Thread: Bloomburg wants to ban large sugared drinks

I saw this, WTF, isnt that a form of socialism?

i agree with this


its a national security issue really

they already banned smoking in most places,which I agree with.

good move

makes no sense, your gonna ban the size of soda but not the whole supersize option in fast food menus. If I supersize a big mac and fries I'm gonna need a large drink to wash it down. What if I get ice tea or diet coke? Can I then get a 32 once drink?

yes,

sugar is the enemy here, and is responsible for a lot of our health issues

Originally Posted by jagbender

When will the Government realize they cannot legislate health


New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity


read article here
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/ny...pagewanted=all

Probably as soon as it realizes it can't legislate morality.

High fructose corn syrup is immoral.

HFCS is mostly sold in the USA and not in other countries. Check that out
Also the HFCS manufactures failed to get the name chaged to "corn sugar" spent millions on advertizing that "Sugar is Sugar"
High Fructose Corn Syrup: FDA Rejects 'Corn Sugar' As New Name

High fructose corn syrup contaminated with mercury and made using a toxic chemical catalyst that can burn a hole in your stomach

The History of High Fructose Corn Syrup | eHow.com

The Government created the HFCS nighmare and now is trying to regulate how much terror we can handle WTF!

The efforts to disguise the product should set off alarm bells for any critical thinker. HFCS is horrible on so many levels.

Originally Posted by jagbender

HFCS is mostly sold in the USA and not in other countries. Check that out
Also the HFCS manufactures failed to get the name chaged to "corn sugar" spent millions on advertizing that "Sugar is Sugar"
High Fructose Corn Syrup: FDA Rejects 'Corn Sugar' As New Name

That shit is poison.

Originally Posted by parsifal09

i agree with this


its a national security issue really

they already banned smoking in most places,which I agree with.

good move

That's not a good analogy. They've banned smoking in public places not because it affects individual health but others. You can't get second hand diabetes.

Also, this only bans certain size containers at certain locations like theaters, delis, restaurants. You'll still be able to walk in to McDonald's get a 16oz cup and refill it as many times as you want or buy two drinks instead of one at a hot-dog stand. This isn't going to solve anything.

the analogy is fine

the obesity program affects everyone. it's a big strain on our entire health care system

unlimited free refills should be the next thing to go.

Originally Posted by troubador

That's not a good analogy. They've banned smoking in public places not because it affects individual health but others. You can't get second hand diabetes.

Also, this only bans certain size containers at certain locations like theaters, delis, restaurants. You'll still be able to walk in to McDonald's get a 16oz cup and refill it as many times as you want or buy two drinks instead of one at a hot-dog stand. This isn't going to solve anything.

The decline and fall of high-fructose corn syrup. - Slate Magazine

So there's every reason to believe that fructose is worse for you than glucose, at least taken pound-for-pound. But it's another thing altogether to suggest that high-fructose corn syrup is worse for you than other caloric sweeteners. Despite its name, HFCS doesn't contain much more fructose than table sugar—the product refined from beets or sugar cane. The stuff we put in our coffee, called sucrose, is a compound of equal parts fructose and glucose, * while the corn syrup used in soft drinks is a mixture of 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. (The sugar ratio in HFCS is about the same as in honey.)...As Tom Philpott points out in Grist, you don't need high-fructose corn syrup to rack up American-style obesity rates: Australia manages similar numbers with a food industry based largely on cane sugar.

Originally Posted by parsifal09

the analogy is fine

the obesity program affects everyone. it's a big strain on our entire health care system

No because the reason they banned public smoking is second hand smoke. Smoking is still legal and that's a big strain on our entire health care system.

Originally Posted by parsifal09

the analogy is fine

the obesity program affects everyone. it's a big strain on our entire health care system

unlimited free refills should be the next thing to go.

The strain on our healthcare system is the obscene profits they make at the expense of everyone that pays for healthcare and pays taxes. That is the strain on the healthcare system.

Saying it's smoking or obesity is utterly ignoring the elephant in the room. Both smoking and obesity are a problem but those aren't what's killing nearly everyone financially.

Besides, there are those that believe what you peddle is unhealthy and should be banned but somehow you aren't backing that. Why?

Originally Posted by troubador

The decline and fall of high-fructose corn syrup. - Slate Magazine

Source.

In other words, the calories in a soft drink don't cause a feeling of fullness in the way that calories from food do, promoting the "passive overconsumption" of calories and sugar.

Publishing their findings in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, researchers from the University of Pennsylvania looked at the effect that high fructose corn syrup has on various hormones that help to regulate hunger [1].

The researchers recruited 12 women of normal weight. On two different days, the women ate the same three meals. After each meal, they received a drink sweetened with either glucose or high fructose corn syrup.

When subjects were given the drink sweetened with high fructose corn syrup, levels of the hormones insulin and leptin were lower than when they drank glucose. Rising insulin and leptin levels trigger a feeling of being "full."

Following the high fructose corn syrup drink, levels of the hormone ghrelin were also higher compared with the glucose drink. A rising ghrelin level is linked with increased feelings of hunger.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Source.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by troubador

What's your point?

That HFCS isn't the same at sucrose. It's worse.

Originally Posted by DOMS

That HFCS isn't the same at sucrose. It's worse.

What you quoted from the study doesn't mention sucrose.

Originally Posted by troubador

What you quoted from the study doesn't mention sucrose.

Sucrose produces a ghrelin response.

The difference betweens HFCS and sucrose is negligible. Fructose is metabolized like alcohol so it is bad in high doses whether it comes from one or the other. If you get it from fruit it is unlikely to be of a dose that causes problems whereas most people could probably exceed the toxic amount 10x over with sucrose or HFCS.

Oh yeah, and fuck the gov't, they have more or less caused the obesity problem by subsidizing shitty food and retarded information, I certainly don't believe they'll have any effect on fixing the situation. This is gonna have to be a personal responsibility issue, there's too much $$$ involved. That weight of the nation documentary on HBO said that if every American cut 100cals/day from their diet it would cost the food industry $35-40billion per year. A couple mill in the pocket of a few politicians and the problem goes away.

Atleast they are acknowledging sugar as a problem

Originally Posted by DOMS

Sucrose produces a ghrelin response.

Show the study comparing the two. There both made of roughly equal portions glucose & fructose so they will metabolize very similarly.

I think the large ones are better because by the time you are half finished the ice has melted and watered down most of the soda content yet you still drink it. The mediums and smaller ones you can suck down faster than the ice melts and you get less water in your system.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I think the large ones are better because by the time you are half finished the ice has melted and watered down most of the soda content yet you still drink it. The mediums and smaller ones you can suck down faster than the ice melts and you get less water in your system.

Didn't you read the comprehensive studies that were done to determine what cup sizes should be limited to? You think they would be so bold as to tell people how big of a cup they can have with nothing to back it up?

Limiting cup size sounds like an analogy someone would come up to show the ridiculousness of limiting gun magazine capacity- "If you limit cup capacity, people won't be able to enlarge as many fat cells at once."... except people are that stupid.