Thread: Presidential Election 2016

I dunno about Hillary in 2016. She would 70 years old by then. By the way she is going down hill as Secretary of State, she may well be a burned out cinder by then.

FWIW, I believe she would have made a better president than Obama.

obama will retain power and have his puppet in the white house

i like Hillary. if she was running against Obama she is smart enough so it might at least be a contest.

,Clinton for sure......and I think a 'SHOE IN'................1st WOMEN PRESIDENT.......2016..

hillary is level headed. didn't let a little thing like a blow job ruin her marriage. shriver is a shrewd one too. the very day after his term as governor ended she had arnold at a therapists asking if the maid's kid was his.

Lets not forget my little democrat friends that it was the Hillary campaign that started the Obama birth certificate issue.

Clint Eastwood 2016

Very interesting thread.

This may not matter to other but for me, I am thinking of Hillary's age. She was born in 1947 so in 2016 that would put here near 70.

Powerful, yes. Smart, yes.

If you all do not mind, I wonder if she would have been the same, worse or better than BO?

Perhaps it does not matter. They are more similar than different and the potus is surrounded by powerful, entrenched forces.

Cuomo? I'm curious.

Is he that good? Or is it NY and a name?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/ny...it_ur_20121015

Republican Candidates Embrace Cuomo?s Appeal

By THOMAS KAPLAN

As they seek to maintain a power base in Albany, New York?s Republicans have found an unlikely standard-bearer: the state?s Democratic governor, Andrew M. Cuomo.

Mr. Cuomo is pictured warmly on a postcard sent by Senator Patricia A. Ritchie of the North Country, on the Web site of Senator Carl L. Marcellino of Long Island and even in television advertisements for the second-highest-ranking Republican in Albany, Senator Thomas W. Libous of Binghamton. At least a dozen Senate Republicans seeking re-election are trumpeting their bonds with Mr. Cuomo.

The Republicans, outnumbered roughly two to one in the state?s electorate, are hoping that promoting their ability to work with the popular Democratic governor will help them hold on to control of the State Senate, which is their last stronghold in New York.

?All I heard constantly for the last year and a half was people stopping me saying, ?Libous, we like what you?re doing with Cuomo. Keep it up,? ? Mr. Libous said. ?It wasn?t rocket science for me to figure out.?

Mr. Cuomo, who has forged a productive working relationship with the Senate Republican leadership, has given Republicans plenty to work with. He often praises Republican lawmakers effusively when he visits their districts. And although he has endorsed a few Senate Democrats seeking re-election, he has passed up several opportunities to say that he would like to see his party retake control of the Senate ? a seemingly obvious question, but one that is complicated because the Senate Democrats have been tainted by corruption and chaos in recent years.

?I?m going to make my decisions basically the way the people of the state make their decisions ? on a case-by-case basis,? Mr. Cuomo said last Monday as he offered his support for the re-election of a Queens Democrat, Senator Joseph P. Addabbo Jr.

The governor has not objected to Republicans? use of his likeness. ?What I?ve said is, if it?s factually accurate, I don?t have an issue with it,? he told reporters last month. The governor?s top aide, Lawrence S. Schwartz, was more effusive, telling a radio station in Albany on Thursday that ?you see both Democrats and Republicans alike, in a bipartisan fashion, putting the governor?s picture on their mail or running TV ads,? and that ?everybody is jumping on his bandwagon.?

The governor, who, polls indicate, is extraordinarily popular among both Democrats and Republicans in New York, has advocated some measures sought by Republicans, particularly legislation passed last year to cap the annual growth of property taxes and to partially repeal a payroll tax that had helped finance the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

But Mr. Cuomo has also championed ideas opposed by many conservatives: he successfully pressed the Legislature to legalize same-sex marriage and to create a new top tax bracket for the state?s highest earners. And parts of the Democratic agenda have been killed by the Republican-controlled Senate, including a proposal to reduce the impact of the New York Police Department?s stop-and-frisk policy by decriminalizing the open possession of small amounts of marijuana, as well as measures to require the microstamping of guns and to increase the minimum wage.
Senator Michael N. Gianaris, a Queens Democrat who leads his party?s campaign committee, said the Republican embrace of Mr. Cuomo was misleading.

?It?s nothing more than a ruse to try to pull the wool over people?s eyes, because by their actions, they are blocking progress on a host of issues that the governor wants achieved,? Mr. Gianaris said. ?No amount of fancy pictures is going to trick people into believing they stand for the things they actively oppose.?

In one instance ? an Assembly race in the Westchester County district where Mr. Cuomo resides ? the use of the governor?s image has become a campaign issue. The Republican incumbent, Robert J. Castelli, has sent several mailings highlighting his relationship with Mr. Cuomo, including one that made it appear as if he and the governor were running mates: it featured a photograph of the two men, along with the words ?Castelli & Cuomo: Leadership for Westchester County.? The flip side, under the words ?Bipartisan Approach. Real Results,? listed a number of actions supported by both the assemblyman and the governor, like building a replacement for the Tappan Zee Bridge.

Mr. Castelli?s Democratic opponent, David Buchwald, objected, and Democrats sent their own mailer saying, ?Bob Castelli wants you to believe he?s one of us ... but he tells the Tea Party he?s one of them, too.?

?I think he?s tried to confuse voters into thinking that the governor?s endorsed him, and that?s not the case,? Mr. Buchwald, a White Plains councilman, said. He added that he wanted Democrats to know ?that they have a candidate on the Democratic line that represents our values.?

Mr. Castelli made no apology for his use of Mr. Cuomo?s image and name. ?This is not about partisan politics,? he said in an interview. ?When a man is right, we should give him credit for what he?s done right.?

All of the state?s legislative seats are on the ballot in November, and mailings featuring Mr. Cuomo are appearing across New York, in many instances with no mention of the party affiliations of the candidate or the governor. One piece of constituent mail from a first-term Republican state senator from Long Island, Lee M. Zeldin, began by reminding voters of increases in taxes and state spending in 2009 and 2010 ? ?before Andrew Cuomo became our governor and Lee Zeldin became our senator,? it said.

Mr. Zeldin said in an interview that Mr. Cuomo had ?far exceeded expectations? since taking office.

?The governor?s success is our success as New Yorkers, regardless of whether our governor is a member of the same political party as you or a different political party as you,? Mr. Zeldin added. ?We need to root for that man or woman to have as much success as possible. So I want to be able to work with him in order to actually get things done.?

In upstate New York, Senator Michael H. Ranzenhofer, a Republican from Erie County, began a postcard about economic development by saying that he had ?partnered with Governor Cuomo in a bipartisan fashion,? while Senator James L. Seward, a Republican from Otsego County, wrote that private-sector job creation was improving ?due in large part to a new partnership with Governor Cuomo.?

?The reason I include the references to the partnership with Governor Cuomo, and the good working relationship, is because I believe in truth in advertising,? Mr. Seward said. ?And that is the truth. I?ve been in the Senate long enough; I?ve seen the good, the bad and the ugly. And things are good right now.?

Other senators have gone for visual impact. Ms. Ritchie, of the North Country, included a photograph of her that opened with footage of Mr. Cuomo praising the senator at an event ? ?Mark Grisanti, thank you for your leadership,? the governor says ? and concluded with the two men embracing each other.

Perhaps no advertisement was more Cuomo-centric than a , who is the leader of his caucus?s campaign efforts. The spot features three images of Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Libous, who, the narrator says, ?get results? for his Southern Tier constituents.

?I am a very loyal Republican,? said Mr. Libous, who is also the deputy Senate majority leader. ?I?ve been a good Republican all my life. But I?m also an elected official who has been charged by the people who elected me to get things done, and right now, that?s going pretty well in New York.?

Ryan Emerges From Campaign With Higher Profile, 2016 Options - NationalJournal.com

BOSTON ?Paul Ryan won?t be helping Mitt Romney lead the country in a new direction from the White House. But the congressman from Wisconsin, famous for his small-government budget blueprints, has emerged from his first national race with high visibility and a top spot on any list of 2016 presidential prospects.

Ryan's immediate future lies on Capitol Hill. As chairman of the House Budget Committee, he will be making an abrupt transition from the glare of the campaign trail to the back rooms of Capitol Hill as Congress heads into a lame-duck session and negotiations on how to avoid a ?fiscal cliff? of automatic tax increases and spending cuts.

Ryan did win an election on Tuesday night: the race for his House seat in Wisconsin, where state election law allowed him to run concurrently with his vice presidential bid. Unless he resigns from the House--a fate that longtime aides and close confidantes have a hard time imagining--Hill staffers expect he?ll have no trouble obtaining the necessary waiver on term limits to keep his chairmanship in the next Congress.

?I think at the end of the day, he's committed to advancing these ideas in a political forum, which suggests elected office,? said Matthew Spalding, a vice president at the conservative Heritage Foundation and a longtime Ryan friend.
Ryan issued a statement on Wednesday addressing his short-term plans. ?I look forward to spending some time with my family in the coming days and then continuing my responsibilities as chairman of the House Budget Committee and representative of Wisconsin's First Congressional District,? he said, after saying he was ?immensely proud? of the GOP presidential campaign and grateful to nominee Mitt Romney for putting him on the ticket.

There was a time when Ryan considered quitting Congress: in 2006, after Democrats won both chambers. It was a ?gut-check? moment, as one longtime aide described it, and after much soul-searching the episode led Ryan to write his first ?Road Map for America?s Future.? The document marked Ryan?s head-first jump into the sensitive issue of entitlement reform and made him into a popular target for Democrats. But it also made him the intellectual leader of the House Republicans, a stature that will only be enhanced by his vice presidential run and the debt and spending issues at the top of the national agenda.

?With the fiscal cliff issues and everything that?s looming ? he's going to be center stage in the negotiations and at some level will have claim to be titular heir to the Republican Party,? said Steve Schmidt, a GOP strategist who worked on John McCain?s 2008 presidential bid.

The big question that remains, then, is what the next cycle will hold for Ryan. At the request of many conservatives, he explored the possibility of his own presidential bid this year, but ultimately opted to sit out the cycle due to the pressures on his young family--his children are 10, 9, and 7--and a sense that Congress was the best place to change national policies.

He has had no conversations about 2016 among his closest staff, according to a longtime aide who was granted anonymity to speak more freely. If he decides to run, he will do so from a more advantageous position. Close to 40 percent of people hadn?t heard of him before he was nominated; but, according to CNN/ORC polling, that had dropped to single digits within about 10 days. His favorability has stayed the same.

?He's well respected, and he's done a good job as the VP candidate,? said Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol. He predicted that Ryan would start with an edge among the deep bench of Republicans who may consider a run, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. Indeed, Ryan proved to be an effective campaigner who even held audiences captive when he began using a slide show about the rising debt at town halls.

The Romney campaign projected rosy images of Ryan as a legislator in search of bipartisanship, but his appeal at this point is concentrated among conservatives who like his prescriptions, which include steep cuts in taxes and spending, and restructuring Medicare as a voucher program.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the senior Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said that Ryan is a passionate advocate, not a lawmaker who pursues compromise. Both are necessary to tackle the nation?s deficits and debt, he said. ?Will he continue to be the standard-bearer for the Far Rright of the Republican Party, or will he demonstrate a new willingness to work together in order to meet our budget challenges?? Van Hollen asked of Ryan in an e-mail.
It?s a question that underscores the strengths Ryan would bring to a presidential primary race, and the strategic decisions he?ll have to make with an eye on his future.

i predict the american electorate will cast their votes for whichever candidate will get them the most "free" stuff

Jeezus H. Christ. The ink isn't even dry on the ballots and those parasites are already posturing for 2016. Gawd, politicians make me ill.

lol at Hillary. after the Libya shit hits the fan she's done. lying sack of shit.
she tells the parents of the killed in Libya that they're going to go after and arrest the man who made the video. not the people who actually did the killing, the man who made the video. unreal.

Lerts face it,the Benghazi thing is a cover up,the shooting at the Drone doesnt come out until after.less white people voting this time,first president ever to win re-election with less the vote he got the first time.

As long as repubs are pro life, anti women's rights, anti immigration, and anti gay marriage, they'll lose. Especially as the younger make up more of the voting population.

Even if they're correct on fiscal issues, they're way out of sync on social issues.

They need to face the reality that women, Latinos and young people are a huge voting block.

As long as people are unemployed democrats will win. People vote for what is going to benefit them selves and who cares about creating jobs when we get free pay checks.

That's not true, Obama won the women vote, Latino vote, black vote, gay vote, and liberal vote.
Repubs are so whacked on their social views that they alienate themselves w Christian white heterosexual males, which is a shrinking portion of the electorate. They need to adapt to the changing views of gays and abortion rights cause their voters are dying off fast.

This is the first time a president has been reelected w such poor unemployment. It's the social issues and the "cut taxes for the rich" mentality.

The GOP won't nominate Paul Ryan if they learned anything. My prediction for the 2016 GOP nominee...Paul Ryan.

Originally Posted by troubador

The GOP won't nominate Paul Ryan if they learned anything. My prediction for the 2016 GOP nominee...Paul Ryan.

they need to force the christian conservatives out of their party to stand a chance.

both parties are only in it for them selves and not the people. It is turning into a see whose cock is bigger then the other parties then about the people. Obama gives two shits about the American people just as much as Romney does. I voted for Romney based on my hatred for Obama. Only way this country will get turned around is if we get some one that actually knows and respects the constitution.

Originally Posted by exphys88

That's not true, Obama won the women vote, Latino vote, black vote, gay vote, and liberal vote.
Repubs are so whacked on their social views that they alienate themselves w Christian white heterosexual males, which is a shrinking portion of the electorate. They need to adapt to the changing views of gays and abortion rights cause their voters are dying off fast.

Open a few more heartattack cafes and the Republicans won't have anyone to vote for them....

Originally Posted by exphys88

they need to force the christian conservatives out of their party to stand a chance.

this. no one wants to return to the dark ages. i think Romney is shrewd and might have won if he had been able to really say only what he was thinking and not had to mold it to an archaic agenda.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Open a few more heartattack cafes and the Republicans won't have anyone to vote for them....

i don't see how people even want to eat that shit.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largesse out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits, with the result [being] the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

I am just curious how we are going to create jobs, when we are increasing welfare, defense cuts will just send more people on welfare due to downsizing, gov't health care, and all the other free stuff people are now getting. Where is the funding for creating jobs going to come into play?

Also I was disgusted the other day, in class there is a guy who gets 1200$ a month because he has tattoos covering his face that were gang affiliated. He gets that money because he is considered unemployable now.

Chris Christie for the republican nomination. I'd even vote for him. Didn't like him until Sandy leveled part of New Jersey and he was far more concerned with that than he was with campaigning for a douchebag. He earned my respect for that.

Although I'd much rather see a third party candidate win. Need to get the republicans and democrats back in line.