Thread: free speaking and free thinking

You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please everybody all of the time.

Thats how it is man, someone somewhere is always going to, how do you say, "get all up in your shit."

Someone is going to be a critic, even in a group of fans.

As always ,you give me food for thought Mudge.And you are quite correct.However I just have to be honest and say, I'm from another time and way of thinkin I suppose as some of the folks that make posts here. So to be honest I had wondered if perhaps it was an attack on my speakin manner , as it reflects most likely a image of "street smarts" or assumed "thug life" or even something as petty as being jet (black),.but there are always 3 sides to everything,myside, yourside,, and then the REALSIDE.Most peeps never get past the the first unfortunatly.But as you and I seem to agree on, the world is much bigger than any of our backyards and it takes all kinds to even make a world. I'm into and enjoying studying history a bit, and some of the mentality that is reflected in the comments that are made is kinda scary,even to "a thugged out , ill spittin", jet set guy" ( translation ,"a thugged out ",Meaning person aware of life on the streets from legal to illegal , the good and the bad,and able to deal with that enviroment and survive. "ill spittin" one who speaks the lango of the streets,but is not restricted to that ,sometimes hardcore but always true."jet set" of the Black race, as in "jet black" and "set" a group of people, friends,family,organisations and yes even gangs.) as it brings to mind somes 50's and 60's kinda behavior. The reason I use the term "on-line lynch mobs" is because of these reasons, it seems as soon as 1 persons that aims and fires stupidity into a reply, it spreads out like a virus, and before you know it every coward now has enough support( from strangers mind you) to as we say where I'm from "let his nuts hang" That to me is different from progressive thinkin,where I do my thing, you do your thing,and if we're lucky God will sprinkle us both with mad love. Just a thought! I'm pretty sure that posting what this will allow me to become a 155lb ringside heavybag to alot of Y'all, just keep the shots above the belt ha ha. PEACE

Originally posted by Mikhal
I've been gettin ripped constantly, bout my vocal style.I was and am in a area where everyone kinda talks like me so communication is never a problem,and I don't have crazy problems gettin info and breaking it down from others, no matter how they come with it. But lately it seems that when I post a question or a reponse a lot of peeps change the focus from what we may be kickin to the way I'm spittin what I've got say, to the point of insults and dissing. It's not like I say anything rude or try to dis anyone, It just jumps off all of a sudden, and then the on line "lynch mob" joins in for the public stoneing. Then I look at some post and notice that there are others here who speak in a simular fashion, some even quote things that I've said earlier and it's cool. I don't get it?Some peeps use the forums to live their tough guy fantasies out and call a person outta there names when they don't know that person or have reasons to do so.I'm straight up old school ,so I came up when you showed love (respect) to those that showed you love. Basically "don't start no stuff, won't be no stuff, Feel me?I was always raised up being taught that you do your dirt face to face, not computer to computer as that would seem to me to be one of the highest form of cowardism, to dis someone you know you'll never run into. I guess some would call it playing it safe. I call it safe playa hateing.How sad.Why is it such a big damn deal,if I talk different than ,you or you from me?And why cut into someone for being themselves. I once heard Jimi Hendrix say " I'm the one thats got to die when it's time for me to die .so let me live my life the way I want to"Just wondering am I the only one who notices this stuff?

Originally posted by Mikhal
As always ,you give me food for thought Mudge.And you are quite correct.However I just have to be honest and say, I'm from another time and way of thinkin I suppose as some of the folks that make posts here. So to be honest I had wondered if perhaps it was an attack on my speakin manner , as it reflects most likely a image of "street smarts" or assumed "thug life" or even something as petty as being jet (black),.but there are always 3 sides to everything,myside, yourside,, and then the REALSIDE.Most peeps never get past the the first unfortunatly.But as you and I seem to agree on, the world is much bigger than any of our backyards and it takes all kinds to even make a world. I'm into and enjoying studying history a bit, and some of the mentality that is reflected in the comments that are made is kinda scary,even to "a thugged out , ill spittin", jet set guy" ( translation ,"a thugged out ",Meaning person aware of life on the streets from legal to illegal , the good and the bad,and able to deal with that enviroment and survive. "ill spittin" one who speaks the lango of the streets,but is not restricted to that ,sometimes hardcore but always true."jet set" of the Black race, as in "jet black" and "set" a group of people, friends,family,organisations and yes even gangs.) as it brings to mind somes 50's and 60's kinda behavior. The reason I use the term "on-line lynch mobs" is because of these reasons, it seems as soon as 1 persons that aims and fires stupidity into a reply, it spreads out like a virus, and before you know it every coward now has enough support( from strangers mind you) to as we say where I'm from "let his nuts hang" That to me is different from progressive thinkin,where I do my thing, you do your thing,and if we're lucky God will sprinkle us both with mad love. Just a thought! I'm pretty sure that posting what this will allow me to become a 155lb ringside heavybag to alot of Y'all, just keep the shots above the belt ha ha. PEACE

By the looks of these posts perhaps you communication problem is you inability to form paragraphs

Could someone please translate and in a few sentences or so, explain what Mikhal is saying here? English preferred. Thanks.

To be honest I beleive it is his version of the golden rule.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

He says what he thinks about an issue with no sugar coatings.
He will tell you what he thinks about you or your opinion in "honesty" and not in an attempt to insult you.

I respect a man who tells the truth straight up even if it is hurtful.

There are some cats here who jump on and sling around obscenities and insults with no tact and these people are those he cannot understand. But I would not want to understand them.

I beleive, like me, he sees the sillyness of outright attacking somone on the computer. Not only is it stupid, it is pointless.

I agree with him on many points. I hope my interpretation of his post is correct.

Kuso , I ask you with all respect. Is that all you seen when you read that? on the real man. I'm so sorry that this time we focus on my forming paragraphs. Still got love for you tho homey! Do your thing. PEACE

I'm very happy to say that Sam, has expressed my thoughts and done so with a strong mind and a steel heart. Sam thanks for translatin ,now at least maybe it'll be easier for the next batch of insults. ha ha! PEACE

naw I don't know what you are talkin about man, that happens... here?! no way yeah right!
There are some straight up hatin mo fos on this board, not to name names or anything. I have been in so many god damn fights since I joined this board. Some of them have been my fault, I admit. I am sometimes quick to snap when someone trys to get on here and spank me like that, it is just a natural reflex action for me. Sometimes it has been b/c I came across too extreme for some people, for teh most part, too many instances to count have been where people read into what I am sayin or interpret something the wrong way and try to take it out on me, or they just straight up hate for no reason, which is the just bitch made. Now for those people that are mature, we have ended up working it out b/c its all good like that and alot of times become friends, but some people are just asshole wanna be thuggs on their comp (again no names) and there is no reasoning with them. Bottom line is I can feel 100% what the fuck you are sayin dawg b/c I have been getting it since day 1. Grow up all you pussies that try and initiate beef on the computer, it is pointless, no one really knows each other on here so save that superman shit for real life. All the real true people on here know whats up b/c they are respectful and mature and can resolves difference without attacking others, and much love to you all, you know who you are. And to those who can't do that, go practice socializing with real people so you can learn how, this isn't third grade is it? Step it up haterz..

GR, you and me rollin together, between all the people that hate your stylo and mine ? Are you nuts? we'll never make it outta here alive now ha ha ha ! what up doe dawg? Always a treat, when playas meet. PEACE! PS watch your paragraphs homey you'll get shot for shizzy! ha ha ha

It's all good, Mikhal - you do things with respect for others and that's what matters. And you sound like you'd help someone out if they'd ask you a question, so that's all okay with me.

You can trust that gr81...that dude scraps so much around here that we got his keyboard covered with Bandaids.

It's all good, Mikhal - you do things with respect for others and that's what matters. And you sound like you'd help someone out if they'd ask you a question, so that's all okay with me.

Sho ya rite, If I'm down with you ,I'm down like 4 flat tires homey! I gotta keep it real.Can't be true to the game (life) if I can't be true to myself first. If I can ever answer a question bout anything I know (not think I know), I'll bleed for you homey. Feel that ,Please! Bandaids on his keyboard, ha ha thats priceless !!! PEACE

Originally posted by kbm8795
You can trust that gr81...that dude scraps so much around here that we got his keyboard covered with Bandaids.

oh it true man, its true! I don't like fighting with people though, well at least nto all the time, ha. good lookin out thou Kbm. I have to say that I enjoy readin your responses that you have made in certain threads, keep it up playa

word.

You say you only heard Jimi's "If 6 was 9" once, listen to it some more, theres a powerful message in there. It's all about people doing there own thing in harmony, that part where the 3 of them go off on the their own tangents yet keep it together signifies that.

No actually I've most likly heard it more like a Million times ha ha.I grew up listening and at one point living to hear his music.As a matter of fact the whole Axis Bold as Love" Album" ( told you I was old school) ha ha,is still inspirational for me. Jimi would feel what I'm talking bout. There's also a part in the same song that reminds us " that I got my own world to live through, and I ain't gonna copy you" Very strong statement. I'm just trying " to stand up next to a mountian,and chop it down with the edge of my hand" Feel me PEACE

I'm not getting into a battle here with anyone but I can't stand when people talk nasty to others for voicing an opinion or belief. People must understand that these internet boards, chat rooms etc reach out to the "world" not just the USA, England or what have you. You have different walks of life here and everywhere. Every class of person are members here, (lower class, middle class, upper class = financial incomes) City people, back woods people and burbians such as myself so I can't stand when people look down on anyone because they sound or look differently unless they are Iraqi. (thats a joke). So using your terminology, I feel you and I don't like seeing people treated in such a manner. I'd like you to post some links here so I can see some examples of what your saying.

I'll tell ya though, being 41 and from the outskirts of the township, I find your verbage rather amusing as GR8 knows. I've never heard that dialect before GR8 came along earlier in the year. For the longest time I thought he was black.lol He has been teaching me some of the phrases you guys use. Now as you can tell, I'm open minded and willing to learn the translations but many here are not and don't know what your talking about with the new version of eubonics.

New things always take time to understand better, firestorm....heck...I can't tell ya how many times I'll be standing in front of a classroom with a heated discussion going on (and I get students from the inner city, a bunch of foreign countries, and the smallest farm towns) and they start spouting off slang terms that I've never heard before. I've had to stop the discussion and remind them that I'm an old person, so they've gotta tell me what those words mean. . .

I know I've only been around here a couple of months and have already posted enough nasty messages to turn off plenty of people, but I don't believe in using degrading insults as a substitute for meaningful discussion. Oh, I get P.O.ed plenty...and I get an attitude if I think someone gets picked on merely because they exist.

You get my respect, firestorm - ya know I don't always agree, but I've never seen you post remarks that you didn't own as yours and about yourself - and you don't need or expect everyone else to sing the same notes in the choir or be annihilated.

Ya know, when I first started teaching journalism, it was pretty easy - I had been doing the work myself for years. But when they tossed me speech classes to teach, it was a whole new ballgame.
You get a couple dozen students in a classroom, forced to take a course they hate and even worse, having to stand in front of each other and give speeches. I had to set down rules right away - like everyone's voice is gonna be heard and respected and that I expected each speech to be about something meaningful about themselves.

The first class I taught, there was this big redneck guy who came up to me after class acting really uncomfortable. He told me he was afraid to do a speech about his favorite hobby. He lived in a small town and grew up hunting with his dad and grandfather - and, at 19, was already an expert at tracking and hunting lots of different game - he even hunted alligator. I'm standing there thinking that I've never killed anything but a few invading bugs. . .hell, I even swerved half off a road once so I wouldn't run over a damned turtle trying to cross the highway.

So I asked him why he was afraid to give a speech about something he was obviously expert at, and he told me that every time he met someone at school or mentioned it, he got the PC lecture about killing Bambi . . .so I told him that was exactly why he needed to give that speech - it was his turn to let people know what it really meant to him without being shut down.

Well, he was real nervous when his turn came - sweaty palms, weaker voice starting off - but when he got going, he talked about how his hunting trips had drawn him closer to his dad and grandpa...how good hunters have rules about managing and selecting kills and how it wasn't a sport about going out to see how many things you could kill. He talked about the feelings he had standing in a tree for hours, getting to know the woods waiting for the deer. He even brought a coyote pelt he had killed and skinned himself and passed it around for people to feel.

So you get this class with lots of kids from the middle of Chicago who had never even seen a coyote before, touching something for the first time and hearing how one of their classmates had developed the skills to put food on his own table. . .it was one of the best speeches that semester.

At the end of the semester, he wrote on the class evaluation that it was the first time he had ever experienced being accepted for that part of himself....and that having the class applaud and show interest in his skills not only made him feel comfortable with them but opened him up to listening to their speeches. But even better, half a dozen of his classmates wrote on their evaluations that his presentation was one of the most meaningful learning memories they'll be taking from the classroom.

That's what discussion is supposed to be all about - if you let someone have their own voice without being intimidated, everyone ends up learning.

Originally posted by Mikhal
GR, you and me rollin together, between all the people that hate your stylo and mine ? Are you nuts? we'll never make it outta here alive now ha ha ha ! what up doe dawg? Always a treat, when playas meet. PEACE! PS watch your paragraphs homey you'll get shot for shizzy! ha ha ha

I watched Malibu's Most Wanted last night. It reminds me of this thread.

Peace out. Fo' shizzle.

Firestrom, kbm, ponyboy,You guys are all world class dudes,with world class attitudes.You guys have gotta make your place of business and hoods you you crib up in better places to be. I would love for my child to meet yours and enjoy and gain from your wisdom. Firestorm, I really respect your honesty, and your true desire to ask and not to dis.I'm sure that you guys got front row seats in heaven. Here is an interesting note. I've been bracing and waiting for all the people that attend the "on-line lynchings to come and have a big ol"fuck you party" on me. It's been a whole day ,and when they are given a chance in a thred to speak what they feel about me,or the way I spit my game, they just have not done so.? I think that everyone that has posted a reply has been very much on the positive tip, and I think that what I mentioned about the "coward support system" only works when as I mentioned stupidity is left unchecked, and groomed by others in the same mindset. "Fanning the flame" for lack of a better term.It strikes me that these people would rather "hijack" someones thred about something totally different then twist and manipulate it into some gutter behavior. Too much truth will not allow ,that negitive vibe to exist.Also noticed that I've been understood by most, and those that did'nt were very honest and respectful in asking about what they did'nt. No witty insults,no gettin called retarded(the funny part about that is they call me retarded because THEY don't understand duh?)no being called outta my name,(yet ha ha)no invitations to kiss someones ass. Hey wait a minute, are we on the same forum? ha ha ha. For some reason I've got a feelin that we may all be older than alot of people that post here, or at the very least we act older,and have most likely seen more of life and possibly the world. Seems like we all had some "home training" and are all confident enough in ourselves, to not feel the need to slam others , to give on-line impression sessions. You guys make sure to make kids, the world needs more peeps like Y'all PEACE

A peaceful thred, who'd a thought, all the haters must be sleeping late. We got a gang of slang here and peeps speakin their minds their way and theres no dissing, maybe everyone should talk this way.I got mad Love for all Y'all, thats real.

i assume your talking about me when i said it sounds "retarded".
perhaps i should've used a better word, but one could not come to mind.

and at no point was i trying to insult you mikhal, which clearly you didnt understand. i was simply stating my opinoin. and to refresh your memory it was this........
the people that i have ever come into contact with in my life that have talked like "that" have all been punks. they lie, cheat and steal their way through the little window of time that they've been a part of my life. i generalized it to Rasheed Wallace, because he was crying how the NBA oppresses young black men by making money of them. "Nah yo. The NBA be expoiten yound niggaz. i ain't one of dem stupid young niggas dough. i know what be goin on behind the scenes". Yes, Rasheed, you're right, Kevin Garnett is using his $126 million dollar contract to wipe his tears.

therefore, at no point was i trying to insult you. i was never trying to talk down to people that talk like "that". i simply said i dont understand why people talked like that, and that the people that i've come into contact with like "that" are all tough guys in their big groups of friends, but pussies when they're alone.

i agree with every single thing you posted on this thread. i think these forums serve a great purpose to acquire information for youself, and ask questions about something that you don't understand that hopefully someone else can answer for you.
if people are open minded enough, everyone can benefit.

and this was not meant to "kiss your ass" as you suggest. it was simply my opinion, and it happened to conflict with yours, plain and simple.

Hey Flex, what up! Well first don't assume my brotha, cuz in this case you would be wrong.As a matter of fact I think that you are one of the cooler folks around this piece. And to remind you ,you NEVER did call me retarded, that would be another fellow who I won't even give a play to be mentioning, but I think you know who I'm speaking on .We'll call him compu-thug,and leave it at that. naw ,naw bro you been major cool,you do bring up race quite a bit tho ,(just keepin it real) but that's all good because you always come correct with you vibe homey. And I was stating that I had not recieved any invites to kiss anyones ass, as I would never make that offer for several reasons, one of which is that's just not my stylo, and most importantly it sounds kinda weak for a man to say that kinda thing to another man, just my way of thinkin. And this thred is all good for you to disagree with me on,cause I don't even have all the questions, so it would be impossible for me to have all the answers. you tight playa. PEACE

. No witty insults,no gettin called retarded(the funny part about that is they call me retarded because THEY don't understand duh?)no being called outta my name,(yet ha ha)no invitations to kiss someones ass. Hey wait a minute, are we on the same forum?

read it again hometeam.I think you may have misread it the first time,And on this thred you ain't gotta assume, keep it real , JUST ASK ME, let me be man enough to answer, so that we have no misunderstandings. thank you for lettin me be myself.

dammit, Flex....forget about havin' "Surrender Ronnie" painted across your back....

I'm gonna have it tattooed there.

i'm glad we got that cleared up mikhal, no hard feelings bro

Originally posted by kbm8795
dammit, Flex....forget about havin' "Surrender Ronnie" painted across your back....

I'm gonna have it tattooed there.

haha, i completely forgot. funny shit. whats up kbm? how you doin bro?

i think its more like this though "SURRENEDER RONNIE"

Originally posted by firestorm
I've never heard that dialect before GR8 came along earlier in the year.

Shit, I still nead a dictionary when the damn guy logs on. LOL

Mikhal, I'm feelin' ya man.

In all seriousness though, anyone here that knows me can say I have prolly jumped in their shiat at one point or another. Even some of my closest peeps. Many times when we don't agree with someone's viewpoint we can get hateful...sad but true. And as we all know, when the claws come out we look for something that is easy to attack. Many times, that can be our vocabulary, religious beliefs, social status, etc. I'm guilty of this too...ask gr8. I guess where my biggest frustration comes from is if people are trying to actually communicate to the point where everyone can understand where are they are coming from, then put it on the damn bottom shelf where everyone can reach it. It sucks having to read posts where I need a friggin decoder ring to figure out wtf they are saying. lol Again, that is no excuse for personal attacts. I can't speak for everyone here, but if I get in your shiat, you are not the first or last and it is not personal. lol But rest assured...it will NEVER be because of the color of your skin man...NEVER. Do you feel me?

Take care.
Bo