Thread: Student bashes Tillman

Here we go again folks......

Look down folks. There be bullshit here. Watch where ye step.


EDIT: This is directed a Snafu's post.

BOOK AND MOVIE DEALS ROLLING IN:

Silence is a rare treat these days for Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman, the agents who represent former NFL star Pat Tillman.


That's because their office phone hasn't stopped ringing since news of Tillman's death broke April 23 and circulated around the country.


"There's just so many people that want to do something or have some proposal," said Chapman, who handles marketing deals for the firm's players. "You can kind of tell who the good ones are. They're willing to give any proceeds of what they might do to charity and understand that all this is bigger than them."


In the minority were those just offering to lend their support, financial or otherwise.


Oprah Winfrey called, requesting an interview with the family, but also offered to make a donation. So too did the Maloof family, which owns the Sacramento Kings, Chapman said.


In 2002, inspired by the Sept. 11 attacks, Tillman walked away from a three-year, $3.6 million contract with the Cardinals to become an Army Ranger. He was killed in a firefight the night of April 22 in Afghanistan.


Chapman said that they've been pitched at least 30 proposals, mostly for book and movie deals.


One publisher offered to do a book deal with Tillman before he left the country, but Tillman -- who, after making his decision, declined interview requests -- predictably said no.


"We showed it to him and he said he didn't want to do it," Chapman said. "The most ridiculous thing was that he said he felt bad for us because he knew we could probably make some money from doing a deal."


The decision whether to entertain any book or movie offers will be up to the family, which announced the creation of the Pat Tillman Foundation on Friday. Chapman is currently putting together a folder that he plans to present them when things slow down. A public funeral is planned Monday at the San Jose Municipal Rose Garden.


Although life stories are often relegated to TV "Movie of the Week" treatment, one prominent agent who deals with Hollywood life movie rights has approached writers to suggest writing the Tillman script, believing the story could be appealing enough to be turned into a feature film.


The agent, who requested anonymity, said she expected that many TV networks would want the film and that the rights could bring in significant money because a lot of high-end talent might be attracted to participate in a film. A network could have a Tillman movie out by November, she said, while the soonest a feature film could be in theaters would likely be late 2005.


Time may be of the essence if the family is interested in maximizing profits from a book deal.


"As heroic as his story is, it's not a complex publishing drama that could sustain a book-length investigation like the new Bob Woodward book ["Plan of Attack"]," said Jeremy Katz, executive editor of men's health and sports books, who said he would not be interested in bidding for the rights should they become available. Katz said in order for a Tillman book to get "buzz," he believes it will have to be out before year's end.


However, one literary agent, who requested anonymity, said she thought the rights to the Tillman book could be worth as much as what publisher Alfred A. Knopf paid for "I Am a Soldier, Too: The Jessica Lynch Story." Lynch and writer Rick Bragg reportedly shared a $1 million advance.


Tillman memorabilia continues to flood online auction site eBay. As of 3 p.m. Friday, almost 600 items with Tillman's name in the description were on the auction block. The highest priced item was an American flag allegedly signed by Tillman. Twenty-eight bids had driven the price to $1,795.


Many of the auctions include Tillman's rookie card, which was produced by Upper Deck and Fleer in 2001, after his third season in the league and 48 games into his career. Tillman finally got a card in the sets after he made a request to the NFL Players Association, Chapman said.


Fans looking to buy an Arizona Cardinals jersey with the name "TILLMAN" and the No. 40 on the back might have a tougher time doing so.


That's because, as of Wednesday, an official with one company that allows personalization -- Eastbay -- said the company was informed that the combination of that particular name and number was not allowed. Eastbay is owned by Foot Locker, which runs the NFL's official Web site store, NFLShop.com.


An NFL spokesman said he did not know whether league officials ordered the halting of personalized Tillman jerseys or if the jerseys ordered earlier in the week that passed through the process would even be fulfilled.


Because Tillman was not an active player and was not part of the NFL Players Association, fans should not have been able to purchase a Cardinals jersey with his name and number. Fans can personalize jerseys with their names on the back with no problem, but they are frequently stopped from placing an order if they try to match the names of former players with their numbers. That combination is not authorized because those players have not signed their names to licensing agreements that would pay them royalties.


It is possible that Tillman's family will get the standard royalty from those jersey sales if they so desire. Future production of licensed Tillman jerseys most likely will be determined by the family, as well.

Originally posted by Burner02

....and Jessica Lynch was a car accident? What a nutjob....if I ever need to have a good ol''WTF head shake...I just need to read a SNAFU posting..

Jessica Lynch was never shot. Never involved in combat.

She was in a CAR ACCIDENT.

After she was taken prisoner she was abused.

How can you not have know this by now?

Lynch has talked about what really happened a couple of times, but you aren't aware of it?

Wake up.

Originally posted by Stickboy
Here we go again folks......

Look down folks. There be bullshit here. Watch where ye step.


EDIT: This is directed a Snafu's post.

Jessica Lynch was in a car accident.

What newspapers do you read stickboy?

I read between 3-6 every day.

You do not sound very well-read or educated.

You, sir, are trivializing what she was involved in. Most car accidents do not involve people shooting machine guns in your direction from the side of the road with the intent to kill you.

For you to think I am not well-read or educated is a compliment coming from the likes of you. Thank you.

You appear to be someone who believes everything they read. Half the time what you call "facts" are a journalistic fantasy, or simply a story published by someone that didn't have all the facts and made a "guesstimate". Then you go spouting off with an axe to grind with these half-assed facts.

For example, having lived in Washington DC does not make you an expert on matters of the government. That's like saying I am a nuclear scientist because I live a mile away from a reactor. It isn't factual, or logical. Yet you used this as logic in an earlier post.

I notice when someone calls you on something, you simply stop talking about it. Why? Because every fiber of your being knows that you cannot win based on the facts or logic.

They just gave him the Silver Star!


-OD



(CNN) -- A Silver Star has been awarded posthumously to Cpl. Pat Tillman, the former football player who died last week after returning to an ambush to save the remainder of his platoon, Army Special Operations Command said Friday.

Tillman was killed while performing his duty "without regard to his personal safety," the Army said in a statement.

Tillman left behind his NFL career as a safety with the Arizona Cardinals to join the Army after the attacks of September 11, 2001.

He served as an Army Ranger in Afghanistan.

He was shot and killed April 22 during a ground convoy assault not far from Khowst, Afghanistan, near the eastern border with Pakistan.

Al Qaeda remnants are thought to be holed up along the border region.

The Army gave the following account of Tillman's actions:

"Tillman's platoon was split into two sections. Tillman was the team leader of the lead section when the trail section began receiving suppressive mortar and small-arms fire. ... [The] cavernous terrain made it extremely difficult to target enemy positions, and there was no room for the trail element to maneuver out of the kill zone.

Even though his element was out of the area that had come under fire, Tillman "ordered his team to dismount and maneuvered his team up a hill toward the enemy's location," the Army said.

During the battle, he issued "fire commands to take the fight to the enemy on the dominating high ground," the statement continued.

"Only after his team engaged the well-armed enemy did it appear their fires diminished."

Because of Tillman's leadership and his team's efforts, the trail section under fire "was able to maneuver through the ambush to positions of safety without a single casualty," the Army said.

Tillman was a member of A Company, 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment based at Fort Lewis, Washington.

He was promoted posthumously from specialist to corporal, an Army spokeswoman told The Associated Press on Thursday.

"The Army always notes that rank and promotion are not a reward of what was done well, but a recognition that you have the potential to do more," Army spokeswoman Martha Rudd told the AP. "This promotion is essentially saying he would have been a fine leader."

Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
Jessica Lynch was never shot. Never involved in combat.

She was in a CAR ACCIDENT.

Never in combat? A car accident? OK, if you call having your car run into a hail of bullets during an ambush, I guess you could trivialize her "accident". You are a fucking idiot that loves to waste oxygen. How about doing the world a favor and stop all your useless, wastefull breathing.

P.S. 3-6 newpapers per day? Oooooooo, that realy qualifies you to argue with people that have actually been in Iraq

Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
Jessica Lynch was in a car accident.

What newspapers do you read stickboy?

I read between 3-6 every day.

You do not sound very well-read or educated.