Study: Iraq War Cost 190K Lives, $2.2 Trillion

**LAM** · 03-16-2013, 10:30 PM

WASHINGTON -- The U.S.-led war in Iraq claimed 190,000 lives and will cost the U.S. government at least $2.2 trillion, according to the findings of a project at Brown University released Thursday.

The Costs of War report, released ahead of the 10th anniversary of the war on March 20, said that the financial calculation included "substantial" costs to care for wounded U.S. veterans.

The total estimate far outstrips the initial projection by President George W. Bush's government that the war would cost $50 billion to $60 billion.

More than 70 percent of those who died of direct war violence in Iraq were civilians, or an estimated 134,000 people. A small number of the 190,000 dead were U.S. casualties: 4,488 U.S. military members and at least 3,400 U.S. contractors, according to the report.

"The staggering number of deaths in Iraq is hard to fathom, but each of these individuals has to count and be counted," said Catherine Lutz, a professor at Rhode Island-based Brown University who helped lead the study.

The U.S. government has spent $60 billion on reconstruction, but little has gone to restoring destroyed infrastructure. Most of the money has gone to the Iraqi military and police, the report noted.

"Nearly every government that goes to war underestimates its duration, neglects to tally all the costs and overestimates the political objectives that will be accomplished by war's violence," said Neta Crawford, a professor who helped coordinate the study.

The U.S. State Department conceded that both countries made "enormous sacrifices." Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, responding to the Costs of War report, said that the United States and Iraq have forged a "strategically important bilateral relationship."

"Compared to where we were in the Saddam era, we now have a bilateral security agreement. We have deep economic interests and ties. We have a security relationship. We have a political relationship," she said.

The Costs of War project involved 30 economists, anthropologists, lawyers, humanitarian personnel and political scientists from 15 universities, the United Nations and other organizations.

Study: Iraq War Cost 190K Lives, $2.2 Trillion | Military.com

**exphys88** · 03-16-2013, 10:41 PM

Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents ever. How many American soldiers, and innocent Iraqi civilians gave their life for nothing?

**LAM** · 03-16-2013, 11:11 PM

no doubt.

even excluding the money wasted on warring the US economy is permanently scarred from his economic policies. but they worked as expected, wealth transfers from the bottom to the top, it's the neo-con way.

**charley** · 03-17-2013, 12:00 AM

At some point you have to know that the MONEY means nothing, think about how many homeless & limbless young Men are suffering PTSD now & for the rest of their lives....with little or no support after fighting for America....its sad...

**LAM** · 03-17-2013, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by charley

At some point you have to know that the MONEY means nothing, think about how many homeless & limbless young Men are suffering PTSD now & for the rest of their lives....with little or no support after fighting for America....its sad...

that right there is why I have been volunteering at the VA for years and don't charge Vets for any services rendered.

**theCaptn'** · 03-17-2013, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by exphys88

Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents ever. How many American soldiers, and innocent Iraqi civilians gave their life for nothing?

And you fkwits re-elected him....

... I hear Iraq is a complete shambles. Corrupt politicians and generals making a fortune from oil money in the safety of the green zone, chaos and anarchy everywhere else.

**LAM** · 03-17-2013, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

And you fkwits re-elected him....

... I hear Iraq is a complete shambles. Corrupt politicians and generals making a fortune from oil money in the safety of the green zone, chaos and anarchy everywhere else.

it's been a couple of years since I was last out there working at the embassy. it was fucked from the beginning. everything outside of the green zone is definitely in shambles. you could tell nothing was getting built properly, nothing but smoke and mirrors and huge profits for the capitalists.

**SFW** · 03-17-2013, 03:12 AM

Big chunk of the ancient sumer bloodline is dead or sterile now.

He (sadam) should of never claimed he was the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. Then he said he was going to rebuild babylon. So, they had to sacrifice him and recreate the story of Nebuchadnezzar with operation "Shock and awe" on mar 21, the equinox. (shock and awe = Shekinah, the devine feminine hebrew blessing of the Lord)

Didnt they threaten to use a MOAB on him? Didnt the Moabites go to war with nebuchadnezzar? lol you cant make this shit up.

**theCaptn'** · 03-17-2013, 03:41 AM

Prophesy

**Dark Geared God** · 03-17-2013, 10:16 AM

I think obuma will be the worst next to bush

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

I think obuma will be the worst next to bush

nope, don't think so, at least Obama is wasting US money on itself, and not useless wars oversees.

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

WASHINGTON -- The U.S.-led war in Iraq claimed 190,000 lives and will cost the U.S. government at least $2.2 trillion, according to the findings of a project at Brown University released Thursday.

The Costs of War report, released ahead of the 10th anniversary of the war on March 20, said that the financial calculation included "substantial" costs to care for wounded U.S. veterans.

The total estimate far outstrips the initial projection by President George W. Bush's government that the war would cost $50 billion to $60 billion.

More than 70 percent of those who died of direct war violence in Iraq were civilians, or an estimated 134,000 people. A small number of the 190,000 dead were U.S. casualties: 4,488 U.S. military members and at least 3,400 U.S. contractors, according to the report.

"The staggering number of deaths in Iraq is hard to fathom, but each of these individuals has to count and be counted," said Catherine Lutz, a professor at Rhode Island-based Brown University who helped lead the study.

The U.S. government has spent $60 billion on reconstruction, but little has gone to restoring destroyed infrastructure. Most of the money has gone to the Iraqi military and police, the report noted.

"Nearly every government that goes to war underestimates its duration, neglects to tally all the costs and overestimates the political objectives that will be accomplished by war's violence," said Neta Crawford, a professor who helped coordinate the study.

The U.S. State Department conceded that both countries made "enormous sacrifices." Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, responding to the Costs of War report, said that the United States and Iraq have forged a "strategically important bilateral relationship."

"Compared to where we were in the Saddam era, we now have a bilateral security agreement. We have deep economic interests and ties. We have a security relationship. We have a political relationship," she said.

The Costs of War project involved 30 economists, anthropologists, lawyers, humanitarian personnel and political scientists from 15 universities, the United Nations and other organizations.

Study: Iraq War Cost 190K Lives, $2.2 Trillion | Military.com

great job GWB!

**Dark Geared God** · 03-17-2013, 10:27 AM

We protect america by killing ....

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 10:42 AM

it's all about keeping the American people in fear, that is how the government control things, that is why they made up all of this terrorist shit.

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Prince

nope, don't think so, at least Obama is wasting US money on itself, and not useless wars oversees.

I beg to differ. what the was Libya all about? our national security? i think not. we still have more than 17,000 american officials in Iraq, We're still in that shit hole called Afghanistan. We have 50,000 troops in Germany and 35,000 in S. Korea. 35,000 in Japan. Now we're sending aid to Syria. Just sent 250+ MILLION to Egypt plus all the fighter jets they got from us already. the list goes on and on. talk about waste of money......

**LAM** · 03-17-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

I think obuma will be the worst next to bush

why because he didn't reverse the negative effects of the worst economic recession in 60 years in 4 or reverse the negative effects of 30 years of supply-side economics in 4 years? no president, world leader or government in the world could do either of those.

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

why because he didn't reverse the negative effects of the worst economic recession in 60 years in 4 or reverse the negative effects of 30 years of supply-side economics in 4 years? no president, world leader or government in the world could do either of those.

what's that saying about excuses? you don't think we can have a whole lot better recovery than this pathetic economy? nothing but an Obama nut sucker you are. I understand, giving the fact you voted for him twice. lol.

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 11:44 AM

I don't think LAM is an Obama supporter just as I am not, we both just understand that what is going on is way more than just the office of president, it's the entire fucked up, corrupt US government.

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Swiper

I beg to differ. what the was Libya all about? our national security? i think not. we still have more than 17,000 american officials in Iraq, We're still in that shit hole called Afghanistan. We have 50,000 troops in Germany and 35,000 in S. Korea. 35,000 in Japan. Now we're sending aid to Syria. Just sent 250+ MILLION to Egypt plus all the fighter jets they got from us already. the list goes on and on. talk about waste of money......

I don't see the comparison between this and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan costing more than $2.2 trillion, and Obama has been trying to get us out of Iraq since he stepped into office. If I recall correctly we're supposed to be completely out of Iraq by this August.

**hoyle21** · 03-17-2013, 12:11 PM

In 6 months to a year, we are going to see a huge boom. My area has already seen 10 times as many new housing permits this year, than it saw for a total the previous 4.

That's a huge positive sign.

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

I don't think LAM is an Obama supporter just as I am not, we both just understand that what is going on is way more than just the office of president, it's the entire fucked up, corrupt US government.

yes he is. lam voted for Obama twice. if that's not a supporter then what is?

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

I don't see the comparison between this and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan costing more than $2.2 trillion, and Obama has been trying to get us out of Iraq since he stepped into office. If I recall correctly we're supposed to be completely out of Iraq by this August.

Obama got us out of Iraq on bushs time table. I wouldn't give him much credit for getting us out.

lol we're never leaving Iraq nor Afghanistan . just like s. Korea, we've been there 60 years now ?

**IronAddict** · 03-17-2013, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

yes he is. lam voted for Obama twice. if that's not a supporter then what is?

I voted for Obama twice myself, all that means is we weren't for the alternative. Putting another so called risk taker, cowboy in office just means he's going to be reckless and a risk taker with someone else's kid! A shitty ass move by the potus if you ask me.

And everybody reading this knows deep down in their hearts Romney was just another schill, cut from the same mold as Bush!

I wonder if all the high profile bandits back in the wild west received this much love and adoration?!

**hoyle21** · 03-17-2013, 01:19 PM

Isn't Jeb Bush a republican front runner now too?

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

yes he is. lam voted for Obama twice. if that's not a supporter then what is?

Voting for the lesser of two evils does not necessitate being a "supporter".

**Z499** · 03-17-2013, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

In 6 months to a year, we are going to see a huge boom.

Yea from North Korea if we don't get our shit strait

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Isn't Jeb Bush a republican front runner now too?

Rand Paul won the straw poll at CPAC this weekend. Rubio 2nd.

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

Voting for the lesser of two evils does not necessitate being a "supporter".

it's still voting for evil. he could have voted for the socialist party nominee which is much closer to his political views.

**Prince** · 03-17-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Swiper

it's still voting for evil. he could have voted for the socialist party nominee which is much closer to his political views.

Yes but that would be wasting a vote because only a dem or repub will ever be elected president.

**Swiper** · 03-17-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

Yes but that would be wasting a vote because only a dem or repub will ever be elected president.

I guess it depends on how you view it. for me, i can't vote for someone who doesn't share my beliefs. I don't feel my vote was wasted on Ron Paul in the primaries and Gary Johnson in the general election. it's about standing on principal. if more and more people do this it'll send a message to the two parties that their losing support and need to change their views.

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