BF%, the mOron and implants

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 11:53 AM

At the risk of having my thread here pornalized...

I've got a question about body fat and the mOron (Omron) and how it "reads" the fluid via it's bio-imped-whatever-the-hell it is called method.

I've set some pretty lofty goals for myself and the KEY is not loosing any lean mass at all!!!

I have calipers at home, and have had trainers at the gym (fairly inaccurately) read my body fat at different times... they do have a mOron and I figure for consistency's sake, maybe this is going to be the best way for me to gauge my lean mass and whether its actually going somewhere.

I've heard that implants will affect the readings cuz of the extra "fluid" and that you should subtract implant weight from LBM to get accurate numbers so far as LBM goes.

I guess what Im wondering is how, if at all, accurate is the mOron so far as consistency goes... and will it regularly "read" my implants consistently, or will it be skewed by the fluid and prove to be innaccurate? Anybody in the know on this one?

Maybe I should just do a test run and get the girl at the front desk to let me use it every morning and see what, if any, and how much, changes I get on a day to day basis.

I had mOron and caliper readings done at my gym in sept... mOron 22%.... calipers 18%... in jan the calipers said 13% and the mOron said 16%.... seemingly consistent, with 3-4% up from the calipers... BUT the 13% caliper reading also said that I'd lost half my weight in muscle and the other half in fat... mOron reading says I lost some lean mass... but not as much.... both of which was not the case considering caliper readings today show me with the same 114 lbs of LBM (- implants I guess) that the 18% caliper reading showed. Surely I didnt gain back 7 lbs of lean mass in the last 4 months of slacking. Of course, the final reading was also done after water/carb manipulation for photo day... so i think they were skewed results anyways.

So.... got a call into the university for a dunk test... but it's been 2 weeks and about 5 msgs. i've left and no return call... so I'm thinking that wont go through.

Ok... so either I've talked out my own answer or somebody here can help me without a bunch of pornalized boob references

**craig777** · 05-14-2003, 11:56 AM

Well after reading that all I can say is that all the Morons here aren't very accurate or reliable either.

**Crono1000** · 05-14-2003, 11:58 AM

this thread is about to go down the

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Crono1000

this thread is about to go down the

I was afraid of that.

**craig777** · 05-14-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by TXDeb
I was afraid of that.

I would have offered help but I was lost after the second sentence, so I figured I would make a smart aleck comment.

**Crono1000** · 05-14-2003, 12:09 PM

not really, I think you'll be surprised. Someone will come here with useful information.

but I'm not one of 'em, boobies

**Crono1000** · 05-14-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by craig777
I would have offered help but I was lost after the second sentence, so I figured I would make a smart aleck comment.

agreed, exactly how I felt

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 12:15 PM

So... next time skip the bullshit and get straight to the question. Gotcha!

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 12:19 PM

"go join the IM forum" they said... "there's TONS of intelligent ppl there who know what they are talking about"... Advice I took from somebody... now im here... who knew by saying "intelligent" what they really meant was "smart alecks"

Just an observation

**craig777** · 05-14-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by TXDeb
"go join the IM forum" they said... "there's TONS of intelligent ppl there who know what they are talking about"... Advice I took from somebody... now im here... who knew by saying "intelligent" what they really meant was "smart alecks"

Just an observation

Hey, I'm intelligent. I'm an engineer, but if you want someone that knows about Morons you need Albob

**Crono1000** · 05-14-2003, 12:33 PM

I'm sorry tx, but I have no clue how to answer (or read) your question.

But it's ok, when I first came to the boards (it was the mm boards back then) it also was to improve my body and get in better shape. Then it becomes like crack and you talk about health issues only when someone can't "get it up"

haha, not really. Most of the guys here can answer your questions. Its just that no one's online right now. Give it an hour or two, someone'll tell you about morons and stuff.

boobies

**Twin Peak** · 05-14-2003, 12:55 PM

To answer your question, the Omron will not provide you any accuracy at all. It *may* provide you consistency, but I am finding that is less the case. If you lose fat and gain muscle at an even rate, so that your weight stays constant, it will show no or a small drop in BF%.

Your best bet is to learn to use the calipers yourself. You can become consistent, if not completely accurate. Then you can figure out your approximate BF%. I would not worry about the implants, but if you were hell bent on knowing EXACTLY your LBM, just subtract the weight from the formula.

Of course, if you are that hell bent on getting that info, you should be seeking psychiatric help, rather than dieting.

**J'Bo** · 05-14-2003, 01:21 PM

well i am a booby lover myself........geuss its cause i dont have any.......so all i read above was booby booby booby.......sorry deb....gotta love your boobies though......sorry couldnt resist.

YAH YAH YAH i got a new girl to play with........since Leslie left i havent been able to find someone who will play with me....oh no that sounded bad....you know what i mean though right deb..

**Twin Peak** · 05-14-2003, 01:23 PM

Now this thread is getting interesting.

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
If you lose fat and gain muscle at an even rate, so that your weight stays constant, it will show no or a small drop in BF%.

Your best bet is to learn to use the calipers yourself. You can become consistent, if not completely accurate. Then you can figure out your approximate BF%. I would not worry about the implants, but if you were hell bent on knowing EXACTLY your LBM, just subtract the weight from the formula.

Of course, if you are that hell bent on getting that info, you should be seeking psychiatric help, rather than dieting.

Thanks TP for the intelligent answer... thats what I wanted to hear... I've read alot of mumbo jumbo on various "womens" boards about the mOron and implants and how it doesnt "read" the saline properly... so far as LBM goes... i can figure that too... i know i've got 2 lbs of implants... (ohhh... am I get J'Bo's booby obsession all riled up now!) so thats a non-issue for me... just was wondering about accuracy of the mOron with implants I guess.

So far as seeking psychiatric help... yeah, im an anal retentive obsessive compulsive whack job... do I need to pay a psych dr. to tell me that? NOPE! I cope with "real" life on a daily basis and do quite well... so long as I dont give in to the voices in my head I'm ok!

**MJ23** · 05-14-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by J'Bo
i havent been able to find someone who will play with me....oh no that sounded bad....you know what i mean though right deb..

I wanna play

**ZECH** · 05-14-2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by J'Bo
well i am a booby lover myself........geuss its cause i dont have any.......so all i read above was booby booby booby.......sorry deb....gotta love your boobies though......sorry couldnt resist.

YAH YAH YAH i got a new girl to play with........since Leslie left i havent been able to find someone who will play with me....oh no that sounded bad....you know what i mean though right deb..

The things that are going through my mind!

**MJ23** · 05-14-2003, 02:30 PM

Hey TX, I am sorry

I seem to have read the words "Implant" and "boobies" over and over and over

Allow me to introduce myself

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by J'Bo
well i am a booby lover myself........geuss its cause i dont have any.......so all i read above was booby booby booby.......sorry deb....gotta love your boobies though......sorry couldnt resist.

YAH YAH YAH i got a new girl to play with........since Leslie left i havent been able to find someone who will play with me....oh no that sounded bad....you know what i mean though right deb..

LOL... play with me!!!! heh... didnt I already tell you we needed to charge admission for that stuff

Got yer back on the booby obsession... i spent LOTS of time booby obsessed... I swear i've looked at more natural and fake boobs on the net than most guys have... including the pornal guys that hang around here

heh... even got the bf to take me "booby shopping" at the local titty bar... you'd be amazed at how many of those women stuck them out for me (and him) to "feel them"... it was quite the riot.... my bf said it was the most amazing "research" he's ever done!!!

Soooo.... this where I'm supposed to say something like... "question answered... on with the pornalizing!"

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by MJ23
Hey TX, I am sorry...Allow me to introduce myself

**J'Bo** · 05-14-2003, 02:46 PM

oh boy the men on im are gonna love you deb.

yes i am an avid booby watcher too.

hey can your bf take me booby shoppin too? lmao.

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by J'Bo
hey can your bf take me booby shoppin too? lmao.

Well... he has threatened to dump me for a flat chested girl so he can continue his research... wonders if there's any way i can "hide" them so we can go shopping again.... "cant you just tell them you just want to go bigger now"... every angle he can find!

**ALBOB** · 05-14-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by TXDeb the pornal guys that hang around here

Hey, what'd I do?

It's my understanding that the most accurate measure of BF% is the submersion test, so you're on the right track there. (Obviously it's not cheap and, in your case, can be a pain in the butt to coordinate.)

If the Omron test is what I'm thinking, electro-conductivity, then it's inherintly INaccurate. It sends an electic "pulse" from one point on your body to another and measures the electronic resistance. Different body tissue has different electronic conductivity properties so that is used to determine what amount of your body is lean tissue and what amount is fat. The problem with the type of test is that it's subject to MAJOR variables i.e., electrolite content of your blood stream, electrical contact between your body and the tester due to sweat (or lack of sweat), etc. Again, I'm not entirely sure what the Omron tester is so if it's not that type then disregard everything I just wrote.

From what I've seen, people can become very proficient with the calipers. If I were to choose that's the way I'd go, but I'd ALWAYS do the measuring myself. When consistancy is a priority I always trust myself, not someone who may or may not be having a bad day.

P.S. BOOBIES

Sorry Deb, I couldn't resist.

**Twin Peak** · 05-14-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by TXDeb
Thanks TP for the intelligent answer... thats what I wanted to hear... I've read alot of mumbo jumbo on various "womens" boards about the mOron and implants and how it doesnt "read" the saline properly... so far as LBM goes... i can figure that too... i know i've got 2 lbs of implants... (ohhh... am I get J'Bo's booby obsession all riled up now!) so thats a non-issue for me... just was wondering about accuracy of the mOron with implants I guess.

So far as seeking psychiatric help... yeah, im an anal retentive obsessive compulsive whack job... do I need to pay a psych dr. to tell me that? NOPE! I cope with "real" life on a daily basis and do quite well... so long as I dont give in to the voices in my head I'm ok!

I suppose the bottom line is that the Omron will be inaccurate regardless, no more or less so with the implants.

**Crono1000** · 05-14-2003, 03:38 PM

this... thread... ROX!!!

droooooooooooooooooooooooool

**tidalwaverus** · 05-14-2003, 03:46 PM

I will need to see these boobies first to make an acurate judgement

as a engineer in plastics I might be of help

J\K

albob maybe a moron but this time he is right.

I think

The water test is the best but your a skinny penny why?

**TXDeb** · 05-14-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by ALBOB Different body tissue has different electronic conductivity properties so that is used to determine what amount of your body is lean tissue and what amount is fat....yadda, yadda, yadda... it's subject to MAJOR variables i.e., electrolite content of your blood stream, electrical contact between your body and the tester due to sweat (or lack of sweat), etc.

ah hah... I knew there were more intelligent answers to find here. If electrolytes and things like sweat and fluid retention are variable anyways... then it would seem that it would read the implant at least as a consistent fluid, it would be other fluids in my body that varied. (as TP also pointed out). Ive got calipers and have been using them pretty consistenlty on myself so far.

thanks for the input.

tidalwaverus... I think ALBOB posted a pic of them up there in his thread

**tidalwaverus** · 05-14-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by TXDeb

tidalwaverus... I think ALBOB posted a pic of them up there in his thread

Those are click clacks

what do I know

Show us the real thing (shirt is optional)

**butterfly** · 05-14-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by J'Bo
well i am a booby lover myself........geuss its cause i dont have any.......so all i read above was booby booby booby.......sorry deb....gotta love your boobies though......sorry couldnt resist.

YAH YAH YAH i got a new girl to play with........since Leslie left i havent been able to find someone who will play with me....oh no that sounded bad....you know what i mean though right deb..

Can I play too??? Mine are real... but here they are anyways

hehehe... feeding the booby fedish

**katie64** · 05-14-2003, 04:49 PM

Hey Deb...........

I actually have met you through another site, we spoke via email about (your boobies)

, you have a transformation website, right...........maybe you should show everyone,

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