Thread: Squirrel hunters breed Seriel killers! LMFOA

boy thats got to be one heck of a feeling of acomplishment to kill a squirell. Probably akin to climing everest

Wait, i'm getting mixed signals here. You want NY'ers to turn in their weapons but you want them to hunt squirrel ?

with what, a straw and some spit wads!

It's ironic these eco-nuts and animal rights activists protest hunting, which is one of the most natural activities you can do. It's only their removal from nature that allows them to hold these beliefs. It would be a different story if they were living in the wilderness.

As a kid I would go out with my gramps and bag dinner. I grew up eating squirrel. It tastes like, squirrel.

Originally Posted by troubador

It's ironic these eco-nuts and animal rights activists protest hunting, which is one of the most natural activities you can do. It's only their removal from nature that allows them to hold these beliefs. It would be a different story if they were living in the wilderness.

The hunting that man does is completely un natural. In ALL of nature, predators hunt the sick ans weak, keeping a herd healthy and creating a balance. Man hunts the biggest trophy animal with the biggest horns or claws. Man will also hunt an animal till its gone.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

The hunting that man does is completely un natural. In ALL of nature, predators hunt the sick ans weak, keeping a herd healthy and creating a balance. Man hunts the biggest trophy animal with the biggest horns or claws. Man will also hunt an animal till its gone.

So are you against hunting?

Originally Posted by Zaphod

So are you against hunting?

I would not say Im against hunting entirely no . I do however think there are certain ideas about it that I do not like. Hunting should not be considered a sport , hunting should not be a hobby. Hunting should be what it has been since man began and that is a means to collect food.
I have done it, but it was a long time ago (about 20 years) but even then I knew what I had done did not make me feel proud. Although we used some of the meat, it was nothing I needed to survive.

Do you disagree with my statements ? Particularly the one about how "natural" hunting is.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

The hunting that man does is completely un natural. In ALL of nature, predators hunt the sick ans weak, keeping a herd healthy and creating a balance. Man hunts the biggest trophy animal with the biggest horns or claws. Man will also hunt an animal till its gone.

Oh wow. Negative. Predators only hunt the sick and weak? Thats insane. I've witnessed otters kill every fish in a pond, completely empty it, and find fish carcass barely eaten. They kill, its what they do. I would even say that the majority of animals are opportunistic hunters. If a small animal were within striking distance of a bear (black/brown/polar) it will kill it 99% of the time.
Hunting is natural for animals and, we humans, are animals after all. Its a fundamental instinct, much like every other one we have. We are hunters and gatherers.
If you want to cry and weep for the passing of these cute, cuddily animals than that is your emotional bucket to carry. Don't try and push your weakness on me. But maybe we all don't have the instinct ingrained in us, maybe you're not a hunter...maybe you are a gatherer? So go pick some fucking berries.

obviously too stupid to even understand what I wrote, so certainly not smart enough to understand anything about instinct whether it be animal or human.
Being an opportunistic hunter and having hunting as your hobby has nothing to do with each other. I have been in the water with some of the greatest predators of the sea, and no opportunity was siezed. Almost NO animal kills for "sport" or pleasure.
As far as bears taking a swipe, No if they are fed they dont unless its in defense. I have seen black bears next to squirells and deer, so dont try to paint a picture of these lethal animals to make your self feel more brave for hunting them.
And its not weeping for the cute cuddly animals, its laughing at the mighty hunter who thinks somehow he has become in tune with nature with his little cammo outfit and bottle of deer piss. I'll go pick berries with your wife, hows that ?

Originally Posted by niviceaas

The hunting that man does is completely un natural. In ALL of nature, predators hunt the sick ans weak, keeping a herd healthy and creating a balance. Man hunts the biggest trophy animal with the biggest horns or claws. Man will also hunt an animal till its gone.

Hunting is a natural activity, regardless of the aspects you nit pick over. Yet, it's hunters who have lead the strongest conservation efforts. Now, private land owners are big into herd management. We also have had efforts to return animals to regions they originally lived. Your view of hunters is misinformed.

Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation > Conservation > How We Conserve > Elk Restoration

Conserving Hunters - National Geographic Magazine

Originally Posted by troubador

Hunting is a natural activity, regardless of the aspects you nit pick over. Yet, it's hunters who have lead the strongest conservation efforts. Now, private land owners are big into herd management. We also have had efforts to return animals to regions they originally lived. Your view of hunters is misinformed.

Wrong, my view of hunters is not misinformed. I dont disagree with you that massive conservation efforts have come from hunting organizations, I dont disagree that hunting organizations have tried to repopulate. The question or statement I argued with is that hunting is natural. Perhaps a few hundred years ago it was, but I am in no way misinformed when I state the primary target of a hunter is the biggest and strongest of a species. Which is completely against the laws of nature.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

Wrong, my view of hunters is not misinformed. I dont disagree with you that massive conservation efforts have come from hunting organizations, I dont disagree that hunting organizations have tried to repopulate. The question or statement I argued with is that hunting is natural. Perhaps a few hundred years ago it was, but I am in no way misinformed when I state the primary target of a hunter is the biggest and strongest of a species. Which is completely against the laws of nature.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

but I am in no way misinformed when I state the primary target of a hunter is the biggest and strongest of a species. Which is completely against the laws of nature.

Maybe things are really fucked up in NY because I've never heard of trophy squirrel hunting before.

Your argument is a faulty generalization. Just because some people trophy hunt does not mean all of hunting is unnatural. Hunting rabbit, squirrel, duck, dove and even deer is mostly for meat where I'm from. Again, hunting for your own food is natural. I don't care if you don't like an attribute of some subset of hunting. Take the blinders off.

Originally Posted by troubador

Maybe things are really fucked up in NY because I've never heard of trophy squirrel hunting before.

Your argument is a faulty generalization. Just because some people trophy hunt does not mean all of hunting is unnatural. Hunting rabbit, squirrel, duck, dove and even deer is mostly for meat where I'm from. Again, hunting for your own food is natural. I don't care if you don't like an attribute of some subset of hunting. Take the blinders off.

Did you even read what I wrote ? Or are you just reading what you want ? I believe above I said something about collecting food.

Regardles of being a trophy hunter or not, it is very common hunting practice to go for the buck with a big rack is it not ? To go for the boar with the big tusks ?

I eat what I kill. And I will only kill what I will eat. With that said, what would you propose. Taking a sickly disease ridden buck that may infect my family? If you are hunting for the freezer, you naturally want the bigger animal for the greater amount of meat.

I wish Fish and Game would let responsible hunters, like moi, take out the malformed and diseased animals. This would strengthen the resulting progeny by cleaning the gene pool. The resulting animals do better in the long run.

obviously niviceaas is much more evolved than us... and maybe he speaks with animals, they just want to cuddle. They are not brutal at all. Yes they do kill just to kill. Maybe not at the pretty zoo where he goes but, hey, its his fantasy. And who doesn't want to live in a fantasy like him? Away from reality, logic and reasoning.
Oh but that is sarcasm. And sarcasm is just a fools tool. Hell guys, lets stop arguing with him, HE SWAM WITH A SHARK, so he knows.
After all he is so smarter and better than us all...added together....

Found the vegan!

Originally Posted by niviceaas

obviously too stupid to even understand what I wrote, so certainly not smart enough to understand anything about instinct whether it be animal or human.
Being an opportunistic hunter and having hunting as your hobby has nothing to do with each other. I have been in the water with some of the greatest predators of the sea, and no opportunity was siezed. Almost NO animal kills for "sport" or pleasure.
As far as bears taking a swipe, No if they are fed they dont unless its in defense. I have seen black bears next to squirells and deer, so dont try to paint a picture of these lethal animals to make your self feel more brave for hunting them.
And its not weeping for the cute cuddly animals, its laughing at the mighty hunter who thinks somehow he has become in tune with nature with his little cammo outfit and bottle of deer piss. I'll go pick berries with your wife, hows that ?

I like animals. I like them far more than people. I don't think hunting for sport is a good thing. However, you are wrong about almost everything you are saying. Nearly all predators kill for reasons other than food and defense. An indoor cat that has been fed and pampered it's whole life will massacre every bird in the neighborhood for the fuck of it. They are biologically pre-wired to hunt and kill. They get a dopamine reward for killing just like Joe Cougar Redneck does for bagging a 12 point.

Animals will fight and kill for reasons just as petty as humans. Animals will kill each other over territory and pussy, just like humans. The animal kingdom has it's share of violent dick heads and peace loving hippies, just like humans.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier

I eat what I kill. And I will only kill what I will eat. With that said, what would you propose. Taking a sickly disease ridden buck that may infect my family? If you are hunting for the freezer, you naturally want the bigger animal for the greater amount of meat.

I wish Fish and Game would let responsible hunters, like moi, take out the malformed and diseased animals. This would strengthen the resulting progeny by cleaning the gene pool. The resulting animals do better in the long run.

I like your sentiment, but I doubt that you never eat meat raised and slaughtered in stockyards.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I like your sentiment, but I doubt that you never eat meat raised and slaughtered in stockyards.

I eat what I kill. And I will only kill what I will eat.

I took that to mean thathe doesn't hunt for "sport". He will not kill an animal unless he intends to have it as food but its not about eating meat, that he has to dispatch the animal or he won't eat it. Maybe dogsoldier would like to clarify.

Originally Posted by qwerty_lifter

I eat what I kill. And I will only kill what I will eat.

I took that to mean thathe doesn't hunt for "sport". He will not kill an animal unless he intends to have it as food but its not about eating meat, that he has to dispatch the animal or he won't eat it. Maybe dogsoldier would like to clarify.

You are right, I misread what he said and apologize.

Originally Posted by KelJu

You are right, I misread what he said and apologize.

Pfft, no apologizes are necessary. Honestly, I do not and have not ever hunted just for "sport".
I've heard of people in Australia just mowing down kangaroo's and find it disturbing.
Are they varmints, do they spread disease to livestock or tear up property? Hell, I don't know.
On the same token, I'm game for a Kangaroo tenderloin.

Several years ago I shot a nice sized doe, great shot I thought, followed the blood trail for about 30 or so yards and it just stopped in a old creek bed. Looked all over, couldn't find any sign of it...no blood, no deer...anything and it got too dark. The next day I went out to a different stand and on the way there is a tiny dried out pond, about 60-70 yards from the previous day. That is where the doe was, dead of course. I felt like shit, wasted the meat and all, but as I got closer to it, I saw that coyotes had already fed from it, heavily. The next day it was bone... Now I'm like, well, I guess that is the circle of life. Queue Disney sound track here...

Originally Posted by KelJu

You are right, I misread what he said and apologize.

Thank you.

I filled many a doe tag to fill my freezer. Never have found a recipie for Antlers either

This isn't technically hunting but still some crazy shit.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

boy thats got to be one heck of a feeling of acomplishment to kill a squirell. Probably akin to climing everest

I ran over a baby squirrel in my go cart unintentionally and that shit brought me to tears and I was like 15. only cowards kill just to kill.

Originally Posted by niviceaas

I would not say Im against hunting entirely no . I do however think there are certain ideas about it that I do not like. Hunting should not be considered a sport , hunting should not be a hobby. Hunting should be what it has been since man began and that is a means to collect food.
I have done it, but it was a long time ago (about 20 years) but even then I knew what I had done did not make me feel proud. Although we used some of the meat, it was nothing I needed to survive.

Do you disagree with my statements ? Particularly the one about how "natural" hunting is.

Yes, I do disagree with your statements. Hunting is completely natural, other animals do it. Hunting isn't for everyone. Someone needs to stay home and tend the garden.