God or Evolution

moon · 01-09-2004, 01:10 PM

no one knows the truth but what do u want to believe and what will u believe until u die?

**I Are Baboon** · 01-09-2004, 01:16 PM

Oh crap, heeeeeeere we go.

HoldDaMayo · 01-09-2004, 01:18 PM

I actually like that Marilyn Manson quote too... even being a Christian... I am not a slave to a god of Materialistic things... I am not a slave to a god of Financial endowment... because those god's don't exist... the quote still leaves the option of I AM a slave to the God that DOES exist... so all in all... I think it's a pretty smart statement...

bandaidwoman · 01-09-2004, 01:28 PM

I chose niether.

Creationism and evolution do not have to be mutually exclusive.
What if evolution is God's blueprint? In addition, Darwinism is now outdated.

Darwin's theory does have many holes, and it continues to evolve so that the basic tenets have changed considerably. One of the "holes" is its failure in explaining the Cambrian explosion where millions of new species seem to instantaneously appear on the earth. (Creationists use this as a way of invalidating Darwin).To say evolution is wrong because there are inconsistancies belittles the scientific endevour of systematically elucidating our best guess to explain the natural world around us.

Newtonian physics and his basic laws are still valid despite the fact that it completely crumbles when you try to use it to explain subatomic matter or the quantum world. This inconsistency does not subtract from Newtonian physics. We still use Newtonian physics to lauch the space shuttle, not quantum mechanics. The same can be said for the punctated equilibrium or the lack of evidence of "slow morphing" into new species. We need to come up with a better scientific explanation.

Darwin's theory was a rudimentary first step. and it predicts certain phenomena in the fossil record with a certain degree of accuracy. Does it explain the whole thing? Well no. Nobody would be working on evolutionary biology if it did.

For the record, people who adhere to the theory of evolution are not called "Darwinists" they are called "Evolutionary theorists." That's not pc nitpicking, it's an expression of the fact that it's misleading to call people trying to advance evolutionary biology after a theory that not one scientist will support as complete. It's like calling physicists "newtonists."

The short version: does evolution occur? Absolutely - the fossil record simply couldn't be created any other way. Does this evolution occur through Darwinian mechanisms? No, not exlusively anyway - it's possible that Darwinian mechanisms contribute, though.

nikegurl · 01-09-2004, 01:30 PM

i've never seen it as an "either/or"

both

moon · 01-09-2004, 01:34 PM

woh bandaid has strong devotion to defend

DFINEST · 01-09-2004, 02:01 PM

GOD

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What does not kill you
makes you stronger

butterfly · 01-09-2004, 02:03 PM

I agree with bandaidwoman and nikegurl.

bandaidwoman · 01-09-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by moon
woh bandaid has strong devotion to defend

Sorry, I find myself rehashing this argument over and over again here in the deep bible belt south (remember, they are advocating teaching creationism in the public schools and/or getting rid of evolutionary teaching.) Thus, I get overly passionate about the subject.

maddog1 · 01-09-2004, 03:02 PM

What came first, ribosomes or the DNA to encode for the production of ribosomes. They both had to be present concurrently for a cell to undergo cytokinesis.
Evolution by itself doesn't hold water.
Check out Supernatural selection.

**Prince** · 01-09-2004, 03:21 PM

this debate no longer interests me...it never goes anywhere.

JJJ · 01-09-2004, 03:50 PM

What prince said.

Its fun IRL but here it just takes 3 weeks to exhange 10 sentences...

maniclion · 01-09-2004, 06:31 PM

You forgot the option: Neither, we are just one big SIMS game.

BigBallaGA · 01-09-2004, 07:01 PM

EVO without a doubt !

Crono1000 · 01-09-2004, 07:03 PM

kbm8795 · 01-09-2004, 08:36 PM

We were colonized by the Klingons....xcept now they are called Republicans.

Rocco32 · 01-09-2004, 08:36 PM

Both, and I'm am very much a christian. I don't believe it happened quite the way Darwin puts it (who later in fact did renounce his claims) but evolution is evident I think. However I do not believe we came from single celled amebas (?) or monkeys.

**P-funk** · 01-09-2004, 08:37 PM

Who cares? I am more interested in knowing what happens when I die. I f it is worse than this than I am going to be really pissed off!!

Jenny · 01-10-2004, 02:01 AM

Both

kuso · 01-10-2004, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
Who cares? I am more interested in knowing what happens when I die. I f it is worse than this than I am going to be really pissed off!!

LOL......I relate to this

HoldDaMayo · 01-10-2004, 03:45 AM

If this thread was about MItsubishi Lancer Evo(lution) I would be ALLLLL over it...

moon · 01-10-2004, 10:45 AM

I just want to know what people believe currently. I know there is no point discussing about it .
sry i forget neither option. So this poll is not meant for non-Christians.

Rixmon · 01-10-2004, 10:52 AM

Both, Both I tell you! hehe

camarosuper6 · 01-11-2004, 05:24 AM

Maybe Gods plan WAS evolution.

Im for God all the way, but only he has all the answers. Not much fun worrying about things well never figure out.

BigBallaGA · 01-11-2004, 07:47 AM

who is this god guy everyone keep refering to ?!?!?

i think its painfully obvious to all the church going people that science is finally starting to shovel religion under the carpet !!! give it another 50 - 100 years, religion will evanesce into history !!!!!

katie64 · 01-11-2004, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bandaidwoman

Creationism and evolution do not have to be mutually exclusive.
What if evolution is God's blueprint?

katie64 · 01-11-2004, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
Who cares? I am more interested in knowing what happens when I die. I f it is worse than this than I am going to be really pissed off!!

ME too

moon · 01-11-2004, 10:08 AM

how about Adam and Eve. If God is true then Bible would be wrong .

moon · 01-11-2004, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBallaGA
who is this god guy everyone keep refering to ?!?!?

i think its painfully obvious to all the church going people that science is finally starting to shovel religion under the carpet !!! give it another 50 - 100 years, religion will evanesce into history !!!!!

this guy is getting smart

Tank316 · 01-11-2004, 11:17 AM

i personally like coors light,

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01-09-2004, 01:10 PM	#1
moon Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: zzzz Posts: 473	God or Evolution no one knows the truth but what do u want to believe and what will u believe until u die?

01-09-2004, 01:18 PM	#3
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	I actually like that Marilyn Manson quote too... even being a Christian... I am not a slave to a god of Materialistic things... I am not a slave to a god of Financial endowment... because those god's don't exist... the quote still leaves the option of I AM a slave to the God that DOES exist... so all in all... I think it's a pretty smart statement... Are you kidding me????

01-09-2004, 01:28 PM	#4
bandaidwoman inadvertant tree hugger Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 728 Photos: 4	I chose niether. Creationism and evolution do not have to be mutually exclusive. What if evolution is God's blueprint? In addition, Darwinism is now outdated. Darwin's theory does have many holes, and it continues to evolve so that the basic tenets have changed considerably. One of the "holes" is its failure in explaining the Cambrian explosion where millions of new species seem to instantaneously appear on the earth. (Creationists use this as a way of invalidating Darwin).To say evolution is wrong because there are inconsistancies belittles the scientific endevour of systematically elucidating our best guess to explain the natural world around us. Newtonian physics and his basic laws are still valid despite the fact that it completely crumbles when you try to use it to explain subatomic matter or the quantum world. This inconsistency does not subtract from Newtonian physics. We still use Newtonian physics to lauch the space shuttle, not quantum mechanics. The same can be said for the punctated equilibrium or the lack of evidence of "slow morphing" into new species. We need to come up with a better scientific explanation. Darwin's theory was a rudimentary first step. and it predicts certain phenomena in the fossil record with a certain degree of accuracy. Does it explain the whole thing? Well no. Nobody would be working on evolutionary biology if it did. For the record, people who adhere to the theory of evolution are not called "Darwinists" they are called "Evolutionary theorists." That's not pc nitpicking, it's an expression of the fact that it's misleading to call people trying to advance evolutionary biology after a theory that not one scientist will support as complete. It's like calling physicists "newtonists." The short version: does evolution occur? Absolutely - the fossil record simply couldn't be created any other way. Does this evolution occur through Darwinian mechanisms? No, not exlusively anyway - it's possible that Darwinian mechanisms contribute, though. Official Race Member of the Crank Crushing Rednecks Eat more mud, mountain bike until you die! XX Feminine power

01-09-2004, 01:30 PM	#5
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,641	i've never seen it as an "either/or" both If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

01-09-2004, 01:16 PM	#2
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,942 Photos: 4	Oh crap, heeeeeeere we go.

01-09-2004, 01:34 PM	#6
moon Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: zzzz Posts: 473	woh bandaid has strong devotion to defend

01-09-2004, 02:01 PM	#7
DFINEST She hasn't found me yet Join Date: May 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,053	GOD *********************************** What does not kill you makes you stronger Drama is the result of an attempt to find wholeness & success in the midst of forces that have been birthed in chaos and nurtured in confusion. -- No More Drama

01-09-2004, 02:03 PM	#8
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	I agree with bandaidwoman and nikegurl. ~Ann We must teach our children to dream with their eyes open. -Harry Edwards

01-09-2004, 03:02 PM	#10
maddog1 Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 313	What came first, ribosomes or the DNA to encode for the production of ribosomes. They both had to be present concurrently for a cell to undergo cytokinesis. Evolution by itself doesn't hold water. Check out Supernatural selection. Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed. Booker T. Washington

01-09-2004, 03:21 PM	#11
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01-09-2004, 03:50 PM	#12
JJJ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Under your bed Posts: 1,146	What prince said. Its fun IRL but here it just takes 3 weeks to exhange 10 sentences...

01-09-2004, 06:31 PM	#13
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	You forgot the option: Neither, we are just one big SIMS game. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

01-09-2004, 07:01 PM	#14
BigBallaGA LA ISLA BONITA Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,363 Photos: 4	EVO without a doubt ! http://users.skynet.be/bk284631/headlogo.gif http://www.tranceaddict.com/bgrounds...er_smaller.gif http://www.tranceaddict.com/bgrounds...er_smaller.gif http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/club.gif

01-09-2004, 07:03 PM	#15
Crono1000 Peelosopher Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,043 Photos: 11	both

01-09-2004, 08:37 PM	#18
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01-09-2004, 08:36 PM	#16
kbm8795 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,367 Photos: 1	We were colonized by the Klingons....xcept now they are called Republicans.

01-09-2004, 08:36 PM	#17
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,329 Photos: 18	Both, and I'm am very much a christian. I don't believe it happened quite the way Darwin puts it (who later in fact did renounce his claims) but evolution is evident I think. However I do not believe we came from single celled amebas (?) or monkeys. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

01-10-2004, 02:01 AM	#19
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	Both

01-10-2004, 03:45 AM	#21
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	If this thread was about MItsubishi Lancer Evo(lution) I would be ALLLLL over it... Are you kidding me????

01-10-2004, 10:45 AM	#22
moon Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: zzzz Posts: 473	I just want to know what people believe currently. I know there is no point discussing about it . sry i forget neither option. So this poll is not meant for non-Christians.

01-10-2004, 10:52 AM	#23
Rixmon Ex Sumo wrestler Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Osaka, Tokyo Posts: 182 Photos: 1	Both, Both I tell you! hehe

01-11-2004, 05:24 AM	#24
camarosuper6 Unstoppable Force Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,415	Maybe Gods plan WAS evolution. Im for God all the way, but only he has all the answers. Not much fun worrying about things well never figure out. "Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy tired of screwing her"

01-11-2004, 07:47 AM	#25
BigBallaGA LA ISLA BONITA Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,363 Photos: 4	who is this god guy everyone keep refering to ?!?!? i think its painfully obvious to all the church going people that science is finally starting to shovel religion under the carpet !!! give it another 50 - 100 years, religion will evanesce into history !!!!! http://users.skynet.be/bk284631/headlogo.gif http://www.tranceaddict.com/bgrounds...er_smaller.gif http://www.tranceaddict.com/bgrounds...er_smaller.gif http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/club.gif

01-11-2004, 10:08 AM	#28
moon Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: zzzz Posts: 473	how about Adam and Eve. If God is true then Bible would be wrong .

01-11-2004, 11:17 AM	#30
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