Thread: Illegal Poem

Geez rock.....you must be an aboriginal Native American


:o

How'd you know?

I could tell...it looked like an updated translation of an old Indian poem...

Originally posted by kbm8795
I could tell...it looked like an updated translation of an old Indian poem...

The White man comes, with Bible in hand
He tells us he likes the look of the land

He told us to close our eyes and pray
and when we reopened them,
the land was taken away.

*sad

Excellent Poem rock, so damn true though makes ya sick.

I got yelled at by my wife though about it. Oh well.

Sounds like a rap song, but sooooooooooooooo true I'm a REAL American I'm not prejudice, just tired of busting my ass to take care of all of 'em. Even Maine is getting invaded, uh oh, wrong subject for me this early in the am.

Thank you Katie!! I work in a hospital ER and it just pisses me off sometimes. I'm not prejudiced either, but fair is fair you know?

Oh, and btw- thank you for that Avi!

TRUE DAT! I am not prejudice either, but whats mine is mine. I am sick and fucking tired of paying more for those who do nothing. That includes aliens and citizens. I am from VT, the Welfare state, and although there are very few aliens, they are coming over the border more from Canada. I say, close the borders and get all of our own working first.

It still reminds me of what the native American tribes must have been thinking when the white settlers arrived on the continent needing their land for crops, their forests to build homes, and their game to feed themselves.

It's not a bad poem, rock....just aimed at one particular nationality. Most of this country has been settled and developed by immigration from all kinds of people leaving other countries, and every one of them had some number of "illegal" immigrants entering the nation, AND their own historical place being ostracized and discriminated against for doing so.

Ya know, France once gave us a big statue that sits in the middle of New York's harbor.....with a statement that starts with "Give us your tired, your poor...your huddled masses yearning to be free..."....

Most of our own families came to this country without a job, without food, without shelter, and without knowing the language. They settled in crowded ghettoes, begged for food or searched for jobs that the established people didn't want, saved their pennies and sent for the rest of their families from Europe. After all, there was plenty of land here, even if we had treaties with the native Americans prohibiting us from settling it....which, of course, were broken.

During the largest waves of immigration, the federal government started setting quotas according to countries in an attempt to preserve the new predominantly white Nordic makeup of our own nation. Most of the established charitable services at the time were busy handling ghettoes in the big city that were not created by migrating freed slaves from the South, but rather people often smuggled into this country from Ireland, Italy, and many eastern European countries. Very few people entered this country with a guarantee of citizenship or work.

In the 1880's, there were occasional riots in cities between Euro-nationality groups over such issues as jobs, housing and welfare. Even many hospitals were started by churches affiliated with certain immigrant groups - and there were cases where people would not be treated if they were from a different group. Most immigrant groups, whether legal or not, were not assimilated into the "mainstream" culture for two-three generations.

While I understand the frustration over straining social services and tax dollars to take care of people who walk across the border, it's not as if this particular group is the only one entering the country. Our history is full of situations in which immigrants (legal and otherwise) were used as cheap labor to build the railroads, work in sweatshops and do jobs that the more established population shunned as too lowpaying.

Then, of course, we had our own racial/ethnic "purges," where groups the federal government didn't like were openly denied employment and services. California passed a law once prohibiting Chinese from voting or working, for example, out of fear that too many of them were coming there and destroying the "white" identity of the country. Mormons, who had settled in Utah, were forced to change their religious beliefs, even though they had moved there to escape American persecution. It was one reason why that state didn't enter the Union until the turn of the last century.

And how did we handle the Native Americans who we had broken treaties with, pushed westward until there was no place left to go, and placed on reservations that were also often moved again if we discovered the land had some value? We instituted a campaign in which we constructed military schools, took all the native children from their parents, dressed them as white and gave them Anglo names in an attempt to turn them into white folks.

It's easy to stereotype one particular nationality as lazy, unproductive people....and much harder to recognize that the real threat is that if we continue to ship companies and jobs outside the country (where they can pay Mexicans, for example, much less to produce goods and services than greedy white Americans who need to maintain their expected standard of living)...it may well be US who end up having to eventually sneak across borders looking for a way to support our own kids.

That's how and why many of our own families got to THIS country to begin with. . .

Originally posted by MTN WARRIOR
TRUE DAT! I am not prejudice either, but whats mine is mine. I am sick and fucking tired of paying more for those who do nothing. That includes aliens and citizens. I am from VT, the Welfare state, and although there are very few aliens, they are coming over the border more from Canada. I say, close the borders and get all of our own working first.

If we want to do that, we might have to stop so many of our companies from closing here and moving operations overseas. I don't know the last time you looked at a label when you purchased nearly ANYTHING, but "Made in China" is more common now than buying much "made in the USA."

Originally posted by rock4832
Oh, and btw- thank you for that Avi!

My pleasure

Originally posted by kbm8795
If we want to do that, we might have to stop so many of our companies from closing here and moving operations overseas. I don't know the last time you looked at a label when you purchased nearly ANYTHING, but "Made in China" is more common now than buying much "made in the USA."

You made a great and very long post, but well stated...........our world certainly is changing, I've actually said to people on the phone, "Is there anyone American that works there?" So many companies hire foreigners and outside of this country, if you call HP, your talking to someone in another country, yet we have so many American's jobless and homeless, hmmmmmmmmm, why, I think we are used to a catered lifestyle, why should we stoop to a lower poor class of living, but you know what I say to that, buck up baby, go get a fucking job and take care of your family and get off the fucking street
I've been on both ends of the spectrum and I've worked since I was 14, my son started working at our family restaurant when he was 8, the editor of a newspaper in Tallahassee Florida (I'll have to find the article) she visited the restaurant and my son waited on her, she wrote an article about him working at his age (which was 10 at the time)and the way this country is becoming because we Americans spoil our children so badly that they can't even get out of their own way without us carrying them, I agreed whole heartedly with the article, and I have a huge problem with mothers on welfare, get off your lazy fucking ass and get a job bitch, I've been there, I have raised my children alone with no child support, there are "no excuses" for not being able to find work and support yourself and when I couldn't afford to pay for something I needed (not a want) then I bartered with the company, work for fuel, you can overcome any obstacle if your willing to, I do it, and I do it well..........sorry for the rant, just gets to me