Thread: McDonald's CEO dies of heart attack

wow, does that mean that McDonalds burgers and fries are loaded in saturated fat, and that saturated fat clogs your arteries, which causes heart attacks?

no big deal, as long as they get those real dangerous supplements off the market, i.e. andro and ephedra.

I don't know what it means, I guess his family will take over. As for the ephedrine I've had permanent damage to my throid gland from those stimulants & fatburners. I developed hyper thyroid from them in 2000 & went from about 227lbs with descent definition to a weak & sick 200lbs in 4 weeks. It's been 4yrs & they are just now getting my thyroid under control. I've known other ppl that this happened to from these supplements. As for andro & other related products, I know several ppl who took
1-AD & the modified version & they many times had trouble getting it up. One guy this happened to, it almost cost his girlfriend, & another guy who took it not only had trouble getting it up, but his neck got really swollen & had to go to the hospital. That's why I don't trust these things.

yeah, and thousands of people die each year from using aspirin and tylenol.

Originally posted by Johnnny
I don't know what it means, I guess his family will take over. As for the ephedrine I've had permanent damage to my throid gland from those stimulants & fatburners. I developed hyper thyroid from them in 2000 & went from about 227lbs with descent definition to a weak & sick 200lbs in 4 weeks. It's been 4yrs & they are just now getting my thyroid under control. I've known other ppl that this happened to from these supplements. As for andro & other related products, I know several ppl who took
1-AD & the modified version & they many times had trouble getting it up. One guy this happened to, it almost cost his girlfriend, & another guy who took it not only had trouble getting it up, but his neck got really swollen & had to go to the hospital. That's why I don't trust these things.

Just curious but did you happen to get an ok from your doc before using the ephedra?

You more than likely had a pre-existing condition. Also, haven't ephedra and andros been banned in Canada for some time?

I would say that it is highly unusual that you know so many people with side effects from these things while the rate of side effects is very small.

well, as far as deaths from ephedra it's estimated that 12 million people used ephedra based products over a ten year period and around 100 deaths are linked to it's use.

that makes it a pretty safe supplement, even by the FDA's standards, it's passes with flying colors.

I always wonder how Asians have used this stuff for centuries without any issues and now ephedra is what seems to cause everyone's problems.

What do you mean? I never got a perscription for it, I bought it at a supplement store over the counter. I took all this garbage before my thyroid problems developed because of ephedrine.

As for ppl dying of aspirin & tylenol nice sarcasm. But I'm just speaking from personal experience & experience from others who've taken these products. These products are banned by the FDA for a reason. Because they have been proven to be dangerous for our health. There have been many cases of ppl having heart attacks & all that they were on that was found by the medical staff was ephedra or ephedrine. I personally wouldn't take this stuff as I've first hand experienced health effects that have taken 4yrs to get under control & put a huge dent in my physique & training.

Originally posted by Johnnny
As for ppl dying of aspirin & tylenol nice sarcasm.

you don't believe me?

do some research.

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I always wonder how Asians have used this stuff for centuries without any issues and now ephedra is what seems to cause everyone's problems.

In general Asians are intelligent, Americans are stupid.

American mentality: Bigger, better, faster, more, instant gratification...

Originally posted by Johnnny
What do you mean? I never got a perscription for it, I bought it at a supplement store over the counter. I took all this garbage before my thyroid problems developed because of ephedrine.

As for ppl dying of aspirin & tylenol nice sarcasm. But I'm just speaking from personal experience & experience from others who've taken these products. These products are banned by the FDA for a reason. Because they have been proven to be dangerous for our health. There have been many cases of ppl having heart attacks & all that they were on that was found by the medical staff was ephedra or ephedrine. I personally wouldn't take this stuff as I've first hand experienced health effects that have taken 4yrs to get under control & put a huge dent in my physique & training.

You are reading too much into the propaganda, man. First off, Prince was not joking about the aspirin, it damages the liver just like many medications do. If you look up the stats, far more people die from taking aspirin than die from ephedra, on the order of like 10 times more. Assuming Prince's stats are right, and I bet they are, you are looking at like a .0008% death rate which is incredibly unlikely. These things are not PROVEN to be dangerous to your health otherwise many others would have problems.

My point was that you may have had a pre-existing condition that was exacerbated by the ephedra. You may have never known about it until after you took the ephedra. This was why butterfly asked if you went to a doctor before taking the stuff. My guess is that you didn't which is why what happened happened. Also, what else did the thermo you took have in it?

That's what I thought. If you never had a doc check you out before taking ephedrine then how do you know you didn't have an undiagnosed pre-existing condition???

My husband and I both got checked out by our doc and even went to a heart specialist to make sure we hadn't done any damage -- which we haven't -- and that it was safe for us to take ephedrine, etc.

Originally posted by Prince
In general Asians are intelligent, Americans are stupid.

American mentality: Bigger, better, faster, more, instant gratification...

Seems about right to me.

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Assuming Prince's stats are right, and I bet they are, you are looking at like a .0008% death rate which is incredibly unlikely.

Those are the stats that MD reported in an article last month, but obviously it's not 100% accurate data, that would be impossible to know.

actually they said between 12-15 million are estimated to have used ephedra based products over the last 10 years, and 100-150 possible links to deaths resulting in it's use. But the majority were from users that had pre-existing heart conditions and had no business using ephedra.

oh where is mma when stories like this show up?

butterfly I never had thyroid problems before those 2yrs I took all that ephedrine & fatburners. Plus my doctor performed annual blood work including the TSH test which checks your thyroid. I never had problems until I started with that garbage. I

As for the aspirin I knew that it could damage your liver. But I thought he was being sarcastic. Not all the ppl who had heart attacks had pre-existing heart conditions. Many of them were completely healthy. So again believe what you will, I'm not going to tell you what to do, it's your body.

One reason that ppl have died from aspirin more is because it is used much more than ephedrine. & both andro & ephedrine/ephedra are banned by the FDA for the reason that they are bad for your health. I'll be staying healthy.

Originally posted by Johnnny
Not all the ppl who had heart attacks had pre-existing heart conditions. Many of them were completely healthy.

then they either abused it, or there were other factors involved.

Originally posted by Johnnny both andro & ephedrine/ephedra are banned by the FDA for the reason that they are bad for your health.

This is a bit of a leap of faith, don't you think? Trusting the FDA to do something just because it's the right thing to do? No, there are drugs that are perfectly legal, that have caused WAY more deaths/health problems than Ephedra/Ephedrine. And when I say "caused more deaths" I'm talking on a percentage basis. The FDA banned Ephedra/Ephedrine for political reasons. (NO Prince, I don't think George Bush had anything to do with it. )

I assum you are an ephedrine user which is why you are so for it. But I'm telling you it had permanent damage to my thyroid gland & I never had problems before I took the ephedrine & those thermogenic ephedrine fat burners in recommended dosages. If you've used it many times, you should get your thyroid levels checked. I still believe they are banned by the FDA because they are dangerous even for completely healthy ppl.

I made a typo. should've been assume not "assum".

Originally posted by Johnnny
butterfly I never had thyroid problems before those 2yrs I took all that ephedrine & fatburners.

What EXACTLY were you taking and in what amounts?

The TSH is an ineffective test, there are far superior tests out these days. There are many problems that you could have had that would not be picked up by the TSH test, a thyroid panel would have found these things.

As for the aspirin, you are right, more people die because more people use it. I just did the math on the ephedrine incidence rate and it is 1 in 80,000 people who use it die. If you factor out the people with KNOWN pre-existing heart conditions, it would be even more improbable. For aspirin to have the same rate or better, 60 million people or more would have to use it PER YEAR, which I don't think is the case.

On a side note, if these fat burners you took had gugglusterones in them, that may have caused the problem, especially if you had a pre-existing condition. The bitch about the thyroid is that most people have no idea they have issues until it is much too late.

Originally posted by ALBOB
(NO Prince, I don't think George Bush had anything to do with it. )

You know it was all his idea, right?

Originally posted by Johnnny
I assum you are an ephedrine user which is why you are so for it.

now hang on, ephedrine is not banned, only ephedra...

think about that one for awhile.

Dale Mabry I know I've had thyroid scans where they line up a scanner right on your throat. They proved I had no problems before before the ephedrine/ephedra/fat burners with these herbal compounds. I was taking products with no gugglusterones & I never had prior thyroid problems.

I've also heard there is talk about banning ephedrine as well as it is very similar to ephedra.

Again do what you will with your bodies. It's not my decision.

Originally posted by Johnnny
I've also heard there is talk about banning ephedrine as well as it is very similar to ephedra.

seeing that it's used in OTC drugs that would create quite a stir with some of the big drug companies, and as we know it's all about politics and money, not our health.

Anyway I've said what I had to say. Do what you will with your bodies, take what you want. But in 10 or 20yrs problems may occur. Different things effect ppl in different ways. The problem is you don't know how a particular drug or supplement will effect you individually. That's the big problem with steroids & other drugs we don't know how they will effect you individually. That's why there is a huge risk for each of us.

Yeah, but you could say that about a lot of things.

Do you only eat natural, pure organic food products? If not, you better start cause you're putting all kinds of crap and chemicals into your body everyday.