Thread: Steriods in sports

Anyone over 21 should be allowed to use it.

i voted no cause i like to see how far the human body can go without help like someone lifting 900lbs naturally etc...

I agree with that, unfortunately steroids always have been and always will be a part of professional sports.

That's why I have more respect for endurance sports where you can't use drugs to be more powerful. Taking steroids doesn't do an Ironman triathlete any good at all.

it's too much help IMO.. i wouldn't want sports turnin into some freak show.. records being shattered, stats skewed, etc

A triathlete should be prowd enough of himself just to finish.

There is plenty of ways of using varius substances to enhance endurance... not many skiiers, cyclists (or triathletes) are natural...

I won't say not many. I'll say that some of people in those sport might use enhancers but most of the high milage people I've met have been really bad health nuts. I've had to argued with them about creatien and protein before.

Hell yes.

Originally posted by RedDragon
I won't say not many. I'll say that some of people in those sport might use enhancers but most of the high milage people I've met have been really bad health nuts. I've had to argued with them about creatien and protein before.

I meant the real elite guys in the world cup or whatnot... Im sure that most non world champs are "clean".

Hell yes.

Man, you sound awfully passionate about it. Give me some feed back Prince. I want to here some constructive arguing on the subject.

Better yet let's hear a good argument as to why they should not be allowed?

Drugs to not make a champion, it takes genetics, talent, determination, etc.

True that is. I go back and forth on the issue.

Originally posted by prophet
it's too much help IMO.. i wouldn't want sports turnin into some freak show.. records being shattered, stats skewed, etc

too late. steroids have been part of sports for years now. Look at these baseball players hitting the ball the way they do now a days compared to the greatest players of all time of years ago. The Hank Aarons, Babe Ruths, etc. Football well their body weights compared to 20 years ago speak for itself. Olympics? Gemans have a notorious past and lets not forget the power lifters that get busted every Olympics or the runners. Remember Ben Johnson? Hell steroids have been here and here they will stay, like it or not. Me? I don't like it but it's all a mute point.

I think many of us here agree that steroids should be legal (or available under dr supervision). My only problem with them in pro sports is that it raises the bar to the point that no one will be able to compete without them. Some really talented players might not make the cut if they werent willing to juice.

Correct.

And isn't that what we all want to see anyway? Bigger, better, faster, more?

Originally posted by Var
My only problem with them in pro sports is that it raises the bar to the point that no one will be able to compete without them. Some really talented players wouldnt make the cut if they werent willing to juice.

I think we are already there with many sports.

But as I said, steroids do not make a champion.

Originally posted by Prince
I think we are already there with many sports.

But as I said, steroids do not make a champion.

I wasnt commenting on whether or not they are a factor now...clearly they're being used. I'm just saying I'd rather see sports without it. I realize that roids do not make a champion, but don't you think its safe to say they are a huge factor? If you take a gifted athlete who's on gear and an equally gifted one who isnt...who's going to make the cut? I know they are going to be used no matter what I think. Maybe I'm just hanging on to the old ideal of fairness. I do that sometimes.

Originally posted by Prince
Correct.

And isn't that what we all want to see anyway? Bigger, better, faster, more?

No. I don't need to see balls hit further or backs running faster than they already are. I like the rivalry and strategy in sports more than anything.

Originally posted by Var
No. I don't need to see balls hit further or backs running faster than they already are. I like the rivalry and strategy in sports more than anything.

exactly!

Originally posted by Prince
I think we are already there with many sports.

But as I said, steroids do not make a champion.

Steriods don't make a champion, but is sure as heck will limit an athelete's chances of succeeding without using them.

Originally posted by CRASHMAN
i voted no cause i like to see how far the human body can go without help like someone lifting 900lbs naturally etc...

There will be far less numbers of such people, and I honestly dont know if anyone has deadlifted 900 yet at all. Squats are over 1000, still that is far beyond natural except for maybe one human to come along every 50-100 years.

Basically such stories are legend, there is a story of a giant who could carry 7 men on his back like children, and so on.

Well let's start out by looking at bodybuilding. In Arnold's day they were used, but they weren't abused. They looked good and did them in decent amounts. A few years later and look at the freaks we are getting now. They are pumping around 100 grand into their ass a year and it is completely out of control. The only way for a bodybuilder to be the best is to seriously fuck up his health.

If steroids were allowed in sports this would quickly become the case also as athletes would keep juicing more in order to be the best and get the big fat paycheck, or else they wouldn't be played.

The only people that claim Arnold did 2 dbol a week are those still close to him, many others talk of him popping a 'handfull' (7+) of Ciba Dbol before his workouts.

That along with the whiskey protein shakes, dont make me think Arnold was doing too much low dose stuff. While I will agree they probably did some less scary things, they also probably did some scary things too - especially with the orals.

Originally posted by irontime
They are pumping around 100 grand into their ass a year and it is completely out of control.

Paul Dillet has already said that is bullcrap and I believe him. Those guys do what they can afford to do. Someone running 1.5g test and 1.5g EQ a week along with 6iu of hGH is not spending $100,000 a year. Most of them cannot afford anywhere near that to begin with.

For the most part, the only things that are expensive are GH and IGF-1.

Yeah, I heard he and Franco used to pop D-Bol like candy.

Originally posted by Var
Yeah, I heard he and Franco used to pop D-Bol like candy.

Some people on the boards who have been around in the 70s/80s lay claim that Ciba dbol was the king, I have to assume it was overdosed because everyone who has used it says nothing else touches it today.

There are people who have run 100mg dbol along WITH 300mg anadrol, I dont doubt that the pros of old have done similarly freakish things. Once they start getting pretty big they do use high doses.

If anyone really believes Arnold got that big off of 10mg of dbol a week, they are fooling themselves. Why do you think he got so small in the off season? Dbol sits in the system for only hours a day, there is no way he could effectively use two a week. Although what he has said of his own use changes depending on the year Arnold also claimed he only used for 4 weeks before "a really difficult show."

Originally posted by Mudge
$100,000 a year. Most of them cannot afford anywhere near that to begin with.

Alright so I exagerated a bit, but it is around half of that. It is still getting way out of reason

I still disagree. Paul uses test and fina according to him and I believe him, they get what they can afford.

You are talking about a truck load of GH and overpriced at that, there is no way they spend that.

I could agree with $6,000-$15,000, with my last figure being high.

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Originally posted by Prince

But as I said, steroids do not make a champion.

Prince, I'm sorry to disagree with you my friend but steroids do make champions. Race horses are given steroids to cut fat and make them run faster. I'm sure the use of steroids in horses have made a few champions. Same with humans. Ben Johnson as I stated earlier produced the fastest times in the WORLD breaking his own records over and over while using Steroids. Steroids may not "make" a champion as you say but it sure as hell helps!