally Posted by DOMS

But what do you care? You're a honey badger. You don't give a shit.

Limited government?

Why that's an oxymoron.

Government continues to grow, and if agencies were consolidatated, you'd just make lobbying easier by giving them one target instead of several.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Limited government?

Why that's an oxymoron.

Government continues to grow, and if agencies were consolidatated, you'd just make lobbying easier by giving them one target instead of several.

That makes no sense. You are thinking of it from a political perspective, not the fact that all the small businesses that deal with those agencies will now have a one stop shop. Sure, there are always risks but they don't even approach the benefits or cost savings. This needs to happen all over the government, the amount of redundancies and wasteful spending is nearly unfathomable.

Originally Posted by oufinny

That makes no sense. You are thinking of it from a political perspective, not the fact that all the small businesses that deal with those agencies will now have a one stop shop. Sure, there are always risks but they don't even approach the benefits or cost savings. This needs to happen all over the government, the amount of redundancies and wasteful spending is nearly unfathomable.

Sure it does. I'm not speaking about small businesses, and neither are the guys in washington. These guys are looking to scam and skim at the highest level. Mom and Pop don't have a loggyist.

Originally Posted by LAM

Econ is a hard science yet not "as" hard as physics or chemistry it also contains aspects of some social sciences and history. it has become less hard once variables like liberalized trade and monetary systems were injected into it.

and my problem isn't that a got a little bit of education, it's that I have a lot far more than most in the US. I have 4 degrees, got a full scholarship to every single ivy league school in the US and could have graduated HS when I was 13, got a 1520 on the SAT's and I was high when I took it. my parents did not talk about race, religion or politics in front of my sister and I, nor did we spend our youth being brainwashed by american tv, I didn't start watching that crap until I was in my mid to late 20's after I got out of the navy. so in no way shape or form did I grow up like most, I highly doubt your parents made you read books during summer breaks in grade school and write reports on them. my head is not filled with various belief systems from my parents or a rigid political or religious ideology, pretty much the exact opposite. I live in a world based on the way things are, not as the were in decades past, should be or could have been and base my beliefs on facts based on empirical data that changes as that information does.

people go on and on about american innovation but except for the Internet which was the brain child of the US gov there hasn't been one single innovation in the US in the past century that allowed real income growth across all 5 income quintiles and every single job market. and because of the population growth of the US early in this century the US gov has since become one of the largest employers, like it or not that's they way it is. the US has a population of 300M double that of all the other large country's in the OECD that have not liberalized there trade (labor) to any degree near that of the US and have far greater worker protections and social safety net programs. people think that the US trades heavily, the US doesn't trade for shit. check out what we export to other country's, it's all the same products and not from industry's that employee a lot of people. 90% of personal consumption in the US is from goods made by US company's, less than 3% comes from China, that leaves 7% from various other country's...the US as a heavier trader, all lies and propaganda just like the "free market" delusion that politicians sell on tv, that do not exist in reality.

there was an independent report released years ago with data compiled from the dept of commerce and the census data from SIPP it showed that the net worth (which equals the value of all of a family’s total real and financial assets – including equity in a home, businesses, vehicles, other property, cash, bank accounts, stocks and bonds, and all other assets – less all debts) of 50% of the US was less than $1,000 in 1999 before the great economic expansion of the 2000's. so for those that want to keep dreaming that things are going to get better, they are not unless you are part of the top 20% or greater.

so I beg to argue that i do not think I know too much it's that most of you, know so very little..

I'm calling Bull Shit on all accounts here. Across the board Bull Shit. I don't know if I should be surprised, or just laugh that an intellectual snob would be so obviously wrong in each and every one of his statements.

Anyone with any knowledge of Economics does not pretend that it is a hard science. By any stretch of the imagination. you still didn't address the fact that Economists don't even agree amongst themselves so how could all those who "understand this stuff" agree with you? If all the economists out there agreed then the course of action would be easy. But the truth is rarely do they agree. The problem with economics, is it is too tied to politics and because of that, well.......the rest of us end up reading the gibberish you try and pass off as irrefutable fact

Originally Posted by oufinny

Seriously, if you are that smart and don't work or as you put it "semi-retired" (if memory serves me right), you are doing nothing to contribute to innovation and society in general [honestly I think you are afraid to fail so you don't take the risk of trying to bring innovation]. This is the same arrogance that drives people crazy. I went to school with someone who got the same SAT score and a 36 on his ACT, he so far has amounted to shit and day trades. This is someone who wanted to do bio-medical engineering, would have been amazing at it if he could have put down the joint and hard drugs, but chose not to use his gift. My cousin is the same way, near genius level intelligence, now he works as an aid in the school system; at least now he wants to change that realizing you can't make a living doing that.

Why don't you give up the shameless self promoting and use one of your FOUR degrees to do something good instead of just reading a bunch of studies online everyday? After reading that, I really have very little respect left for you. Wasting what appears to be a gift is no different in my eyes than being a career criminal as it is a burden on society either way.

I feel like I'm reading the script to Good Will Hunting up in this bitch....

Originally Posted by maniclion

I feel like I'm reading the script to Good Will Hunting up in this bitch....

If this is good will hunting then LAM is playing the guy at Harvard who just regurgitates other peoples shit to try and sound smart without actually thinking for himself. It's quite sad really.

But there is no way in Fuck he has 4 degrees, or scored a 1520 on his SAT's or any of the other outlandish bullshit he is claiming. Guys who have accomplished that don't go on bodybuilding forums and brag about it like a 14 year old who just saw his first real pair of titties. Truth is he lives in his mom's basement. He is intelligent (in a read and regurgitate without independent thought kind of way), but is afraid of the world and unable to compete in it for real because of this fear. because of this his only real outlet is the internet.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

If this is good will hunting then LAM is playing the guy at Harvard who just regurgitates other peoples shit to try and sound smart without actually thinking for himself. It's quite sad really.

But there is no way in Fuck he has 4 degrees, or scored a 1520 on his SAT's or any of the other outlandish bullshit he is claiming. Guys who have accomplished that don't go on bodybuilding forums and brag about it like a 14 year old who just saw his first real pair of titties. Truth is he lives in his mom's basement. He is intelligent (in a read and regurgitate without independent thought kind of way), but is afraid of the world and unable to compete in it for real because of this fear. because of this his only real outlet is the internet.

Most shocking to me is that he has not responded.