Colorado Democrats Want Gun Manufacturers To Pay For Crimes Committed With Their Guns

**secdrl** · 02-07-2013, 06:20 PM

The owners and makers of assault-style weapons could soon be held legally liable in Colorado for crimes committed with their guns, if sponsors of a new gun-control package have their way.
State Democrats unveiled the broad package of measures this week, joined by gun violence survivors from the Columbine, Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings.
The eight bills detailed at a press conference Tuesday tackle gun control as well as mental health issues tied to gun violence. Among them are measures to put universal background checks in place for private gun sales and a bill to ban sales of high-capacity ammunition magazines.
But getting the most attention is the gun manufacturer-liability measure.
?This is the most aggressive anti-gun legislation ever floated in the country,? Republican Sen. Greg Brophy told FoxNews.com Thursday. ?To hold everybody in the entire chain of possession responsible for a crime committed by one person? The manufacturer, dealer and owners? That?s equivalent to blaming Coors for a drunk driver and the 7-Eleven after someone steals a 12-pack.?
The proposal would hold manufacturers of firearms, as well as sellers, responsible for crimes committed with those guns. The measure apparently conflicts with an existing federal law, but Democrats in the state reportedly say they want to get that federal law repealed.
Republicans say the gun liability measure would effectively ban those weapons because manufacturers and retailers would be afraid to sell them.
While Democrats hold a majority in both state houses, though, getting the sweeping series of bills passed will be an uphill battle.
Colorado has taken center stage in the country?s fight over gun control. David Keene, the head of the National Rifle Association, is in Denver to meet with Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper and Senate President John Morse.
Keene called universal background checks a political "sweet spot," during an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday. He added that the current background check systems are underfunded and that forcing them on private sales would be logistically difficult.
Colorado?s governor has said in the past he supports background checks, but he has remained publicly quiet about the legislative package introduced earlier this week.
?The governor is hiding under his desk when it comes to answering the hard questions,? Brophy said. ?It took me 30 seconds to figure out what the plans do. The governor shouldn?t be given a pass. He needs to address the issue.?

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**Swiper** · 02-07-2013, 08:14 PM

while they're at it, how about having the car manufactures pay the victims of crimes where a car was used.

**secdrl** · 02-07-2013, 08:18 PM

Well, that would be a devastating argument to their anti-gun agenda. So, I doubt that'll happen.

**Standard Donkey** · 02-07-2013, 08:36 PM

they should hold doctors responsible for the crimes committed by the babies they delivered

**troubador** · 02-07-2013, 09:18 PM

Video footage of the democrats introducing the legislation.

**Zaphod** · 02-07-2013, 10:02 PM

How about going after alcohol makers for deaths and injuries from drunk driving? Guns are not made with the sole purpose of killing people, alcohol is made for the sole purpose of getting inebriated.

**secdrl** · 02-07-2013, 10:39 PM

All good points. It's unfortunate that firearms are being demonized in the manner that they are. A firearm is an inanimate object. It can do NO harm without assistance from an individual. My AR and AK have been locked up in the safe for 30+ days and they haven't walked out and massacred anyone.

**exphys88** · 02-07-2013, 10:49 PM

Sounds like BS to me, it is Fox News after all. I find it hard to believe that gun manufacturers would be held reliable, but then again, Fox News viewers aren't exactly the thinking type.

**LAM** · 02-08-2013, 01:10 AM

it looks like they want to get the following legislation repealed. that will never happen as the US fed gov works for the markets and not against them....next

15 USC Chapter 105 - PROTECTION OF LAWFUL COMMERCE IN ARMS | Title 15 - Commerce and Trade | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-...05-sec7901.pdf

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by exphys88

Sounds like BS to me, it is Fox News after all. I find it hard to believe that gun manufacturers would be held reliable, but then again, Fox News viewers aren't exactly the thinking type.

11 years straight in dominating cable news ratings. (Nielsen)

11 years is a long time. Now, you could argue that the majority are the ones 'out of reality,' or, you could use a little common sense and realize that most news viewers think Fox is the most accurate/unbiased in their reporting. I didn't say non biased, I said most accurate.

You don't dominate rankings for 11 years if you suck.

**LAM** · 02-08-2013, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by secdrl

Now, you could argue that the majority are the ones 'out of reality,' or, you could use a little common sense and realize that most news viewers think Fox is the most accurate/unbiased in their reporting. I didn't say non biased, I said most accurate.

Fox "news" viewers are also the most uninformed. that could only be possible if the information being put out to them is inaccurate. ideological driven news doesn't provide accurate information it delivers propaganda.

as a recent example look at how Fox totally blew the election. there's only one way something like that becomes possible, disregard data and spew BS over the air waves.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...w=1024&bih=599

**bio-chem** · 02-08-2013, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by exphys88

Sounds like BS to me, it is Fox News after all. I find it hard to believe that gun manufacturers would be held reliable, but then again, Fox News viewers aren't exactly the thinking type.

What exactly are you calling BS on? Are you saying that state Democrats in Colorado are not wanting to introduce legislation which would hold gun manufactures liable? Care to show evidence that this article is false other than blindly calling BS?

**exphys88** · 02-08-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by secdrl

11 years straight in dominating cable news ratings. (Nielsen)

11 years is a long time. Now, you could argue that the majority are the ones 'out of reality,' or, you could use a little common sense and realize that most news viewers think Fox is the most accurate/unbiased in their reporting. I didn't say non biased, I said most accurate.

You don't dominate rankings for 11 years if you suck.

They dominate cause old fat white men like to sit and watch tv all day. The reality is that the viewpoint that they have is shared by a shrinking minority even if they do have good ratings, hence the crybaby response at the last election failure.

**jagbender** · 02-08-2013, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by exphys88

They dominate cause old fat white men like to sit and watch tv all day. The reality is that the viewpoint that they have is shared by a shrinking minority even if they do have good ratings, hence the crybaby response at the last election failure.

Might want to check your demographics

Section 3: Demographics and News Sources | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

Fox "news" viewers are also the most uninformed. that could only be possible if the information being put out to them is inaccurate. ideological driven news doesn't provide accurate information it delivers propaganda.

as a recent example look at how Fox totally blew the election. there's only one way something like that becomes possible, disregard data and spew BS over the air waves.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...w=1024&bih=599

Coming from the guy who says that he gets NO information from media outlets. Only personal knowledge and research...

**Jimmyinkedup** · 02-08-2013, 01:44 PM

Is Anheuser Busch now going to be responsible for the damages from dui's?
Oh wait its Colorado maybe it will be Coors footing the bill.

**KelJu** · 02-08-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

11 years straight in dominating cable news ratings. (Nielsen)

11 years is a long time. Now, you could argue that the majority are the ones 'out of reality,' or, you could use a little common sense and realize that most news viewers think Fox is the most accurate/unbiased in their reporting. I didn't say non biased, I said most accurate.

You don't dominate rankings for 11 years if you suck.

The majority is out of touch and always has been. The majority watches American Idol and Jersey Shore. The majority is ignorant and lazy. The majority has decided that critical thinking isn't necessary since more people than not already agree with them.

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

The majority is out of touch and always has been. The majority watches American Idol and Jersey Shore. The majority is ignorant and lazy. The majority has decided that critical thinking isn't necessary since more people than not already agree with them.

That's right, I forgot CNN and MSNBC viewers are the critical thinkers. They're getting ass raped in ratings, but they're the critical thinkers/reporters.

**hoyle21** · 02-08-2013, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

That's right, I forgot CNN and MSNBC viewers are the critical thinkers. They're getting ass raped in ratings, but they're the critical thinkers/reporters.

Critical thinkers have always been a strong minority in this world. Sheep are everywhere.

**Supreme Allah** · 02-08-2013, 02:44 PM

Obama will protect us

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Supreme Allah

Obama will protect us

negged.

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Critical thinkers have always been a strong minority in this world. Sheep are everywhere.

How can you even begin to defend these other 'news outlets?' I think in the last 6 months, between CNN and MSNBC, they've been caught more than 40 times editing tapes, false reporting, etc.

**bio-chem** · 02-08-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Critical thinkers have always been a strong minority in this world. Sheep are everywhere.

And it seems every time i'm logged on here i come across more and more of your posts

**bio-chem** · 02-08-2013, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

How can you even begin to defend these other 'news outlets?' I think in the last 6 months, between CNN and MSNBC, they've been caught more than 40 times editing tapes, false reporting, etc.

It would be nice if CNN would stop lying to their readers and continuing to say that an AR was used in sandyhook, but then again 2 months after the attack false reporting is kinda their standard. Hell CNN yellow journalism, and piers morgan are together like peanut butter and jelly

**jay_steel** · 02-08-2013, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by exphys88

They dominate cause old fat white men like to sit and watch tv all day. The reality is that the viewpoint that they have is shared by a shrinking minority even if they do have good ratings, hence the crybaby response at the last election failure.

I watch it every morning, while eating my eggs, I may be white, but I know im not fat... Some times I like to get my shotgun out and watch it and stroke it while watching.

**hoyle21** · 02-08-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

How can you even begin to defend these other 'news outlets?' I think in the last 6 months, between CNN and MSNBC, they've been caught more than 40 times editing tapes, false reporting, etc.

Where was it I defended MSNBC or CNN again?

**secdrl** · 02-08-2013, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Where was it I defended MSNBC or CNN again?

I guess I assumed with your bashing of Fox, you supported the other outlets.

**hoyle21** · 02-08-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

I guess I assumed with your bashing of Fox, you supported the other outlets.

Nope, they are also a bunch of ass clowns. The difference is nobody watches MSNBC.

**exphys88** · 02-08-2013, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by bio-chem

What exactly are you calling BS on? Are you saying that state Democrats in Colorado are not wanting to introduce legislation which would hold gun manufactures liable? Care to show evidence that this article is false other than blindly calling BS?

I meant its bs to even worry about such nonsense.

**KelJu** · 02-08-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by secdrl

That's right, I forgot CNN and MSNBC viewers are the critical thinkers. They're getting ass raped in ratings, but they're the critical thinkers/reporters.

Did I say a anything about CNN and MSNBC or the viewers that watch it? Who are you arguing with?

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