Thread: MI6 and CIA were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD

What Else Did He Lie About?

The New York Times? Maureen Dowd writes today:

In a documentary soon to appear on Showtime, ?The World According to Dick Cheney,? [Cheney said] ?I got on the telephone with the president, who was in Florida, and told him not to be at one location where we could both be taken out.? Mr. Cheney kept W. flying aimlessly in the air on 9/11 while he and Lynn left on a helicopter for a secure undisclosed location, leaving Washington in a bleak, scared silence, with no one reassuring the nation in those first terrifying hours.

?I gave the instructions that we?d authorize our pilots to take it out,? he says, referring to the jet headed to Washington that crashed in a Pennsylvania field. He adds: ?After I?d given the order, it was pretty quiet. Everybody had heard it, and it was obviously a significant moment.?

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When they testified together before the 9/11 Commission, W. and Mr. Cheney kept up a pretense that in a previous call, the president had authorized the vice president to give a shoot-down order if needed. But the commission found ?no documentary evidence for this call.?

In other words, Cheney pretended that Bush had authorized a shoot-down order, but Cheney now admits that he never did. In fact, Cheney acted as if he was the president on 9/11. *

Cheney lied about numerous other facts related to 9/11 as well. For example, Cheney:

Falsely linked Iraq with 9/11 (indeed, the entire torture program was aimed at establishing such a false linkage; and Cheney is the guy who pushed for torture, pressured the Justice Department lawyers to write memos saying torture was legal, and made the pitch to Congress justifying torture. The former director of the CIA said Cheney oversaw American torture policies)

Falsely claimed that spying on Americans, torture, the Patriot Act, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq war and the ?war on terror? were all necessitated by 9/11 ? when all of them started or were planned before 9/11

Falsely stated that an attack such as 9/11 was unforeseeable, when Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military and intelligence services ? and our allies ? knew could happen

Falsely pretended that he was out of the loop during the 9/11 attacks

Falsely blamed others for 9/11, when Cheney was in charge of all of America?s counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of State announcement and this CNN article ?

? And when Cheney was apparently responsible for letting the Pentagon get hit by an airplane (confirmed here and here)

And was instrumental in squashing a real investigation into 9/11

* Indeed, Cheney initiated Continuity of Government plans on 9/11 which essentially nullified America?s constitutional form of government.

Cheney Admits that He Lied about 9/11 | Washington's Blog

Maureen Dowd / Repent, Dick Cheney - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, told the CIA's station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had "virtually nothing" in terms of WMD.

all presidents and politicians are honest, they care about us only, and have no ulterior motives. lol

Falsely stated that an attack such as 9/11 was unforeseeable, when Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military and intelligence services and our allies knew could happen

Horse shit! The 9/11 conspiracy theorists said the US gov't did this. So who is full of shit? Cheney or the 9/11 truthers?

Sadaam got what he deserved

Originally Posted by LAM

What Else Did He Lie About?

The New York Times? Maureen Dowd writes today:

In a documentary soon to appear on Showtime, ?The World According to Dick Cheney,? [Cheney said] ?I got on the telephone with the president, who was in Florida, and told him not to be at one location where we could both be taken out.? Mr. Cheney kept W. flying aimlessly in the air on 9/11 while he and Lynn left on a helicopter for a secure undisclosed location, leaving Washington in a bleak, scared silence, with no one reassuring the nation in those first terrifying hours.

?I gave the instructions that we?d authorize our pilots to take it out,? he says, referring to the jet headed to Washington that crashed in a Pennsylvania field. He adds: ?After I?d given the order, it was pretty quiet. Everybody had heard it, and it was obviously a significant moment.?

***

When they testified together before the 9/11 Commission, W. and Mr. Cheney kept up a pretense that in a previous call, the president had authorized the vice president to give a shoot-down order if needed. But the commission found ?no documentary evidence for this call.?

In other words, Cheney pretended that Bush had authorized a shoot-down order, but Cheney now admits that he never did. In fact, Cheney acted as if he was the president on 9/11. *

Cheney lied about numerous other facts related to 9/11 as well. For example, Cheney:

Falsely linked Iraq with 9/11 (indeed, the entire torture program was aimed at establishing such a false linkage; and Cheney is the guy who pushed for torture, pressured the Justice Department lawyers to write memos saying torture was legal, and made the pitch to Congress justifying torture. The former director of the CIA said Cheney oversaw American torture policies)

Falsely claimed that spying on Americans, torture, the Patriot Act, the Afghanistan war, the Iraq war and the ?war on terror? were all necessitated by 9/11 ? when all of them started or were planned before 9/11

Falsely stated that an attack such as 9/11 was unforeseeable, when Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military and intelligence services ? and our allies ? knew could happen

Falsely pretended that he was out of the loop during the 9/11 attacks

Falsely blamed others for 9/11, when Cheney was in charge of all of America?s counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of State announcement and this CNN article ?

? And when Cheney was apparently responsible for letting the Pentagon get hit by an airplane (confirmed here and here)

And was instrumental in squashing a real investigation into 9/11

* Indeed, Cheney initiated Continuity of Government plans on 9/11 which essentially nullified America?s constitutional form of government.

Cheney Admits that He Lied about 9/11 | Washington's Blog

Maureen Dowd / Repent, Dick Cheney - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

This demon lied his ass off to the Ny x, to other sen. who didn't support this war at the beginning because they knew this was a lie, yet they were sold with more lies. And if you still didn't back this war, they'd blackmail you by sending you a white powder in the mail!?

Now, this guy put his foot in his mouth because he can't sustain his lies anymore, cause there's too many.


And then when saddam 'allegedly' purchased yellow cake from niger and that was proven wrong, he gave the word to go after his wife and out her as a cia agent, fucking cowards go after a mans wife!

Watch that doc. and see all this guys evil doings, behind your back deals and bloodshed, meanwhile he gets of scot free, and rumsfeld too.

Why in the phuq do we in this country even allow or stand by while these people make a career in politics?

Why in the hell do we allow people like THAT to have a career in politics ?

Originally Posted by ctr10

Sadaam got what he deserved

but it was not our responsibility to kill him, the US needs to keeps it's fucking nose out of everyone else's business, and at the financial and death cost it was not worth killing Sadaam, he was not a threat to the US.

Originally Posted by Prince

but it was not our responsibility to kill him, the US needs to keeps it's fucking nose out of everyone else's business, and at the financial and death cost it was not worth killing Sadaam, he was not a threat to the US.

No threat at all! Just look how the desert was wiped with his army in 90-91, and somehow after years of sanctions, he supposedly became stronger and a threat!

Saddam was our despot, and our puppet, until we decided to do what we do to our desots and turn on them when it meets our goals.

didnt we put Saddam in power? we are the worst chess players when we think we could lose we throw a fit and sweep the pieces off the table

Originally Posted by Prince

but it was not our responsibility to kill him, the US needs to keeps it's fucking nose out of everyone else's business, and at the financial and death cost it was not worth killing Sadaam, he was not a threat to the US.

Prince I respect you, but your opinion is the minority and you can dislike what the Gov't does but in all reality it falls on deaf ears.

Originally Posted by heckler7

didnt we put Saddam in power? we are the worst chess players when we think we could lose we throw a fit and sweep the pieces off the table

Yep, CIA funded and orchestrated coup's in the 60's that put the Baath Party into power, ultimately allowing Saddam to rise up the ranks and into power.

He signed his own death warrant when he nationalized Iraqi oil and dumped the USD as it's reserve currency. then Iran did it. He was trying to get the entire middle east to dump the dollar to end the dollar hedgemoney which is the basis for the US being a global economic powerhouse.

Originally Posted by ctr10

Sadaam got what he deserved

we went into Iraq under false pretenses and de-stabilized the entire middle-east but they knew that. it's much worst now than it's ever been before. while it wouldn't have occurred that 2.2T spent on another unnecessary "war" that did not benefit anybody except the capitalists would have been well needed stimulus to the US economy.

Originally Posted by ctr10

Prince I respect you, but your opinion is the minority and you can dislike what the Gov't does but in all reality it falls on deaf ears.

Oh believe me I know!

20 years later its still bushs fault even now as spending is outa control

Originally Posted by ctr10

Sadaam got what he deserved

yeah but our troops did not deserve to die so sadaam can get what he deserved.

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

20 years later its still bushs fault even now as spending is outa control

to bad it's not out of control..revenue has decreased

where are all the spending bills that caused the debt to build up?

what are the numbers of those bills? cause they don't seem to be here
THOMAS (Library of Congress)

"learning" econ from tv and politicians only guarantees one thing. that you will know nothing about economics

Originally Posted by Swiper

yeah but our troops did not deserve to die so sadaam can get what he deserved.

It's called war, when your country calls you, you go, no one wants to see americans die or get wounded, but thats not for us to decide

Originally Posted by LAM

we went into Iraq under false pretenses and de-stabilized the entire middle-east but they knew that. it's much worst now than it's ever been before. while it wouldn't have occurred that 2.2T spent on another unnecessary "war" that did not benefit anybody except the capitalists would have been well needed stimulus to the US economy.

Lam I read the book written by the navy seal Kris Kyle, he said "sadaam had every thing needed for a dirty bomb, they just never had it in a ICBM" also I think the economy is hurting from the deficit created by the wars, Stimulus?

Originally Posted by ctr10

Lam I read the book written by the navy seal Kris Kyle, he said "sadaam had every thing needed for a dirty bomb, they just never had it in a ICBM" also I think the economy is hurting from the deficit created by the wars, Stimulus?

lots of country's have the ability to make dirty bombs and setting one of would benefit them how exactly? so the US can come an totally annihilate your infrastructure and shut down your economy, it makes no sense at all.

historically wars are over profits and wealth. the only country that has been running around killing people just to do it and prove a point the past 50 years is the US. we did it in Korea, the Philippines, etc.

waring in the middle east, SE Asia, etc. have always been over natural resources since oil was discovered there and conflicts in the old USSR were also over resources. wars bankrupt nations it doesn't build them, the only people that ultimately benefit are those that own the means of production. that's the way it's always been and always will be.

for a country to obtain nuclear capability means the US is no longer a threat and can not bully you around. that's why they try to stop any and all country's from obtaining the technology.

Originally Posted by LAM

lots of country's have the ability to make dirty bombs and setting one of would benefit them how exactly? so the US can come an totally annihilate your infrastructure and shut down your economy, it makes no sense at all.

historically wars are over profits and wealth. the only country that has been running around killing people just to do it and prove a point the past 50 years is the US. we did it in Korea, the Philippines, etc.

waring in the middle east, SE Asia, etc. have always been over natural resources since oil was discovered there and conflicts in the old USSR were also over resources. wars bankrupt nations it doesn't build them, the only people that ultimately benefit are those that own the means of production. that's the way it's always been and always will be.

for a country to obtain nuclear capability means the US is no longer a threat and can not bully you around. that's why they try to stop any and all country's from obtaining the technology.

Well lets see, shooting at our planes in the no-fly zone was reason enough, let alone he tried to have George H. Bush Killed, if you don't like it here go somewhere else, no one is making you stay, Maybe you can be Mister Know it all somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

20 years later its still bushs fault even now as spending is outa control

no, but the wasted $2.2 trillion and thousands of lives on the Iraq war was.

just imagine what we could have done in our own country with $2.2 trillion, sad that it wasted on a Bush family grudge.

Originally Posted by ctr10

Well lets see, shooting at our planes in the no-fly zone was reason enough, let alone he tried to have George H. Bush Killed, if you don't like it here go somewhere else, no one is making you stay, Maybe you can be Mister Know it all somewhere else.

so the rational response to shooting at a plane is a full scale war? makes sense to me...NOT

your a radical, you don't see the grey area's. everything to you is black or white. you can't picture the viewpoints of the other side only your's from the US as an american. of course they tried to kill GHWB when he went to Kuwait and you would have done the same exact thing!

Originally Posted by Prince

just imagine what we could have done in our own country with $2.2 trillion, sad that it wasted on a Bush family grudge.

I can imagine..Obuma would have spent it on bogus green energy programs and more welfare and food stamp and unemployment bennis hell everyone needs 5 years to find a job...

Originally Posted by Dark Geared God

I can imagine..Obuma would have spent it on bogus green energy programs and more welfare and food stamp and unemployment bennis hell everyone needs 5 years to find a job...

just like the GOP...you know that Solyndra loan deal was started by a Bush program and was approved by the Bush admin.


May 2005: Just as a global silicon shortage begins driving up prices of solar photovoltaics [PV], Solyndra is founded to provide a cost-competitive alternative to silicon-based panels.

July 2005: The Bush Administration signs the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law, creating the 1703 loan guarantee program.

February 2006 ? October 2006: In February, Solyndra raises its first round of venture financing worth $10.6 million from CMEA Capital, Redpoint Ventures, and U.S. Venture Partners. In October, Argonaut Venture Capital, an investment arm of George Kaiser, invests $17 million into Solyndra. Madrone Capital Partners, an investment arm of the Walton family, invests $7 million. Those investments are part of a $78.2 million fund.

December 2006: Solyndra Applies for a Loan Guarantee under the 1703 program.

Late 2007: Loan guarantee program is funded. Solyndra was one of 16 clean-tech companies deemed ready to move forward in the due diligence process. The Bush Administration DOE moves forward to develop a conditional commitment.

October 2008: Then Solyndra CEO Chris Gronet touted reasons for building in Silicon Valley and noted that the ?company?s second factory also will be built in Fremont, since a Department of Energy loan guarantee mandates a U.S. location.?

November 2008: Silicon prices remain very high on the spot market, making non-silicon based thin film technologies like Solyndra?s very attractive to investors. Solyndra also benefits from having very low installation costs. The company raises $144 million from ten different venture investors, including the Walton-family run Madrone Capital Partners. This brings total private investment to more than $450 million to date.

January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush Administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE ?without prejudice? because it wasn?t ready for conditional commitment.

March 2009: The same credit committee approves the strengthened loan application. The deal passes on to DOE?s credit review board. Career staff (not political appointees) within the DOE issue a conditional commitment setting out terms for a guarantee.

June 2009: As more silicon production facilities come online while demand for PV wavers due to the economic slowdown, silicon prices start to drop. Meanwhile, the Chinese begin rapidly scaling domestic manufacturing and set a path toward dramatic, unforeseen cost reductions in PV. Between June of 2009 and August of 2011, PV prices drop more than 50%.

September 2009: Solyndra raises an additional $219 million. Shortly after, the DOE closes a $535 million loan guarantee after six months of due diligence. This is the first loan guarantee issued under the 1705 program. From application to closing, the process took three years ? not the 41 days that is sometimes reported. OMB did raise some concerns in August not about the loan itself but how the loan should be ?scored.? OMB testified Wednesday that they were comfortable with the final scoring.

January ? June 2010: As the price of conventional silicon-based PV continues to fall due to low silicon prices and a glut of solar modules, investors and analysts start questioning Solyndra?s ability to compete in the marketplace. Despite pulling its IPO (as dozens of companies did in 2010), Solyndra raises an additional $175 million from investors.

November 2010: Solyndra closes an older manufacturing facility and concentrates operations at Fab 2, the plant funded by the $535 million loan guarantee. The Fab 2 plant is completed that same month ? on time and on budget ? employing around 3,000 construction workers during the build-out, just as the DOE projected.

February 2011: Due to a liquidity crisis, investors provide $75 million to help restructure the loan guarantee. The DOE rightly assumed it was better to give Solyndra a fighting chance rather than liquidate the company ? which was a going concern ? for market value, which would have guaranteed significant losses.

March 2011: Republican Representatives complain that DOE funds are not being spent quickly enough.

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI): ?despite the Administration?s urgency and haste to pass the bill [the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act] ? billions of dollars have yet to be spent.?

And House Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-FL): ?The whole point of the Democrat?s stimulus bill was to spend billions of dollars ? most of the money still hasn?t been spent.?

June 2011: Average selling prices for solar modules drop to $1.50 a watt and continue on a pathway to $1 a watt. Solyndra says it has cut costs by 50%, but analysts worry how the company will compete with the dramatic changes in conventional PV.

August 2011: DOE refuses to restructure the loan a second time.

September 2011: Solyndra closes its manufacturing facility, lays off 1,100 workers and files for bankruptcy. The news is touted as a failure of the Obama Administration and the loan guarantee office. However, as of September 12, the DOE loan programs office closed or issued conditional commitments of $37.8 billion to projects around the country. The $535 million loan is only 1.3% of DOE?s loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that?s known to be troubled.

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Horse shit! The 9/11 conspiracy theorists said the US gov't did this. So who is full of shit? Cheney or the 9/11 truthers?

Conspiracy theorists often believe in contradictory theories.

The present research shows that even mutually incompatible conspiracy theories are positively correlated in endorsement. In Study 1 (n = 137), the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered. In Study 2 (n = 102), the more participants believed that Osama Bin Laden was already dead when U.S. special forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed he is still alive. Hierarchical regression models showed that mutually incompatible conspiracy theories are positively associated because both are associated with the view that the authorities are engaged in a cover-up (Study 2). The monological nature of conspiracy belief appears to be driven not by conspiracy theories directly supporting one another but by broader beliefs supporting conspiracy theories in general.

Dead and alive: Beliefs in contradictory conspiracy theories. | Robbie Sutton - Academia.edu

I just love how LAM fucks everyone up in these political threads, he makes everyone sound fucking ignorant, definitely the most knowledgeable and level headed member when it comes to politics and economic issues.

LAM for President!

it's all abraham lincolns fault, he got us into a costly war that cost us more american lives than any other war, destabilized a whole region, created a class of welfare citizens and what happened to all that cotton money?