Thread: This is INSANE!!!

That school system is fucked up..................

They're all strolling down the primrose path to the everlasting bonfire!
Cool!

This goes right back to Pianohmann's thread about who's to blame for our school systems being fucked up.

Originally posted by ALBOB
This goes right back to Pianohmann's thread about who's to blame for our school systems being fucked up.

It sure does.....sadly it seems her parents weren`t good enough...never gave the poor thing a chance.......

Originally posted by kuso
It sure does.....sadly it seems her parents weren`t good enough...never gave the poor thing a chance.......

Personally I think people get offended to easily. We can't please everyone nor will we ever be able to. That's the way it is. I don't think she should be punished for wearing the cross because it might offend someone....rubbish!

I hate to disagree with albob cause he looks like dr evil ... but I think since many schools are run by the state it's important to seperate church from state. I think that it's important for teachers to teach math, reading, science, all that gabbly gook, and for religion to be taught at churches, mosques, havens or bars. I don't think a teacher should be banned from teaching for a year for this offense, but I do think that she should have complied with the rules, as easy as it would have been.

I hate a lot of the goofy laws there are, anything to do with political correctness or any of the racist laws (you know, the ones that try to keep the white man down by denying him jobs he's most qualified for based on the color of his skin and gendar, end the oppression!). Anyway, I've seen a lot of cases involving religion in schools, and usually I agree that it's insanely stupid (especially when it involves the kids or singing the pledge of allegiance). Speaking of the pledge what kinda insane idea was it to put god into the pledge, probably seemed like a much better idea in 1954 than it does today.

Originally posted by DanK
I hate to disagree with albob cause he looks like dr evil ... but I think since many schools are run by the state it's important to seperate church from state. I think that it's important for teachers to teach math, reading, science, all that gabbly gook, and for religion to be taught at churches, mosques, havens or bars. I don't think a teacher should be banned from teaching for a year for this offense, but I do think that she should have complied with the rules, as easy as it would have been.

I hate a lot of the goofy laws there are, anything to do with political correctness or any of the racist laws (you know, the ones that try to keep the white man down by denying him jobs he's most qualified for based on the color of his skin and gendar, end the oppression!). Anyway, I've seen a lot of cases involving religion in schools, and usually I agree that it's insanely stupid (especially when it involves the kids or singing the pledge of allegiance). Speaking of the pledge what kinda insane idea was it to put god into the pledge, probably seemed like a much better idea in 1954 than it does today.

Since when has wearing a symbol been an act of teaching? Seems like self expression to me.

Originally posted by ALBOB
This goes right back to Pianohmann's thread about who's to blame for our school systems being fucked up.

The ACLU stikes again!!!

One CANNOT expect people who believe in religious being to not make that being part of their lives.

The only way to avoid this is to hire ONLY athiests to handle EVERY single government job out there.

Separation of Church and State does not mean keeping religions out of public places. It is in place to avoid having laws passed which favor one religion over another.

Oh well. Such is life.

Originally posted by ALBOB
This goes right back to Pianohmann's thread about who's to blame for our school systems being fucked up.

Hardy fuckin' har.

I can turn it around and place blame on parenting. Very easily.

But I'll let you have your little laugh.

Good choice, boy.

That's a pretty evil looking emoticon.

I'm a skeered.

How silly of me to imply that how you act influences others, simply wearing a cross doesn't teach other people anything. Of course, belch out loud one time in front of kids during a meal and just see how many months it takes to get them to stop doing it (3 and still counting... oops), even the way I sit on a couch gets mimicked, it's called leading by example, it happens whether you intend for it to happen or not.

If you say yes to wearing a cross, you also have to say yes to a lot of other things, that includes everything from christianity, to scientology, to devil worship. And if it's OK to wear a religious icon such as the cross, wouldn't it also be OK to wear it upside down, or maybe a ritual dagger, severed head of virgin lamb (assuming that no health codes are being violated and the fresh dripping blood required for proper religious expression is being mopped up in a timely fashion). We can't cater to any religion because we'd have to cater to all religious, and obviously there are some seriously twisted religious out there. Now obviously we have the freedom of expression and religion, but these rules aren't there just to provide a good place to debate, they are there because without the rules, there are problems with no right answers, so we choose to discriminate against all religious, without exception, so as to be fair to all, even those who should be shot for worshipping severed lamb heads (to my knowledge there is no such religion, but I haven't exactly researched it real carefully, and there is probably a really good chance that yes, there is a religion out there that does indeed worship severed lamb heads, and they probably have a congregation of 10 or more). I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that until someone comes up with a better solution that can be fair to all, even the freaks and weirdos, we'll have to have respect for other peoples beliefs and follow the rules, instead of being selfish like this teacher you seem to think is some stoic defender of righteous freedom of expression.

In a perfect world people would be more tolerant of others beliefs and needs for expression, or possibly people would be more respectful of the fact others may not believe the same thing as they do, but this isn't a perfect world, and I can prove it, we're having this discussion. And finally, a right is not a right if it infringes on the rights of others.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

what a shame about that article!!!

Originally posted by Pianomahnn
Hardy fuckin' har.

I can turn it around and place blame on parenting. Very easily.

But I'll let you have your little laugh.

Ummmm.............Sorry to dissappoint you there PM but I wasn't slamming you. I was simply stating that if gives fuel to the argument. I'm not making a statement one way or the other about who's responsible.

Originally posted by DanK If you say yes to wearing a cross, you also have to say yes to a lot of other things, that includes everything from christianity, to scientology, to devil worship.

Nope, sorry, that's called a "Slippery Slope Argument" and by definition, it's invalid. What you're saying is that just because this teacher wears a cross to work we now have to allow devil worship. Rubbish. Pianomahnn has made the best argument so far, "Separation of Church and State does not mean keeping religions out of public places. It is in place to avoid having laws passed which favor one religion over another." Despite the ACLU's best efforts, we ARE allowed to believe in God and we're even allowed to mention his name outside our locked homes with the shades pulled tight.

In certain cases I really like the ACLU's presence.

Many other time, like these, I do not.

It holds a place in my heart the same as PETA. They do a few good things, but more of their actions are complete fuckery.

Originally posted by ALBOB
It is in place to avoid having laws passed which favor one religion over another."

So you don't think that allowing christianity but not devil worship for example is a problem. It doesn't have to be devil worship which is an extreme, it could be wicca or voodoo which are fairly common religions, but I can't imagine schools treating it any different than devil worship.

If you choose to allow christianity in school you can still choose not to allow worshippers of the bloody festering goat head to wear their festering bloody goat heads during school hours because usually bloody festering goat heads are considered a health violation, but if you allow a teacher to wear a cross you'd better come up with a really good reason to disallow a teacher to wear an upside down cross other than it is representative of a religion for stupid people who probably take pleasure in torturing small fluffy animals.

Originally posted by DanK
So you don't think that allowing christianity but not devil worship for example is a problem.

No actually, I don't. I don't think we live in a world where things have to be all or nothing.

Originally posted by DanK
or voodoo

Actually, voodoo just recently became an officialy recognised religion.

Originally posted by kuso
Actually, voodoo just recently became an officialy recognised religion.

In Jamaica.