Thread: Marine inprison in Mexico for a year

he said he came to mexico to shoot cans, they got worried he might mean mexicans

Originally Posted by heckler7

he said he came to mexico to shoot cans, they got worried he might mean mexicans

rofl

Originally Posted by jay_steel

Not sure if this a repost, I was busy with work for a good month, but WTF is going on. I just found out the other day from my uncle that their is a Marine in prison in mexico that is chained to his bed for a YEAR!!! That this marine broke no laws and did every thing legal.

From what I know he went to take a hunting trip checked his rifle in the the US they told him to go to the mexico customs or rep or some thing. He gets there they arrest him. Why was this never brought up during the elections or any thing. Has any one done any thing to get this Marine out?

Our country goes up and arms about detainees in cuba, but we have a Marine that is wrongfully inprisoned in mexico and probably 90% of the population has no clue. This is mind blowing to me, why have we not stepped in and got him back. I feel so bad, because i would know in my mind the first few weeks that my country would be fighting to get me out and I would be out in no time. How is this possible that we allowed this. I may be lost, but this is truly fucked up period.

Taking a guess here...the guy is white, right?

Originally Posted by DOMS

Taking a guess here...the guy is white, right?

if he's white than all he needs to do is pay the right person

Heard about this on the radio a few weeks ago. They also placed him in one of the worst prisons out there... The prisoners are in charge basically. They've tried to extort money from the parents and it's not known how much time he has left. Didn't a seal die in Afghanistan not too long ago trying to save an American doctor? I don't see why they can't rescue this young man.

Originally Posted by heckler7

if he's white than all he needs to do is pay the right person

That's what I was thinking. He was kidnapped...err...I mean "arrested", and now they need to pay the ransom...I mean "fine."

Originally Posted by heckler7

if he's white than all he needs to do is pay the right person

Thats how it works in most of those countries. I had an old friend that was imprisoned in Yemen because his visa expired... Funny how they can track down illegal immigrants in a third world country to deport them, but not here... Anyways, he had to pay money to get a hearing, pay to get decent food, pay to be taken to the prison, and even pay to be deported.

The president sure has no problem calling negotiating with terrorists, but he'll let an American Marine rot in a prison cell on Messico. Sickening.

I thought the Marine escaped.

^^^^ Pfft. Shows what I know. What a crock of ****.

Mexico Will Not Release Marine Vet Jon Hammar, Fate Could be in Hands of Pena Nieto


By Bryan Llenas
December 18, 2012
Fox News Latino


BROWNVILLE, Texas ? Mexican President Enrique Pe?a Nieto has the power to pardon former Marine Jon Hammar if the veteran is convicted ? but it?s unclear whether Mexico?s highest leader would do so.


Hammar?s fate now rest in the hands of a judge ? who will determine whether he is guilty or innocent. If Hammar is convicted of federal charges, his future then lies in the hands of Pe?a Nieto. The president's office did not return phone calls seeking comment.


But experts say don't expect a presidential pardon.


Freeing Hammar could undermine ongoing efforts made by both Pe?a Nieto and the U.S. to modernize Mexico's justice system so that everyone can be treated the same "avoiding deals that only the rich and powerful can make", according to Diana Negroponte, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.


"I would not expect the president to get involved, unless there was some other political exchange to be made," Negroponte said. "Pe?a Nieto will insist on transparency, putting into practice the new judicial system under his reforms and making a real effort to move away from the old inquisitorial Spanish system."


Afterall, Negroponte said, "Do we want to have powerful Mexican politicians calling up and interfering with our justice system?"


While Hammar's future is uncertain, what is clear is this: Hammar will not be home for Christmas.


Hammar, who served two tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, "will remain in detention for the duration of his trial" in Mexico where he faces a felony charge and up to 12 years in one of Mexico's most dangerous prisons, according to a letter written by Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan.


Hammar was arrested on federal charges on the border for entering Mexico on August 15 for possessing his grandfather's antique shotgun, a weapon reserved for military use in Mexico, according to a letter dated December 12, from the ambassador to U.S. Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla). In the letter, the ambassador also notes Hammar's military service but reiterates Mexico's "very stringent gun control laws" particularly "as a result of the weapons illicitly purchased in the U.S. and then trafficked into Mexico."


The letter is a blow to Hammar's lawyer Eddie Varon-Levy and his family who had hoped the case could have been resolved before Hammar's next court date on January 17. Hammar remains in solitary confinement with his right ankle chained to a bed in the administrative offices of the jail in Matamoros, a notoriously dangerous state prison.


"It's devastating. It's incomprehensible, a lot of what he says in that letter is simply not true," Olivia Hammar, the marine's mother, said. "My son, a marine who served two tours of duty, can get a felony and not be able to vote in this country again."


The 27-year-old and his marine friend, Ian Mcdonough, were arrested by Mexican agents on federal charges of possessing a weapon reserved for military use. Hammar and his family said the gun, which he had declared to U.S. border agents, was his great grandfather's antique shotgun. He was taking the gun on a hunting trip in Costa Rica. The U.S. agents then told him to declare the gun with Mexican agents. Hammar did and subsequently both he and his friend Mcdonough were arrested. Mcdonough was let go a few days later because he did not own the gun.


"The fact that he declared to Mexican Customs that he was in possession of the weapon does not preclude arrest and prosecution," the ambassador wrote in the letter given to the Hammar family on Monday.


Regardless of what was declared, the ambassador said, "the sole introduction or possession of this type of weapon (not withstanding its intended use or year of manufacture) constitutes a federal crime in Mexico and is not subject to any prosecutorial discretion."


The Hammar family has denied that the weapon is illegal and point to a letter sent to them from the Secretary of Defense in Mexico dated August 24 that assured the Hammar family the antique shotgun is not a weapon used by the Mexican military.


"Johnny made an administrative mistake. He should have registered the gun in an embassy," the mother said. "He's been detained for months because of a clerical error."


The ambassador's letter also implied that the Hammar family had a chance to plead guilty to a lesser charge, "which would have in all likelihood resulted in his release and repatriation in the United States."


But Hammar said that was simply not true.


"If we ever had a chance to take my son out of that jail months ago, we would have done it," Hammar said.


Ambassador Sarukhan also defended the prison's decision to chain the marine and his placement in solitary confinement in an administrative office as a "security measure" to "ensure his safety" from other inmates, many of whom are cartel members.


"The lack of cells in this area - or of any security measures there - left the authorities with no other choice but to temporarily restrain or limit his movement," the letter said.


The ambassador also suggested that the family had a chance to transfer Hammar to a federal prison "where better conditions would ensure his safety and well being," but said his legal counsel rejected the offer. The ambassador also pointed out that the U.S. Consular officers in Tamaulipas state "have regularly visited him and assisted him."


Olivia denies that they have had a chance to move her son to better conditions. But she told Fox News Latino they did specifically ask the government not to transfer Hammar to another jail because the prison system was going through a series of violent, sometimes deadly jail outbreaks ? and they did not want their son caught up in that.


Rep. Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla) spoke on the floor of the House of Representatives Monday night pleading Congress to act to free Hammar.


"Right now, aside from assuring Jon's immediate return, my main focus is Jon's health and well-being," Ros Lehtinen said in a statement to Fox News Latino. "I want to make sure that Jon is being treated humanely, and has proper access to water, food, and most importantly, access to the medical attention someone who suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder requires. I have reiterated these concerns in a letter to President [Enrique] Pe?a Nieto, and I trust he will do the right thing and see to it that this matter is resolved as quickly as possible."


The family is pleading with the new Mexican president to act on the marine's behalf. According to the Mexican Constitution, if Hammar is convicted of a federal crime, Pe?a Nieto has the power to pardon him.


The ambassador's letter assured the family and the U.S. government that "the government of Mexico is taking this situation very seriously."


"We all seek and strive for expedited justice and a fair resolution of this case. However, the fact that this case has been in process since August is normal given the nature of the felony he has been detained for," the ambassador said, referring to the alleged crime as a "serious offense."


The letter ends with a promise from the ambassador that he will "personally continue to stay engaged on this issue."

From Mexico Will Not Release Marine Vet Jon Hammar, Fate Could be in Hands of Pena Nieto | Fox News Latino

This is pure bull shit, what pisses me off the most is it is like this just happened, he has been in prison for a year and we just no find out about it after the elections. We pay millions of dollars to other countries for bull shit stuff, i would be more than happy for my country to do what ever it takes to get this Marine home. He checked his gun in at US Customs and they are the one that told him what to do... They should take responsibility to pay what ever it takes to get him out, or we need to tell them flat out you either release him or we will be raining hell on earth in your country. Here the united states spends billions on tourism to mexico and they shit on us like this.

'Locked Up Abroad'......some really nasty prisons in Mexico , and being a 'Gringo' [white] ain't going to help....

This is beyond a cluster fuck! As a Jarhead who was in Mexican jails on 3 different occasions, all on bogus charges by the way. And was about to be sent up to their bighouse on my last visit, was found, brought sack lunches and inevitably taken out of those shitholes by the Shore Patrol.

Why this hasn't happened yet is beyond me.

Our gov would rather try and make weapons a wedge issue, the whole time forgetting that their corruption and misspending is the real problem.

Mexico is already piss off at the US because our govt sells ak-47"s to their drug cartel members.

There's something ironic about a president who arms Syrian islamics and Messican cartel members, yet makes a serious push to take away the firearms of American citizens.

this Marine has been captured by Mexico. where's the commander in chief? isn't he suppose to protect is fellow military members?

This blatant choice to ignore a citizen is why I HATE our President. He can give a fuck about any of us, mark my words.

Originally Posted by oufinny

This blatant choice to ignore a citizen is why I HATE our President. He can give a fuck about any of us, mark my words.

He was there is a flash for that black man who had an altercation with a couple of police officers. Even though the black man was at fault.

If he was black and on welfare he would be out by now, for Obama this was just another vote against him.

He supposed to be released tomorrow. Thats what i heard on the radio.

Originally Posted by oufinny

This blatant choice to ignore a citizen is why I HATE our President. He can give a fuck about any of us, mark my words.

you think Reagan carried about you? GHWB and GWB? elites regardless of political affiliation have always had contempt for the working class. it's how and why they do the things to the working class and can still go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning feeling good about themselves.

Originally Posted by LAM

you think Reagan carried about you? GHWB and GWB? elites regardless of political affiliation have always had contempt for the working class. it's how and why they do the things to the working class and can still go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning feeling good about themselves.

Reagan has one thing that backs up his claim though the Iran Contra. What ever he did got those guys out ASAP. You can look or google what ever conspiracy you wants but one thing or another those guys got home ASAP with Reagan. If Obama really cared this would have been a public notice fast. This is important news that should have been posted all over. In stead the news it self is hell bent on publishing things that will further divide and build hatred between America. We need to take care of the people that deserve help.

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i hope good comes from this and I hope he is treated as a POW because he was wrongfully convicted and possibly due to the status of him being a Marine. Reason is he was not eligible for promotion while he was in prison, but a POW is automatically promoted if they would have been eligible and are provided pay for the months captured. I would hate to see him separated or put in a hardship due to this.

Originally Posted by jay_steel

i hope good comes from this and I hope he is treated as a POW because he was wrongfully convicted and possibly due to the status of him being a Marine. Reason is he was not eligible for promotion while he was in prison, but a POW is automatically promoted if they would have been eligible and are provided pay for the months captured. I would hate to see him separated or put in a hardship due to this.

I will write scathing letters to the highest powers that be that will put me on the Secret Service watchlist if that shit happens...

Originally Posted by jay_steel

Not sure if this a repost, I was busy with work for a good month, but WTF is going on. I just found out the other day from my uncle that their is a Marine in prison in mexico that is chained to his bed for a YEAR!!! That this marine broke no laws and did every thing legal.

From what I know he went to take a hunting trip checked his rifle in the the US they told him to go to the mexico customs or rep or some thing. He gets there they arrest him. Why was this never brought up during the elections or any thing. Has any one done any thing to get this Marine out?

Our country goes up and arms about detainees in cuba, but we have a Marine that is wrongfully inprisoned in mexico and probably 90% of the population has no clue. This is mind blowing to me, why have we not stepped in and got him back. I feel so bad, because i would know in my mind the first few weeks that my country would be fighting to get me out and I would be out in no time. How is this possible that we allowed this. I may be lost, but this is truly fucked up period.

I already saw that movie