Eggs,
This was the first insightful post this board has witnessed on this topic.
We all thank you.
This is of course your personal preferance in viewing the matter. I'm sure you didnt so much like Bush before the war, and I wouldnt have much doubt that your pre-tainted view has been soured more by your willingness to view the situation as such.Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
This thread is in rememberance of the Americans killed and permanently disabled.
For absolutely nothing.
What do you mean nothing? I think that statement is a bit lacking in logic, being that if the sole goal of hte government was to go over there and grab Saddam then they have accomplished their goal, and indeed have accomplished not only something, but everything they intended to do. There is more to this war than just what goes on in the public, and no, I'm not talking about oil. At time a region needs a stablizing influence to promote the same in the regions around it. At times a country needs to make a shower of force to show what it is still capable of and why not to disregard it. The matter in Iraq combines alot of these different elements. While it is sad and unfortunate that we are loosing lives over there, it is certainly not a matter of "loosing them for nothing".
The only time that their lives will count for nothing is if they are pulled out before they have completed the job they werent sent in for. Then in the failure of our government one could say that. Though its still a bit strong, because alot has been accomplished over there either way.
Eggs,
This was the first insightful post this board has witnessed on this topic.
We all thank you.
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You are a chicken shit. Pray you aren't an american. Reguardless I'll fuck your ass up BITCH!!Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
State and opinion or a fact.
This is the easiest debate I've ever had. I don't have to think of anything to say.
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How is this the easiest debate you've ever had?? You haven't brought shit to the fucking table you f-ing c-sucker. Where the hell are your facts? You're just one of those piece of shits that hate americans.
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^ I don't know what your problem is, but I am a proud American who loves Americans.
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Perhaps you should question yourself on how others see you. Alot of your statements, regardless of your right to say them, do not come across that way to a lot of people here.Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
^ I don't know what your problem is, but I am a proud American who loves Americans.
Is it a matter of perception on the majorities part, or is it a presentation problem on your part?
I consider you to be an arrogant anti-US individual with an axe to grind. Since I only know you through your words that is all I have to base my decision on. Perhaps you really do love the US and it's people. Honestly, your words are not perceived as such.
Yet you make statements about wanting them to get killed just to promote your political beliefs. You have NOTHING to be proud of!Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
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this is my opinion of your opinion:Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
Flex, keep emotions out of it. State an opinion or a fact. Just yelling and cursing is pointless. You don't have the ability to converse over an issue. Incoherent babbling is a waste of time.![]()
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2,800 plus Americans were killed and permanently disabled for nothing on September 11, 2001. Some 1,000 US soldiers have been killed since then defending the US from these radical religious fanatics. Taking the war to them is defending the country.Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
This thread is in rememberance of the Americans killed and permanently disabled.
For absolutely nothing.
The only countries/people who gained oil (and money) from this fight have been the French and Russians and the UN leaders.
paradise huh?Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
I live in paradise. Near the beach with palm trees, beaches, and beautiful women. Good fruit, all-year round. I return to the U.S. when I feel like doing so.
Who's having more fun? Me or you....?
you know why you can live in your "paradise"? because U.S. soldiers are sacrificing their lives so you can have "fun" and sit behind your computer and bash them.
p.s. drop the "SNA" from your name as well, what the "FU" stands for in that little slogan fits you fine.
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Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
This thread is in rememberance of the Americans killed and permanently disabled.
For absolutely nothing.
This was clearly started to stir shit. You're entitled to your opinion, but what makes you a dickhead is the fact that you made this statement (not to mention others) with the obvious intention of firing people up. Your comments have constantly implied a lack of support for US Soldiers, not simply your disenchantment with the current administration. I think its safe to say we're ALL sick of hearing you spew bullshit from your ass.![]()
But when you disarm them, you at once offend them by showing that you distrust them, either for cowardice or for want of loyalty, and either of these opinions breeds hatred against you.
-N. Machiavelli
^what Var said^Originally posted by Var
This was clearly started to stir shit. You're entitled to your opinion, but what makes you a dickhead is the fact that you made this statement (not to mention others) with the obvious intention of firing people up. Your comments have constantly implied a lack of support for US Soldiers, not simply your disenchantment with the current administration. I think its safe to say we're ALL sick of hearing you spew bullshit from your ass.![]()
and i hope you, and all the pricks who agreed with you, watched Pat Tillman's memorial service. too bad you didn't go there and say 1 bad thing about him, or one thing you stated in this thread. everyone there, including most of America, from the oldest granny to the youngest middle-schooler, who knew Tillman's story, would stomp your sorry ass.
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Tillman was in Afganistan. I suppor our efforts in Afhanistan. It is only in Iraq, that I feel our soldiers are fighting for nothing. Iraq is separate from the other operations, including the ones in the Philippines, Yemen, Pakistan, and South East Asia. I don't want to keep this going, but people assume that Iraq is about the War on Terror, and Freedom, and protecting Americans. It is not. Over time, I believe history will provide more of the facts.
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I live in Saigon, Vietnam, and I support the U.S. soldiers who fought against the communists. I see people with no legs, and no arms, and injuries to this day....today.Originally posted by Flex
paradise huh?
you know why you can live in your "paradise"? because U.S. soldiers are sacrificing their lives so you can have "fun" and sit behind your computer and bash them.
1 out of 10 Vietnamese were killed or injured in the conflict between 1954-1975. I have many friends that were Veterans who have returned and they a lot....too much....about the conflict....
My ranting is about Iraq, and only about the present conflict in Iraq. I hope people can atleast attempt to view things from a hypothetically different angle. I am an amateur Vietnam War historian, and it was a mess. Lack of understanding, ignorance, and arrogance by the upper echelons of the Pentagon, and an uninformed public led us down the qaugmire in Vietnam. Iraq is of little comparison, but I see it as a mini-quagmire of the Vietanm. And a quagmire, is a quagmire. People get killed....I hope we look back in 5 years, and say, "Yes, this was worth it."
Will we?
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.
Mark Twain
I hear where you're coming from, but don't say they died for nothing. What you have a problem with is the gov't's choices, not the soldiers who fight under the gov't's command. you didnt make that clear earlier.Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
Tillman was in Afganistan. I suppor our efforts in Afhanistan. It is only in Iraq, that I feel our soldiers are fighting for nothing. Iraq is separate from the other operations, including the ones in the Philippines, Yemen, Pakistan, and South East Asia. I don't want to keep this going, but people assume that Iraq is about the War on Terror, and Freedom, and protecting Americans. It is not. Over time, I believe history will provide more of the facts.
Tillman jumped right back into combat after he learned his platoon got ambushed, and sacrificed his life for his fellow soldiers. That is NOT dying for nothing.
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Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
I live in Saigon, Vietnam, and I support the U.S. soldiers who fought against the communists. I see people with no legs, and no arms, and injuries to this day....today.
1 out of 10 Vietnamese were killed or injured in the conflict between 1954-1975. I have many friends that were Veterans who have returned and they a lot....too much....about the conflict....
My ranting is about Iraq, and only about the present conflict in Iraq. I hope people can atleast attempt to view things from a hypothetically different angle. I am an amateur Vietnam War historian, and it was a mess. Lack of understanding, ignorance, and arrogance by the upper echelons of the Pentagon, and an uninformed public led us down the qaugmire in Vietnam. Iraq is of little comparison, but I see it as a mini-quagmire of the Vietanm. And a quagmire, is a quagmire. People get killed....I hope we look back in 5 years, and say, "Yes, this was worth it."
Will we?
Finally you posted something legit.Not saying I agree with you but I give you a little credit for finally posting your view. If you didn't start this thread with the opening you did I think you wouldn't have pissed off as many people as you have!! I'm former Army and I have friends who have been killed in battle and are over there serving right now. If I get called back into active duty I'd go back in a heartbeat. I love my country and if someone starts ragging on my beloved USA then hell yeah I'm going to come out swinging!! Thanks for posting your view finally.
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I tell ya' what, how about if we wipe the slate clean and look at this from a fresh perspective? There was an evil tyrant ruling Iraq and causing instability in the entire region. We, as the unofficial world police, decided he needed to be removed. Was that a correct decision? At this point in time I believe it was. Is Iraq/the world a better place now that he's out of power? Again, at this point in time I believe they are. Now, the big question, did we get into this war for the reasons I just mentioned? Well, yes and no. Yes, we went into this to get rid of an evil dictator. No, it was sold to us/the world as though we were getting rid of an evil dictator so we could stop him from using his WMD's. WMD's? WHAT WMD's. Now, I'm not going to waste my time or yours providing all the documentation that proves he had them, we all know he did. The problem lies in that we haven't found them yet. I agree, this is a big problem. My contention though, is that it's a big problem for PR. We told the world we were going to go in and get the WMD's and now they're not there. We've got some explaining to do. If we'd just gone ahead and said we're gonna go in and get rid of the evil dictator to stabilize the region everything would have been fine. So, we're now back at square one. Did we do a good thing? I say yes, we just sold it the wrong way.Originally posted by Mr_Snafu I hope we look back in 5 years, and say, "Yes, this was worth it."
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