Thread: NY Gun Ban Bill Forgets to Exempt Police

What a hypocrite! Everyone should follow the ban, especially police! They cant hit the side of a barn standing right in front it. It will protect innocent bystanders.

the bill is fine the way it is even though I don't agree with at all. why should cops have the advantage? they're nothing more than public servants that constantly abuse their powers. And when they do abuse them maybe then a lucky citizen can properly defend himself/herself from this tyrannical govt servant.

Fuck da police and monkey ass douche cuomo, If you really think 7 rounds are enough, then make it the same law for everyone. When the domestic forces of government (state/federal LEOs, etc.) are in a separate legal class from private citizens under laws governing firearms, even unto retirement, and private citizens have LESS access to firepower than domestic forces controlled by the government? how is that not a bald-faced violation of the Second Amendment?

Seriously, WTF?

Apparently Cuomo has never been in a gun fight. I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever been in one has never cursed himself for having too much ammo.

"Oh, fuck! I was carrying more ammo than I needed!" - Nobody

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Apparently Cuomo has never been in a gun fight. I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever been in one has never cursed himself for having too much ammo.

"Oh, fuck! I was carrying more ammo than I needed!" - Nobody

Funny, I just came across an article which contained this quote:

I understand the benefit of a high capacity magazine in the need for protection,? Cuomo said. ?On the other hand, I understand the danger of a high capacity in the hands of someone who is mentally ill? I?m saying, on balance, the assault weapon is not worth the danger.?

Cuomo: Gun Law Isn’t Divisive

My favorite thing regarding round capacity involves the woman in Georgia who shot the home invader to protect herself and her two kids. She emptied the revolver at him, hitting him five times and he was still able to get up and try to get away. Since not all home invaders work alone, what if there was a second guy? She's out of bullets. Luckily there was just the one dirtbag.

In the late 1980s, more than two decades after the AR-15 was first sold to the American public, the anti-gun lobby began a systematic campaign to conflate it and other "military-style" firearms with machine guns. The media followed suit, and soon the American public began to think that an assault weapon was, like the assault rifles it resembled, a machine gun.

Because assault rifles were already banned, and because an outright ban on semi-automatic weapons wasn't considered politically feasible, the AWB defined assault weapons as semi-automatic firearms that shared too many cosmetic features with their fully automatic counterparts.

...despite the fact that none of these "military-style" features enhanced the weapon's lethality.

According to the Department of Justice, the firearms that the AWB would ban were used in only 2% of gun crimes.

Nevertheless, the AWB's passage was aided by the fact that many Americans believed the bill would ban machine guns and "weapons of war", something that had, in fact, already been banned.

The AWB also banned magazines having a capacity higher than ten rounds. This limitation on magazine capacity applied to all firearms, not just so-called assault weapons.

In 1999, five years into the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, the Columbine High School massacre occurred. One of the perpetrators, Eric Harris, was armed with a Hi-Point 995.

Undeterred by the ten-round capacity of his magazines, Harris simply brought more of them: thirteen magazines would be found in the massacre's aftermath. Harris fired 96 rounds before killing himself.


At Virginia Tech in 2007, Seung-Hui Cho once again showed the futility of regulating magazine capacity when he carried nineteen ten- and fifteen-round magazines in his backpack as part of a carefully planned massacre.
Cho used seventeen of the magazines and fired approximately 170 rounds?or ten rounds per magazine?from two handguns before killing himself.
Like Eric Harris before him, Cho demonstrated that a magazine's capacity was incidental to the amount of death and injury an unopposed murderer could cause in a "gun-free zone".
Although the Virginia Tech massacre was and remains the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, it resulted in relatively few calls for new gun control, possibly because so-called assault weapons were not used.

It has been estimated that at least 3.3 million AR-15 rifles were sold in the United States between 1986 and 2009. In its ubiquity, the AR-15 is a modern musket?the default rifle with which law-abiding Americans exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

The AR-15 is particularly favored for its modularity, accuracy, light weight, and low recoil?attributes that make it ideal not only for shooting sports but also armed self defense.

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The truth about assault weapons is that there is no such thing. So-called assault weapons are semi-automatic weapons, which are the firearms of choice for millions of law-abiding Americans.




To ban certain semi-automatic weapons because of their cosmetic features is misguided. To ban all semi-automatic weapons is to deprive Americans of the most commonly used firearms in violation of the Second Amendment.

A ban on so-called assault weapons is the first step
toward a ban on all semi-automatic firearms
.

Contact your legislators, and tell them the truth about assault weapons.

parts bolded by me

Dear Marcia:

Thank you for sharing your views on the nation's gun laws with me. We were all shaken to the core by the recent shooting in Newtown, Connecticut and my thoughts and prayers continue to be with the families who lost their loved ones that day.

The idea that someone would arm themselves for an attack on a school is unthinkable and should offend every responsible gun owner in America. Other communities across the country have had to endure similar attacks in their schools, movie theaters, shopping malls, and grocery stores. This is completely unacceptable, and I agree that a national conversation about curbing violence in American is long overdue.

I have heard from Mainers on all sides of this issue in the weeks following the tragedy in Newtown. Some have called for stricter restrictions on the availability of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Others have cautioned against undue infringements on their constitutionally protected rights. As actions are proposed on the state and federal level, I believe that this is a time for Americans to come together in cooperation rather than confrontation.

Like most Americans, I was eager to hear the President?s proposals on this subject, based on the analysis and recommendations of Vice President Biden?s interagency taskforce. This group spent a month meeting with gun control advocates, gun rights advocates, law enforcement, mental health care professionals, educators, and the entertainment industry. While I may not agree with every proposal put forward by the President, I appreciate that his suggestions approach the problem of violence from a number of different perspectives.



Maine's hunting and sporting traditions are an important part of the state's identity, and I will continue to support the constitutional rights of our law-abiding gun owners. I agree that Congress and the Federal government must do more to better enforce our gun laws so that the wrong people can?t get their hands on firearms. This means ensuring our law enforcement have the resources they need to track down illegal guns and protect our communities.

I am supportive of proposals to increase the number of resource officers, psychologists, social workers, and counselors in our schools. I have long supported measures that would increase resources to help our students resolve emotional, social, or behavioral problems. In the 112th Congress, I was a cosponsor of the Put School Counselors Where They?re Needed Act, which would have established a grant program to help schools hire more school counselors.

I am pleased that the President called on Congress to address our nation?s persistent problems with mental illness. While the vast majority of Americans with mental illnesses are not violent, the recent incidents of mass violence underscore the need to improve early detection and access to treatment for individuals that could be a danger to themselves or others. Health care experts have long forecasted a greater need for quality mental health services, and I agree that more needs to be done on this issue.

I am continuing to carefully review the President?s proposals, as well as a number of bills that have been introduced in Congress to address the issue of violence in the United States. No political group is going to control my vote as these bills advance though the legislative process. Instead, I will continue to rely on your thoughtful comments.

Thank you again for sharing your views with me. In addition, I also provide occasional email updates on a range of issues affecting people in Maine. If you would like to receive this information, please visit my website at https://michaud.house.gov/contact-mike/newsletter and sign up for my email newsletter. I appreciate the opportunity to represent Maine in Congress.

With warmest regards,



Michael H. Michaud
Member of Congress


In my letter I had reacted to the scapegoating of guns and video games when this is, I think, mainly a mental healthcare issue.

mental healthcare in the US blows, it's a total joke. and it's been that way since good old red ronnie reagan closed all the federally funded state mental hospitals in the 80's.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

A ban on so-called assault weapons is the first step
toward a ban on all semi-automatic firearms
.

How many times have we heard "No one's coming for your guns", "No one wants to ban all buns", or "I don't want to ban guns but...". That's all an AWB is, a marketable gun ban. It's certainly not for public safety or their priorities would lie elsewhere, like with hammers. The common counter argument would be that "well no one murders 20 children with a hammer". This is the 50th year AR-15s have been available to the public in one form or another. Most mass murders occur with other weapons including VT which was the deadliest school shooting. A couple of the last shootings used an AR-15 but this is statistically meaningless in the sense that there's some meaningful correlation between this gun and well, anything. It's like avoiding the state of Nebraska because the last two people that died from a lightening strike died in Nebraska and you don't want to die from a lightening strike.

Originally Posted by LAM

mental healthcare in the US blows, it's a total joke. and it's been that way since good old red ronnie reagan closed all the federally funded state mental hospitals in the 80's.

Yes and what is even worse is the stigma that comes with it. All the stuff you will not be able to do once you check that "mental health issue" box, deters allot of people from seeking help in the first place. all mental illnesses are put under the same hat, "crazy" even though most mental issues do not make a person dangerous to himself or others.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Apparently Cuomo has never been in a gun fight. I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever been in one has never cursed himself for having too much ammo.

"Oh, fuck! I was carrying more ammo than I needed!" - Nobody

^Hell Yes, this right here! When I was in the military I use to carry "lucky number" 13 magazines(m4) on my person(a few in my bag), at least 16 shotgun rounds on me(w shotgun loaded), multiple types of grenades and m203 ammo. Was it heavy...hell yes. But I would rather have that load and not need it, then need it and not have it. And believe me, all that ammo was put to good use most days.

Originally Posted by Gissurjon

Yes and what is even worse is the stigma that comes with it. All the stuff you will not be able to do once you check that "mental health issue" box, deters allot of people from seeking help in the first place. all mental illnesses are put under the same hat, "crazy" even though most mental issues do not make a person dangerous to himself or others.

Once you're "officially" labelled crazy somewhere it's near impossible to undo it.

Originally Posted by LAM

mental healthcare in the US blows, it's a total joke. and it's been that way since good old red ronnie reagan closed all the federally funded state mental hospitals in the 80's.

Love your hatred for ronald reagan, but please shut the fuck up, and stop bringing him up at every turn when it has nothing to do with it. Mental health care has been a problem forever in this country. since before it's founding. at no point in the history of the US have we done a good job with those who have mental health issues. pre, or post Ronald Reagan. Mostly because there are so few good psychologists/psychiatrists out there, and mental health is not really well understood.

NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns


http://www.thecommentator.com/articl...cation_of_guns

They keep saying gun owners are paranoid that the government is trying to take their guns. Apparently stating "We support the second amendment but.." or "We don't want to ban guns but..." in front of every statement where you express your desire to ban guns actually fools people.

If you really think about it all of this is mind boggling. Anything can be an assault weapon. ie: a fork, a spoon, a chair, a bunch of quarters in a sock. etc. etc.

"Assault" definition in dictionary:
as?sault

[uh-sawlt]

noun
1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught: an assault on tradition.


2. Law. an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.


3. Military. the stage of close combat in an attack.


4.rape¹.



verb (used with object)

5. to make an assault upon; attack; assail.

These asses love there frigging rhetoric, i really despise politicians. They make me sick! and as for Weapon, anything you can use to harm another is considered a weapon.

Originally Posted by troubador

NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns


NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns - The Commentator

They keep saying gun owners are paranoid that the government is trying to take their guns. Apparently stating "We support the second amendment but.." or "We don't want to ban guns but..." in front of every statement where you express your desire to ban guns actually fools people.

Went to you tube and read some of the comments, this one in particular,

If the Dem hadn't seen the list, how does he know it would impact any compromise? There's a word for the claim that he hadn't seen it - that word is "lying".