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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    I agree with you, Clinton was a HORRIBLE military leader downsized many bases and doing the same shit Obama is doing. Sent allot of troops home, his mistake with somalia and ect.
    it's called Defense Base Closure and Realignment (BRAC ), it started in the 80's and it's still going on today. how could you be ex-military and not know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Donkey View Post
    it's not irrational
    may as well turn gay then
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Sources: Obama, Romney

    Total donated from large institutions:

    Obama: $388,280,567
    Romney: $356,922,398

    I'll leave the math, and its relevance, to you.
    Which just goes to show that it would not matter if the outcome of the election were different. Unless, of course, a third party candidate won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    Which just goes to show that it would not matter if the outcome of the election were different. Unless, of course, a third party candidate won.
    still wouldn't matter...doesn't change anything about lobbying and the influence that capital has on "democracy" in the US. one person or even a couple of good people can't change jack shit. the entire system is fundamentally corrupt, it is by design. there's a reason why no other democratic country in the world allows lobbying to any degree near that of the US, the only outcome could be the dysfunctional system that we have today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exphys88 View Post
    Clinton years-great economy

    Bush years-worst financial crash since Great Depression, 9/11, Iraq war-5,000 dead soldiers for no reason

    Obama years-unemployment rates dropping, stock market growing, housing market growing.

    Seems like a strong argument for a liberal president...
    the obuma year WTF where you been getting your info from..just look at downtown phoenix

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    it's called Defense Base Closure and Realignment (BRAC ), it started in the 80's and it's still going on today. how could you be ex-military and not know this.
    This has nothing to do with BRAC, Obama has reduced military spending that ships that are suppose to be in the AOR right now protecting our seas are unable to deploy. The reserve force is downsizing, people are losing retirements, medical benifits, and ect. Advancement has gone to the waste, and even treatment that military members use to be able to recieve are being denied. So if that helps you sleep at night for shitting on our troops then so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_steel View Post
    This has nothing to do with BRAC, Obama has reduced military spending
    according to whom exactly?

    "The FY 2012 budget requests a total of $676 billion for the Department of Defense (DoD). The base budget for DoD includes $553 billion in discretionary funding and $5 billion in mandatory funding, and an additional $118 billion is requested for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The budget request also includes $19 billion for defense-related atomic energy programs and $8 billion for defense-related activities in other agencies, bringing the total national defense budget to $703 billion. Separately, the budget includes $129 billion for veterans? benefits and services through the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    The FY 2012 request grows the base defense budget by 3.0 percent in real terms from the level enacted in FY 2011. The war funding requested for FY 2012 is 27 percent less than the amount enacted for FY 2011, bringing it to the lowest level seen since FY 2005. The Future Years Defense Program (FYDP) submitted with the budget projects continued growth in the base defense budget through FY 2016, albeit at a slower rate than previously projected. The Department?s cumulative base budget over the FY 2012 FYDP is $78 billion less (in then-year dollars) than planned in the FY 2011 FYDP, a 2.6 percent reduction. While still allowing the base budget to grow, this represents the first significant reduction from one year?s FYDP to the next since FY 1996.

    Adjusting for inflation, the level of funding proposed for the base defense budget in the FY 2012 request is the highest level since World War II, surpassing the Cold War peak of $531 billion (in FY 2012 dollars) reached in FY 1985. However, total national defense spending as a percent of GDP (measured using outlays rather than budget authority) is 4.7 percent in the FY 2012 budget request, below the post-World War II average of 6.3 percent. When measured as a fraction of overall federal government spending, national defense funding is 19 percent of the FY 2012 request, compared to an average level of 21 percent since FY 1976. Together, these three metrics indicate that defense spending is at a high level by historical standards but is affordable given the size of the U.S. economy and is consistent with modern-day norms as a portion of overall federal spending."

    Analysis of the FY2012 Defense Budget | CSBA
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