Thread: Election 2012

Gop, baby!!

It does not matter, the only way it might matter is if an independent won.

Originally Posted by GeorgeForemanRules

It does not matter, the only way it might matter is if an independent won.

Ahhhh, I hear ya. Obviously theres no independent running (yet) so I'm still gonna stick with the establishment. Hopefully a candidate that the tea party will get behind. They're gonna be another driving force just as they were in 2010.

**BTW, that burger in your sig looks fucking delicious.

Somehow I find this hard to believe. Maybe it sounds to good to be true or maybe it just sounds like more propaganda. I can't see Romboy beating Obuma anywhere near that badly and if by chance it turns out to be Gingrich, Obuma will be around with us four more years.

Sad to say but I am quite sure GFR is correct. It makes little difference unless someone that is truly independent runs and wins.

And Gallup is a liberal polling outfit too.

That poll is Obama Vs an unnamed republican. Obama Vs Romney is very tight, and Obama leads Gingrich by a lot.

Originally Posted by secdrl

**BTW, that burger in your sig looks fucking delicious.

x10

It seems obvious to me that Obama will prevail.

Originally Posted by hypno

Somehow I find this hard to believe. Maybe it sounds to good to be true or maybe it just sounds like more propaganda. I can't see Romboy beating Obuma anywhere near that badly and if by chance it turns out to be Gingrich, Obuma will be around with us four more years.

Sad to say but I am quite sure GFR is correct. It makes little difference unless someone that is truly independent runs and wins.

That's probably true. The republican voters don't seem to like Romney but the establishment told them that's who they have to vote for. If Paul ran as an independent and won I think we'd see real change, not the Obama's marketing campaign kind.

Originally Posted by troubador

If Paul ran as an independent and won.......

If worms had machine guns birds wouldn't fuck with 'em.

With this economy (which is not Obama's fault nor any other President's fault) I do see the Incumbent losing.

Historically, this will be the case.

The Incumbent will lose.

A new President will be elected.

And nothing will change.

Originally Posted by hypno

Somehow I find this hard to believe. Maybe it sounds to good to be true or maybe it just sounds like more propaganda. I can't see Romboy beating Obuma anywhere near that badly and if by chance it turns out to be Gingrich, Obuma will be around with us four more years.

Sad to say but I am quite sure GFR is correct. It makes little difference unless someone that is truly independent runs and wins.

I posted this poll because it was done by an extreme left wing organization. The examiner is about as far left as you can go before you start to turn around. If they're showing this kind of defeat, makes me wonder...

Originally Posted by secdrl

I posted this poll because it was done by an extreme left wing organization. The examiner is about as far left as you can go before you start to turn around. If they're showing this kind of defeat, makes me wonder...

That's because they're secretly pulling for Romney. He's basically Obama Redux. He'll get elected and they'll just try to out bid each other for control over his puppet ass.

They need to change the behavior that contributed to the economic tsunami. Otherwise, if they keep doing the same thing that got this country in this mess, then it is pointless to keep electing new leader, I think.

No current republican will make the economy any better.

No independent will emerge anytime soon, USA will continue to struggle.

Originally Posted by Madmann

No current republican will make the economy any better.

No independent will emerge anytime soon, USA will continue to struggle.

Our politics is always about taking away from others while keeping yours intact. Both parties don't seem to care about what is good for the country.

Originally Posted by georgeforemanrules

it does not matter, the only way it might matter is if an independent won.

voting remains in place to make the peons (that would be all of us) feel like we actually have some control over this country.

^^^ knows all

Originally Posted by troubador

If Paul ran as an independent and won I think we'd see real change, not the Obama's marketing campaign kind.

How? the #1 function of the POTUS is the overall functioning of the fed government. He does not control the House or the majority of legislation that comes out of it nor is it his job to micromanage those functions. As long as there is a revolving door between us politicians on the hill with the big $ of the private sector nothing will change for the better until private money gets out of US politics.

you honestly think that 1 man with no real history of passing any meaningful legislation is going to change how the MIC functions? or the looting of US citizens by the US financial sector?

The big 2 will never get a challenge from a third party unless there is a revolution. Perot scared the shit out of them in the 90's and they made a slew of ballot access laws and eliminated them from the debates. Until the people get pissed off enough , the country will continue to suffer.

Originally Posted by LAM

How?

Meaningful changes in government always follow shifts in philosophy. Ron Paul supporters don't care as much about him as they do the message, that's really his greatest contribution. It's more important where he stands on the issues than his history of passing legislation. It's not a basketball game, you don't get points for successfully passing shitty legislation. If anyone isn't bought out by the lobbyists it's him.

That article is pure speculation...

The map is not an official Gallup map it was made by the writer of the article using http://www.270towin.com/

It assumes that just because people give him a low approval rating that they will vote republican, but we all know how many wing nuts there are out there who would never vote against party lines no matter how awful their candidate is...


Just an observation, I'm so done with politics. I hardly see any difference between Bush and Obama, sure on the surface they seem polar opposites, but deeper inside both full of shit...

Originally Posted by maniclion

I hardly see any difference between Bush and Obama, sure on the surface they seem polar opposites, but deeper inside both full of shit...

both parities "work" for the status quo and the continuation of neo-liberal economic policies which only serve to benefit those at the top. those that don't know how the system works will never be able to beat it. cracks me up to see poor people defending the rich as they have no chance of ever becoming such. american's put money up on a pedestal decades ago and it has cost them dearly.

Yeah, I am probably voting Obama unless Paul runs. My vote won't be for Obama so mch as against Romney. IMO, our primary problem is income inequality and Romney will only make it worse, Obama will do nothing but that's better than regressing further.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Yeah, I am probably voting Obama unless Paul runs. My vote won't be for Obama so mch as against Romney. IMO, our primary problem is income inequality and Romney will only make it worse, Obama will do nothing but that's better than regressing further.

sadly so many Americans suck at math at are not knowledgeable enough to understand how this effects the US consumption based economy. there is a direct correlation with consumption and wealth and the amount of wealth that a person can create depends on the disposable income. after paying for rent, utilities, energy, etc. not many have anything left after all that so no wealth can be created in reality. easier said then done when 50% of the country is making 1970's wages once adjusted for inflation. apparently that doesn't go very far in the year 2012...what a shocker

Don't follow "starts" making comments but this is one of many issues of why I don't BO. BO stands for Barak Obama...or perhaps body odor. He's done basically nothing in office, IMO.

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