Spreadn' the Wealth - Just Not Within the Family

**Little Wing** · 08-25-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

Only 24.6 Percent Of All Jobs In The United States Are Good Jobs

More Than 100 Million Americans Are On Welfare

GEE, i WONDER if there is a connection

**troubador** · 08-25-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

unfortunately it's all we really have the power to do. your turd is smellier than my turd...

I'm not voting for a turd. I'm voting Ron Paul. I don't care about the 'A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for ..." bullshit. I'm simply done voting for people I don't want in office.

**Luxx** · 08-25-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by troubador

I'm not voting for a turd. I'm voting Ron Paul. I don't care about the 'A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for ..." bullshit. I'm simply done voting for people I don't want in office.

Thank you. I'm voting for Ron Paul too.

**Luxx** · 08-25-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by troubador

I'm not voting for a turd. I'm voting Ron Paul. I don't care about the 'A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for ..." bullshit. I'm simply done voting for people I don't want in office.

http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz

97% Ron Paul

**NVRBDR** · 08-25-2012, 05:34 PM

94% Ron Paul. very cool site! thanks

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Luxx

Thank you. I'm voting for Ron Paul too.

Why on god's green earth would you do that? Ron Paul, in his decades of congressional service, has passed no legislation of consequence.

He knows shit about economics, the constitution, and functional government. What would possess you to think, "Yup, he's the man for the job!"

I really would like to know. I mean this guy talks like we're still on the gold standard, that constitutional jurisprudence is invisible and that proposing legislation is the same thing as passing legislation.

**Swiper** · 08-25-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

the US has some of the lowest tax rates in the OECD. the statutory rate on paper that the anti-taxers always refer to doesn't mean squat it's what company's pay in reality after all their end of year profit hiding tricks and off balance sheet reporting, etc. that matters.

all of the OECD tax information is right on the website. the US has some of the lowest all around taxes in the OECD, while INCREASING the ability for corporations and individuals to avoid taxes while the other country's in the OECD have closed loopholes, etc. tax cuts are the major reason why the US deficit has grown so large since the 80's along with the additional 5T that was added from 2009-2012 from further reduced revenues from the recession. tax cuts that did not benefit the long term economic output of the country but impeded it by increasing inequality and debt for the average US worker.

OECD Statistics (GDP, unemployment, income, population, labour, education, trade, finance, prices,health,debt...)

silly me. i always thought it was the massive govt spending, especially from the huge military expansion from the cold war in the Reagan admin.

So how do you explain the increased revenue that was a direct result from the Bush tax cuts?

"According to historical tables published by the Office of Management and Budget, government revenue shot higher after the Bush tax cuts were enacted. Total federal government receipts rose from $1.782 trillion in 2003 to $2.567 trillion in 2007 ? an increase of $785 billion, or 44 percent. In 2007, the federal deficit shrank to $160 billion"

**Swiper** · 08-25-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Why on god's green earth would you do that? Ron Paul, in his decades of congressional service, has passed no legislation of consequence.

He knows shit about economics, the constitution, and functional government. What would possess you to think, "Yup, he's the man for the job!"

I really would like to know. I mean this guy talks like we're still on the gold standard, that constitutional jurisprudence is invisible and that proposing legislation is the same thing as passing legislation.

So you want politicians to make more laws? i want a politicians to repeal laws.

he got the audit the fed. bill passed. He's one man up against 534 corrupt big govt politicians.

**Luxx** · 08-25-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Why on god's green earth would you do that? Ron Paul, in his decades of congressional service, has passed no legislation of consequence.

He knows shit about economics, the constitution, and functional government. What would possess you to think, "Yup, he's the man for the job!"

I really would like to know. I mean this guy talks like we're still on the gold standard, that constitutional jurisprudence is invisible and that proposing legislation is the same thing as passing legislation.

Obama & Romney are the same in my eyes. We can't keep going the same way with America. I want the war to be over. Obummer & Romney will not end the war that is destroying America. I will not vote for Obama or Romney. If I'm throwing my vote away, I will vote for who I think will help America.

**Luxx** · 08-25-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

So you want politicians to make more laws? i want a politicians to repeal laws.

he got the audit the fed. bill passed. He's one man up against 534 corrupt big govt politicians.

Where's the like button on this app! lol

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 06:09 PM

Which bill is that? The fed is already audited several times a year. Like I said, "Ron Paul is a misguided imbecile."

Other than that, he's a perfect presidential candidate.

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Luxx

Obama & Romney are the same in my eyes. We can't keep going the same way with America. I want the war to be over. Obummer & Romney will not end the war that is destroying America. I will not vote for Obama or Romney. If I'm throwing my vote away, I will vote for who I think will help America.

I agree with you that the war should be stopped. It is and always has been illegal. But Paul would destroy the country with his goofy anti-government, gold standard crapola.

**hypo_glycemic** · 08-25-2012, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Which bill is that? The fed is already audited several times a year. Like I said, "Ron Paul is a misguided imbecile."

Other than that, he's a perfect presidential candidate.

This^^

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

silly me. i always thought it was the massive govt spending, especially from the huge military expansion from the cold war in the Reagan admin.

So how do you explain the increased revenue that was a direct result from the Bush tax cuts?

"According to historical tables published by the Office of Management and Budget, government revenue shot higher after the Bush tax cuts were enacted. Total federal government receipts rose from $1.782 trillion in 2003 to $2.567 trillion in 2007 ? an increase of $785 billion, or 44 percent. In 2007, the federal deficit shrank to $160 billion"

Yes it is common knowledge that cutting tax revenues increases tax revenues. Please take that supply side crap to your local teabagger meetings.

What you are implying is that federal tax revenues would be higher with the tax cuts than the amount raised as if the cuts never occurred.

That's crap. The tax base is always growing, technology is always increasing efficiency and so on. Tax receipts increase largely b/c of that.

Even given that, taxes do not fund the federal government. They haven't for 40 years.

**Little Wing** · 08-25-2012, 06:27 PM

At least the people voting for Ron Paul will be sticking by their beliefs as will those who stick by Romney or Obama... What a freaking mess.

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

At least the people voting for Ron Paul will be sticking by their beliefs as will those who stick by Romney or Obama... What a freaking mess.

There's nothing noble in sticking to foolish beliefs. I know what you're saying.

**Swiper** · 08-25-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Which bill is that? The fed is already audited several times a year. Like I said, "Ron Paul is a misguided imbecile."

Other than that, he's a perfect presidential candidate.

lol. and how much if an audit do u think they do? we can't even see the federal reserved books. not much of an audit uh?

**NVRBDR** · 08-25-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Which bill is that? The fed is already audited several times a year. Like I said, "Ron Paul is a misguided imbecile."

Other than that, he's a perfect presidential candidate.

Negged for being a condescending prick, again. The audit is Restricted, hr 459 limits restrictions.

**Swiper** · 08-25-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

There's nothing noble in sticking to foolish beliefs. I know what you're saying.

so who do u like for potus?

**troubador** · 08-25-2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Which bill is that? The fed is already audited several times a year. Like I said, "Ron Paul is a misguided imbecile."

Other than that, he's a perfect presidential candidate.

"No. The Fed's financial statements are audited annually, but the Fed's monetary policy operations are exempt from audit. Congress? investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), currently is prohibited by law from examining discount window and open market operations; agreements with foreign governments and central banks; and Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) directives. It is precisely this information that should be made public. The American people must know how and why Fed officials expand the money supply and set interest rates. It is not enough for the Fed to provide just an updated balance sheet after crucial decisions and transactions have already occurred. H.R. 459 allows GAO to audit the Fed?s monetary policy operations and directs GAO to report the audit results to Congress."
Audit the Fed

**hoyle21** · 08-25-2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by troubador

I'm not voting for a turd. I'm voting Ron Paul. I don't care about the 'A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for ..." bullshit. I'm simply done voting for people I don't want in office.

Look into Gary Johnson. He is the libertarian party nominee and is close to getting a polling number high enough for federal election money and a place at the debate table.

**irish_2003** · 08-25-2012, 06:59 PM

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...62238101_n.jpg

**troubador** · 08-25-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Look into Gary Johnson. He is the libertarian party nominee and is close to getting a polling number high enough for federal election money and a place at the debate table.

He'd be my second choice. If Johnson had a shot at winning I'd vote for him.

**hoyle21** · 08-25-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by troubador

He'd be my second choice. If Johnson had a shot at winning I'd vote for him.

I'm voting for him. I'm sick of holding my nose while I cast my vote. He won't win, but at least I'm not voting for a shit sandwich.

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

lol. and how much if an audit do u think they do? we can't even see the federal reserved books. not much of an audit uh?

The fed is audited fully by private and public auditors.

They are terrific audits.

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmyusa

Negged for being a condescending prick, again. The audit is Restricted, hr 459 limits restrictions.

Since I'm not an 8 year old child I won't 'neg' you for anything you express. That's your right. You might be an emptyheaded asswipe with no understanding of the topic at hand, but I won't hold you back from you really coming into your own.

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 07:14 PM

Obama. Romney is on both sides of every issue. His VP is an economic and moral midget. There really is no one else in the hunt.

**NVRBDR** · 08-25-2012, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Since I'm not an 8 year old child I won't 'neg' you for anything you express. That's your right. You might be an emptyheaded asswipe with no understanding of the topic at hand, but I won't hold you back from you really coming into your own.

If knowing a topic is thinking like you, another know it all self rightouse liberal jackass with his lips around obamas dick, I'll stay my course.

**ctr10** · 08-25-2012, 07:27 PM

I see Edward has reared his ugly face

**Decker** · 08-25-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by troubador

"No. The Fed's financial statements are audited annually, but the Fed's monetary policy operations are exempt from audit. Congress? investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), currently is prohibited by law from examining discount window and open market operations; agreements with foreign governments and central banks; and Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) directives. It is precisely this information that should be made public. The American people must know how and why Fed officials expand the money supply and set interest rates. It is not enough for the Fed to provide just an updated balance sheet after crucial decisions and transactions have already occurred. H.R. 459 allows GAO to audit the Fed?s monetary policy operations and directs GAO to report the audit results to Congress."
Audit the Fed

What are you talking about? FRB: Does the Federal Reserve ever get audited?

The fed is fully audited. Unless of course its those damn Jews again. You might not like the policy but that's not your call.

This piece of paranoid legislation has zero to do with anything other than Paultards anti-government crusade. Why not just broadcast the occurrences of the oval office on C-span too? Think about that for a second. I know I don't want psychos like Paul influencing monetary policy with threats of GAO auditory sanctions.

Wall Street and its unregulated ilk, which create nothing, crashed our economy. . . not the policy of the Fed. Your dollars are not backed by gold.

..dollars do not exist in the physical world. They are just numbers. Now this may shock you, because nearly everyone believes a dollar bill is a dollar. But it isn?t. It?s just evidence you own a dollar. A dollar bill is a title to a dollar.
If you own a house, the evidence you own it is a paper called a ?title.? But, the paper is not the house. A dollar bill is not a dollar; it is just worth a dollar.
Every day, the US Government Printing Office takes thousands of blank sheets of paper and prints them into sheets and sheets of dollar bills. Are they dollars? No, they are just worthless paper, like the paper your bank gave you.
The printing office sends these worthless dollar bills to banks, to give to people as evidence these people own dollars. But let?s say, on the way to a bank, the truck carrying the dollar bills crashes, and 10 million dollar bills burn up. Has the government lost 10 million dollars? No, because dollar bills are not dollars.
This is important because people often talk about the federal government ?printing? money. But though the government prints dollar bills, it cannot print money. No one can print something that does not physically exist.

And this is important, because it helps you see that dollars are nothing more than accounting balances. Dollars can?t be seen, touched, smelled or tasted. They can?t be stored or shipped.

And all this is important, because it shows why the federal government has the unlimited ability to create dollars and never, never, ever can run short of dollars, if it doesn?t wish to. To create dollars, all the government does is mark up numbers in checking accounts.
?Monetary Sovereignty for Young People, Part 2. What is a dollar? ? #Monetary Sovereignty ? Mitchell

That's for free.

And your concern about agreements with foreign governments is touching,but no foreigners own any part of the Fed. That's Ron Paul paranoia on parade.

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