Thread: Forgive O.J.?

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus could you forgive and forget the following characters:
hitler.
Bundy.
O.J. Simpson.

Hitler: Absolutely not! He thougth what he did was RIGHT. The first step toward forgiveness is recognizing you did something wrong.

Bundy: See "Hitler" answer.

O.J.: Forgive? For what? He was innocent.

These three poeple did things that did not affect me in anyway.now if they killed some one i new than that would be a different story.....all i know is that 2 of them are burning in hell and the other one will be soon

Originally posted by ALBOB

O.J.: Forgive? For what? He was innocent.

lol

i wouldn't want any of them posting in my journal.

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
So, since Bush was compared to hitler-

I don't understand what you meant by this???

Originally posted by butterfly
I don't understand what you meant by this???

Prince started a thread: Bush = Hitler.

Originally posted by ALBOB
Prince started a thread: Bush = Hitler.

I know that, I just don't see where he was going by mentioning it

i left out the bush thing regarding forgiving Bush.. it didn't make sense and would have had the same thread going over here as over in that particular thread. so i mentioned it but didn't go back to edit out the bush reference as , well, it was a 'fascinating " comparison. ( i am not going to say interesting as i don't want EGGS to interject " you are superior, you are superior .. )

can you forgive these sorts of people who do something terrible to a group of people and then just waltz back into the life of the people whose trust they betrayed or families they destroyed.

the predators always have the luxury of just strolling back into their own life as if nothing happened. they truly don't understand how life has in fact changed for everyone else involved.

it's like the brutish oaf of a husband who, after beating his wife the night before, wakes up the next day and can't understand why she is upset with him. or in his words is " bitchy" .

or the backstabbing friend who can never understand why people ignore him or don't want to hang around anymore..

Originally posted by ALBOB
Hitler: Absolutely not! He thougth what he did was RIGHT. The first step toward forgiveness is recognizing you did something wrong.

Bundy: See "Hitler" answer.

O.J.: Forgive? For what? He was innocent.

he was found not guilty. never said innocent. every one of the nuts on the jury ( except for Anne ) said that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

and the funny thing is that i gave up orange juice after the verdict. it is weird but i cannot bring myself to buy it anymore. i also gave up vodka and orange juice. i can't drink oj anymore as i can't take oj. the way it goes .

ALBOB, what if you just SAY that you understand that what you did is wrong, but you really don't understand at all but after hearing from everyone else, you realize that people expect it of you? This is what Bart simpson told his mom that he does. he doesn't mean it at all but it gets him off the hook. Then he jumps right back in , doing whatever it was that got him in trouble in the first place.

thankfully hitler bundy are gone/ and oj, being not guilty doesn't have to say anything to anyone.

the hardest part is figuring out the sincerity of the nutjob involved. I would NOT forgive anyone who ran over and killed anyone in my familty.

fool me once,,,your fault.
fool me twice........

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
he was found not guilty. never said innocent.

My comment about O.J. was a complete joke. I have absolutely no use for him whatsoever.

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
ALBOB, what if you just SAY that you understand that what you did is wrong, but you really don't understand at all

Whenever I see interviews of convicted killers or rapists or arsons or whatever, and they keep bawling about being a changed person I have to change the channel for the exact reason you just stated. I think they're playing to the crowd, looking for forgiveness. I think they'd say anything and everything they NEEDED to say just to get that forgiveness. They may be telling the God's honest truth but I can't bring myself to believe them or forgive them. Besides, whether they've changed or not doesn't change the fact that they DID IT. They commited the crime and now they have to pay the price.

A sign of someone who treats themselves as #1 and everyone else as #3 (lower than their dog), is someone who says to get over it after murdering someone.

Originally posted by ALBOB
Whenever I see interviews of convicted killers or rapists or arsons or whatever, and they keep bawling about being a changed person I have to change the channel for the exact reason you just stated. I think they're playing to the crowd, looking for forgiveness. I think they'd say anything and everything they NEEDED to say just to get that forgiveness. They may be telling the God's honest truth but I can't bring myself to believe them or forgive them. Besides, whether they've changed or not doesn't change the fact that they DID IT. They commited the crime and now they have to pay the price.

very good point Albob. sometimes i'll catch myself watching that sort of thing and almost feel like i'm agonozing over whether to believe them or not....then i realize - it doesn't matter.

in the case of convicted criminals i think it's a great time to go with the "actions speak louder than words" theory.

speaking of which - the movie Redemption on FX is damn good.

Originally posted by supertech
These three poeple did things that did not affect me in anyway.

I think you are wrong. It affects you weather you know it or not.

Originally posted by dg806
I think you are wrong. It affects you weather you know it or not.

The Butterfly Theory.

(No, not our little Butterfly from Texas. )

Originally posted by Mudge
A sign of someone who treats themselves as #1 and everyone else as #3 (lower than their dog), is someone who says to get over it after murdering someone.

oh yeah, i LOVE to hear from these sorts of people who tell me to "forget about what i did " or " get over it " as if what they did was just flicking some dog shit off their shoe. Which is how they treat everyone else in the world- just as something to step over in order to get what they want.

Or, " Hey, it happened , can you forgive me? "

When i see this on television, buddy suddenly becoming a born again christian or he/she appears in court clutching the bible, man, it makes me want to wretch!

I wonder if anyone is taking notes? as in,. ok. apologize, go get bible, appear contrite, tell people to get over it. move on.

there must be some sort of course in this as just about every nutjob psychopath does this.

We're gooing throught this in Vegas right now. There was a young boy, 9, that was riding his bike across a cross-walk. About four cars had stopped to let him get across but this one young lady was is such a big hurry she just swerved around the other cars, went onto the shoulder and hit the boy. Obviously she didn't see him but the fact still remains, she made an illegal pass on the right hand shoulder and hit a boy in a cross walk. Now she's trying to blame the little boy because he was RIDING his bike in the cross-walk instead of walking it across the street.

Originally posted by ALBOB
We're gooing throught this in Vegas right now. There was a young boy, 9, that was riding his bike across a cross-walk. About four cars had stopped to let him get across but this one young lady was is such a big hurry she just swerved around the other cars, went onto the shoulder and hit the boy. Obviously she didn't see him but the fact still remains, she made an illegal pass on the right hand shoulder and hit a boy in a cross walk. Now she's trying to blame the little boy because he was RIDING his bike in the cross-walk instead of walking it across the street.

It amazes me when people will not just take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault. If someone went to jail for murder and actually did feel remorse, they should feel that they should stay there for what they did.

i agrree: these same narcissistic psychos always want to come back to the scene of the crime and taunt and torment those people who were put upon. It's like they enjoy re-living their moment of crime and enjoy knowing that they are, once again, in control.
it never occurs to these people to stay where they are. someone else caused this to happen to them.

But, there are always those people who side with the criminals. And take up for them whenever they get a chance. Every evil person in recorded history had a stooge.

I think in the case of criminals, our ability to forgive is most often impacted by whether we can still personally consider them to have any humanity left in them. People will always be humans, thats simply the form they are in... and if you were to cut off Hitlers head and tear his body apart, that would still be a human body. On the other hand, humanity is not something that is so firmly situated. I believe that this CAN be lost. My case for example would be the crimes that Hitler, or the Oklahoma bombers, etc committed. The crossed over the line and committed acts that you cannot commit and still retain your humanity. Once humanity is lost, then why forgive someone? Thats why most often people see no reason to forgive these characters.. it wouldnt be any different than forgiving any other animal. They are still humans in form, but humanity goes much deeper than that... its what binds us together and gives us a tie. Not that we look alike, but that we feel alike.

So these people that have committed these acts... am I angry at them? No, not really, perhaps I should be. In my mind they are alot like a wild animal thats gone crazy and killed people, but much worse, because they have betrayed the bonds that tie us together and done the unthinkable of killing those that are part of their society.

Anyways, I'm not sure if thats too cohesive a thought, I just started writing and ended up with that. So no, I wouldnt forgive those guys. I wouldnt hate them, but I'd be happy to slit their throats much like putting a rabid dog out of its misery.

Oh, but on a side note... if it became more personal and immediete members of my family (or even my nation potentially) were killed I do have the capacity to hate them

Originally posted by Eggs
So these people that have committed these acts... am I angry at them? No, not really, perhaps I should be. In my mind they are alot like a wild animal thats gone crazy and killed people, but much worse, because they have betrayed the bonds that tie us together and done the unthinkable of killing those that are part of their society.

Seems to me that very reason would make you even MORE angry at them. A wild animal kills either for food or because it's territory has been invaded. These "animals" kill for socio-political reasons and should NOT be forgiven.

Yeah, I meant to imply that Albob, but fell short... that they were worse than wild animals. I can and do get angry, but I dont stay angry at someone after they are dead for the most part... life is too short to keep all that pent up emotion in.

But yeah, them having betrayed the trust of humanity does make them worse off.

Originally posted by Eggs I dont stay angry at someone after they are dead

I completely agree with THAT point. I just wish we could speed up the process a bit.

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
he was found not guilty. never said innocent. every one of the nuts on the jury ( except for Anne ) said that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

NEWSFLASH....
Innocent = guiltless as defined in the
Random House College Dictionary...
just because someone disagrees with your opinions
DOES NOT make them a nut

As Albob said, I have absolutely no use for him personally

The Blessing with the OJ case is that states
throughout the nation have made sweeping changes
involving domestic violence

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
It amazes me when people will not just take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault. If someone went to jail for murder and actually did feel remorse, they should feel that they should stay there for what they did.

Originally posted by DFINEST
NEWSFLASH....
Innocent = guiltless as defined in the
Random House College Dictionary...

However in the context of the criminal justice system there is a very definite difference between legal guilt and factual guilt. (not guilty doesn't necessarily equate to innocent - it can mean not convictable)