Thread: They're instituting the DRAFT!

dammit you beat me to the punch, I was just lidtening to Tom Leykis talking about this and I was gonna post it! great minds think a like! ha ha. Seriously though, it won't happen. Congress IS proposing it though, its no joke. Republicans and Democrats are talkin about it man, bills have been proposed that men and women ages 18-26 would be drafted. I for one will NOT go fight in this war, not for a second will I entertain the thought even. You can call me whatever stupid names you like too, it ain't b/c of fear ar anything like that. Its the simple fact that this country does not support my right to have certain freedoms stay free, and now they want to put me into a situation where I am gonna get killed, for what? Fucc that. soon as these assholes give me and the millions and millions like me the respect we deserve and start hearing our voice, I will never support them in a cause I do not believe in. Fuccin hipocrits, slavery was abolished in 1865, and yet isn't this another form of slavery, being forced away from your home, your life to go fight and die for something which you have nothing to do with? nonsense. I will tell Bush my self to go eat a dick, and when they come for me, I will be waiting, strapped and ready when they come for me. Give me freedom or give me death, I will take death personally. thats my 2 cents

Originally posted by gr81
great minds think a like! ha ha.

Fuccin hipocrits, slavery was abolished in 1865, and yet isn't this another form of slavery, being forced away from your home, your life to go fight and die for something which you have nothing to do with? nonsense.

I will tell Bush my self to go eat a dick, and when they come for me, I will be waiting, strapped and ready when they come for me.

I agree with ALMOST everything you say bro.
1st, great minds DO think alike

to your 2nd part though, i always think to myself there are thousands upon thousands of kids my age "forced" away from home (even though they most likely voluntarily joined) to go fight and die for something they have very little to do with.
You know why we are able to enjoy the freedom we do today? cuz of these people.

Where i'm coming from is that People we will never meet are enforcing politicians agendas, risking thier lives so that i may go to college, focus on BB and party my ass off? These people most likely don't wanna kill people they have nothing against, and in turn risk their own lives, but they DO, so that us Americans can live the lives we do. That's why i hate politicians, but also why i'd be the 1st to join if they're were a draft. Just my 2 cents.

And to your 3rd part, Bush can eat your dick after mine

That's why I got my service out of the way.

If they do, hurry up and join the Air Force, they don't do anything anyways. Right Albob?

Otherwise stay out of convoy's and helicopters since it seems that's where most of our casualties are coming from.

Every able bodied 18-26 YO should serve. Shipped of off to Iraq and forced to drink water down stream from where they just washed the sh*t from there skivvies. Then maybe you would appreciated your freedom , luxuries and rights our country provides.

go to work on a submarine, I've been on one for three yrs and haven't been shot at once. They don't even have a navy. Miss the sun though.

Originally posted by splatman
Every able bodied 18-26 YO should serve. Shipped of off to Iraq and forced to drink water down stream from where they just washed the sh*t from there skivvies. Then maybe you would appreciated your freedom , luxuries and rights our country provides.

Fuck this. And making a statement like this is so bullshit. Where is my right to use ephedrine? Where is my right to use androgens(its here now, but within the next year will be gone.)? I appreciate the freedom that I have, but in MANY other countries, I can have almost the EXACT freedoms that I have here.
If someone wants to INVADE MY country, then I will be the first to answer the door with a BANG! But send me off for a hopeless cause, I dont fucking think so... You may say that terrosts did invase my country, well most of the 9-11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia. Why dont we go knocking on their door? Because they are lining Bush's pockets with gold, thats why.

Sometimes I wonder why any one serves for a nation of such ungrateful shits.

"lining Bush's pockets with gold, that's why".

Premier, this is among the most ignorant statements I have ever heard.

You got proof of this, or is it just an opinion?

Actually I did see proof of this. And I am not an ungrateful shit tyvm...

It was on CNN or MSNBC or some news channel.. But they basically went over how bush totally ignored Saudia Arabia because of how much money the Saudis have invested in business here. Its not really lining bushs pockets per-say, but its all about money. They just have enough of it in the US big business to get away with it.

You guys settle down. There will likely never be a draft again unless we have a direct invasion threat. Know why? Simple – because the concept of equality of the sexes in this country is a big façade and only a policy of political convenience. If they reinstated the draft, the current political reality is they would legally also have to draft woman too or face a complete political reversal of a lot of existing policy and big lawsuits by disgruntled men. Yeah – “you have come a long way baby”. The vocal minority in their zeal to re-invent society have virtually guaranteed that woman will have to also serve in such an event. The truth of the matter is that the grass roots majority of Americans who have been complacent about this social consequence would go absolutely nuts if the government started dragging their daughters out of their homes against their wills to go to war in Iraq. This country is not socially ready to accept this and the visions of their daughters getting brutalized in a foreign war would cause major civil disobedience. It will never happen guys – trust me.

Here we go again…

-OD

Premier is absolutely correct, our freedoms are being taken away one by one. Bush doesn't have the time to focus on everyday problems we have going on here in our own country, millions of crys go unanswered each day, and yet we are over in Iraq b/c of what we could gain in the long run. This country doesn't support me and time and time again that is apparent, so I should go fight for a cause that I am against? I have integrity and I will not sacrafice that b/c morons like you call it unpatriotic. Our government are the ones that are unpatriotic b/c we are going against everything that our country was supposed to be founded on freedom of choice. when we have gov agancies deciding what we should and shouldn't do, being the deciding factor in our morals and ethics by way of controlling the laws, while at the same time breaking them, I DO NOT support that. I don't have two or more years to waste in Iraq, I have other things in life that are more important to me, fucc that. Don't get it twisted either bro, I am down to die for EVERYTHING I represent and I meant everyword in my letter to the president!

By the way, I agree with OD (believe it or not!) that it ain't gonna happen.

Jesus christ, if you dont like here so much try changing something, if you cant do that pack your bags and get the hell out. You seem to think it is so much better somewhere else, why the hell are you still here?!
I agree they are taking away stuff they shouldnt, I have had to deal with that for a while, some reason they thing guns are dangerous, they are no more dangerous than PH and PS. I have done something about it my right to have a firearm (or 50). Any of you write or call anyone or are you to busy bitching?

Actually, I did write/send in petitions. I set up booths at the supplement shops, pro shops, and gyms here. The petitions were made up by Rick Collins and the USFA. Every week I would pick the sighned ones up and mail them in. I mailed in well over 1000 of them. Didnt do a thing. The small mans voice doesnt even matter. It takes HUGE ammounts of money to get heard now a days.
BTW, I plan to move to Europe when I am older.

I have written letters, I have signed petitions, I have doen all that shit. You think for one single solitary second that that shit means anything? We let our voices be heard on the presidency and yet still Bush is here? it doesn't matter what I think and there is no one to represent me and my beliefs. This is not a democracy, so what the fucc am I do do but engage in debate in the hopes of challenging things through verbal communication! what else are my options, besides going crazy and killing as many motha fuckas as I can that are behind these injustices?

Actually I did see proof of this. And I am not an ungrateful shit tyvm...

It was on CNN or MSNBC or some news channel.

LOL,

Yeah, if it was on CNN or MSNBC it must be true.

The draft would not affect me, but if it did I would not fight Bush's rediculous war in Iraq, fuck him.

I would gladly fight to protect this country and it's freedom, but the war in Iraq is bullshit and I would not go.

Originally posted by Stickboy
LOL,

Yeah, if it was on CNN or MSNBC it must be true.

Ok oh "Brilliant one" tell me. Why is it that MOST of the 9-11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, yet we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq? The war on terror(if thats what it is) should also go into Saudia Arabia. Why hasent it though?

Originally posted by splatman
Then maybe you would appreciated your freedom , luxuries and rights our country provides.

Unfortanetly for the war addicted wacko's in the white house, who start shit all over the world, Iraq was never a threat to the United States. Even with "Weapons of mass destruction" Are you honestly going to tell me that Saddam Hussein would've tried to attack the United States, and keep a straight face while you do it? He would be completely and totally obliterated in a matter of hours. Militarily it's like Brian Urlacher versus a ten year old second string pee-wee running back. Ocean dude it most likely right about the draft, and most other things he says for that matter. I agree with almost all of what gr81 is saying. I'm by no means a liberal or an anti war person, it's just all our "wars" in recent years have been sticking our noses in the business of people that would better off be left alone. We haven't had a justified war in God knows how many years. No disrespect to veterans, I feel most sorry for them, fighting where they shouldn't be for no reason. We should never have been near Vietnam, FDR had Pearl Harbor like a sitting duck in the pacific ocean and then cut off Japan's oil supply, all but forcing them to attack us and get us into WWII. I won't comment on WWI or the Spanish-American war, or the war of 1812, because I don't have much knowledge of them. I will say that the Civil war was never started over slavery, it was over states' right to succeed from the union, which the Southern states should've bene able to do. Lincoln through men in jail for years, with no trial, suspending the writ of Habeus corpus(spelling?) unconstitutionally. The Revolutionary war was justified and fought for a good cause. I would've fought in the American Revolution. As far as the middle east, forget it. They were going to call it "Operation Iraqi Liberation" but the acronym would've been to obvious.....

To be honest, I have no idea, other than they have been a long time diplomatic partner. To be fair to Bush, ...Clinton treated them with kid gloves as well.

Of course, this is just changing the subject. You said you had proof that Bush was lining his pockets, now you are backing off on it.

Don't back off. You said you had proof and get defensive when I call you on your CNN and MSNBC sources.

Valid proof please. Present it, if you can. You made a reckless statement, claimed you can back it up. Show the proof that Bush's pockets are being lined.

It' simple: Put up, or shut up.

Originally posted by Stickboy
To be honest, I have no idea, other than they have been a long time diplomatic partner. To be fair to Bush, ...Clinton treated them with kid gloves as well.

Of course, this is just changing the subject. You said you had proof that Bush was lining his pockets, now you are backing off on it.

Don't back off. You said you had proof and get defensive when I call you on your CNN and MSNBC sources.

Valid proof please. Present it, if you can. You made a reckless statement, claimed you can back it up. Show the proof that Bush's pockets are being lined.

It' simple: Put up, or shut up.

Show us some "weapons of mass destruction." Bush caused a reckless war, let's see if he can back it up. O and as far as Bush's pocket's being lined, the company that Vice president Cheney was with for so many years, the name slips my mind, is making a shitload of money rebuilding Iraq. I wonder if Dick still has any shares of stock there?

Originally posted by RCfootball87
....the company that Vice president Cheney was with for so many years, the name slips my mind, is making a shitload of money rebuilding Iraq. I wonder if Dick still has any shares of stock there?

Halliburton

Originally posted by Stickboy
LOL,

Yeah, if it was on CNN or MSNBC it must be true.

Trash CNN all you want but I clearly remember
during Desert Storm that Dick Cheney stated he seen most of the early stages of that war on CNN from the three journalist
(Arnett, Shaw, etc) that were in an Baghdad hotel room.

I suppose that Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly present the full
truth as well.....NOT!

Originally posted by Stickboy
Valid proof please. Present it, if you can. You made a reckless statement, claimed you can back it up. Show the proof that Bush's pockets are being lined.

It' simple: Put up, or shut up.

Why don't you require this of President Bush as far as his reasoning for invading Iraq
that his administration is attempting to back track from....

I didn't care for Saddam either but it appears that the only
reason for the invasion is because of saddam's attempted
assassination of G.H.W. Bush

Originally posted by DFINEST
Halliburton

Vice president Cheney should have to forfeit all of the monies he recieves from that and give it to charity...that is totaly unacceptable

Originally posted by PreMier
Fuck this. And making a statement like this is so bullshit. Where is my right to use ephedrine?

That's almost being a bit shallow if you are comparing those to "rights" and "freedoms". We're spoiled as hell here man. Keep that in perspective.

Personally, I don't believe everything I hear or read.

I tend to believe that President Bush DID believe there were WMD's in Iraq. Obviously, so did the rest of the world, since they passed UN sanctions against Iraq.

I'm thinking that if they had any, they were moved outside of Iraq.
But that doesn't mean we won't find a cache of them sometime in the future.

Obviously, the rest of the world didn't believe
that an invasion of Iraq was necessary as they were
NOT sending troops over there.

The same intell that confirmed that the weapons were there,
WHY couldn't that intell confirm that the weapons were moved outside of Iraq?

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
That's almost being a bit shallow if you are comparing those to "rights" and "freedoms". We're spoiled as hell here man. Keep that in perspective.

Agreed, with the exception of the possible future censorship.


I would guarantee Pres bush thought there were WMD in Iraq, but what is wrong with letting the inspectors finish the job? I just think we jumped the gun. Regardless, I don't think there would have been support for the war from the UN anyway so it is irrelevant.