Thread: Ann coulter: Agree or disagree

my, aren't you just a bag of slinkies... with all your compliments for everyone and whatnot...

I try

Originally posted by Eggs
Thats not necessarily true Tomas. The land is just as much the Jews as anybody elses... that is after all where they were long ago before they were taken into captivity and dispersed.

so they didnt invade hamas to take that land away?

Israel retaliates generally... they dont just go blow people up. Palestinine on the other hand does. The main targets that Israel has in Palestine are Hamas leaders... who are fair targets as they orchestrate attacks against Israel. Its too bad that some civilians die now and then, but thats the cost of war when you have terrorists walking free on your streets..

they bomb isreal b/c thats all they have..they are fighting for their land..

Anybody that says Christianity is the most corrupt religion is wrong. Its an uneducated statement at best .

wrong on who?? are u sure about that?





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Both sides need to give up violence for there to be any hope for the situation to be resolved over there. Unfortunately, I think that while Israel would... there is no such chance of that happening from Palestine or the other Arab countries in the area. They after all, want to destroy and kill all the Israelites..

will never happen

btw, Israel isnt a christian country. Nice of you to think so... but they are Jews. Judaism doesnt believe that the Christ has come as far as I know

i never said isreal was a christian country...of course they are a jewish..u just read it wrong...

Originally posted by Eggs
Thats not necessarily true Tomas. The land is just as much the Jews as anybody elses... that is after all where they were long ago before they were taken into captivity and dispersed.

Hmmm, I may be just grasping at something that isn't there, but I find it interesting that our country has put so much effort in giving back land to people who had it stolen many years ago. Makes me feel that there is a similar people who had a similar fate, I just can't put my finger on it. Hmmmmm, anyone got any beads.

Actually Dale, I think we positioned Israel there to insert an area of US influence into the region. We can count on them to always be our ally... unlike any other country in that region.

Oooh, careful there Dale, there be Indians in these here woods

Originally posted by tomas101
so they didnt invade hamas to take that land away?

Invade Hamas? Hamas is a terrorist organization... are they entitled to land?

they bomb isreal b/c thats all they have..they are fighting for their land..

Since when did they have it? They arent fighting for their land... they have been trying to steal land for quite some time. That land was given to Israel after WW2 first off... the rest of the land Israel took from different countries that attacked it. Or did you forget that?

wrong on who?? are u sure about that?

Yeah, I'm sure about it. You havent studied religion very much obviously. Corruption is certainly not closed off to all religions except Christianity.

will never happen

Nope... Israel is just too nice to destroy Palestine. That and they cant afford the bad publicity as the world loves to cry foul on them. Regardless, Palestinians parents will continue to take money to encourage their kids to blow themselves up against a cement wall or something along those lines. Really smart ones might make it into a place where civilians are and manage to kill off a group of them.

i never said isreal was a christian country...of course they are a jewish..u just read it wrong...

some say christinanity(sp) is more corrupt than any other religion...how about we go into isreal and clean them up first..

You need to clarify your statements a bit better then

What country are you from Tomas? Just interested... most world opinion isnt so favourable to Israel. A good deal of Europe is still dissappointed that Hitler didnt manage to get them all... oh well, maybe they'll get over it one day.

Also keep in mind that if Israel wanted to EXPAND it's borders, it could have also done this years ago.

Remember, Israel haswon all of it's wars against Jordan, Egypt, Syria..etc.
Israel gave the overwhelming majority of of it's land conquests back...VOLUNTARILY. No arm twisting by the US. When else in history has the winning nation voluntarily given land back??.

It's anti- Jewish propaganda saying that Israel is secretly wanting to conquer this or that. THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT AND VOLUNTARILY GIVEN IT BACK.

There are many FACTS which show Israel in a bad light... Israel is certainly not perfect. But, they have a right to exist and protect themselves against those who would seek their elimination. War is ugly and the Palestinians, since their invention, want war.


(let's not forget that this land was first in the hands of the Ottaman empire, then the Brits who divided it up among different Arab nations, etc. It never belonged to the Palestinians since they really did not exist until the last half of the 20th century. (Even Yassar Arafat is not "Palestenian" I believe grew up in Cairo,Egypt.) The irony.

yeah, isn't it ironic that the one or two of the most famous/ infamous nationalistic despots are in fact not even from that particular nation? Hitler was Austrian.

As an aside, i listened to a group of young'un tell me that Hitler was from Austin ( Texas ) and then a young lady corrected the lad by saying , 'NO, hitler wasn't from Austin, he was from Australia."
HIstory; bound to repeat itself ad naseum...

As for Israel:

The U.S. government gives Israel 3 billion dollars per year in aid. More than any other nation in the world.

2 billion MUST be spent on American defense contractor companies. Weapons ranging from helicopters to tank, to guns to what have you.

After this requirement is done, Israel can then spend the other 1 billiong on anything.

One example among many....

As for HAMAS:

The reason why Hamas is conducting suicide attacks is because of the:

Right of Return Issue.

Don't expect Hamas to stop.

Originally posted by Eggs
Invade Hamas? Hamas is a terrorist organization... are they entitled to land?

ok this is my fuk up i meant the gaza strip//

Since when did they have it? They arent fighting for their land... they have been trying to steal land for quite some time. That land was given to Israel after WW2 first off... the rest of the land Israel took from different countries that attacked it. Or did you forget that?

the gaza strip and the west bank are not officialy part of israel...
were they ever israel's to give...did they win this in battle?(i dunno if they did?)

What country are you from Tomas? Just interested... most world opinion isnt so favourable to Israel. A good deal of Europe is still dissappointed that Hitler didnt manage to get them all... oh well, maybe they'll get over it one day.

i'm from the same country as you,i was born catholic, dont follow it tho, i just dont share the same beliefs as you i guess on most aspects

Originally posted by tomas101
the gaza strip and the west bank are not officialy part of israel...
were they ever israel's to give...did they win this in battle?(i dunno if they did?)

Yes and no. See Bandaid Womans post. In 1947 didnt the UN alot certain portions of those territories to Israel and to the Arabs? During the Seven Day War I'm not sure how much of the area Israel conquered. It was a good sized chunk.

thanks :tu:

Heres a map of some of area and the different portions under Palestinian and Israeli control.

http://www.fmep.org/reports/2002/v12n1_p5_lg_map.html

Originally posted by Eggs
Yes and no. See Bandaid Womans post. In 1947 didnt the UN alot certain portions of those territories to Israel and to the Arabs? During the Seven Day War I'm not sure how much of the area Israel conquered. It was a good sized chunk.

Israel acquired the West Bank and Gaza Strip after the Six day war. I believe the Gaza Strip was won from Egypt and I think in 1973, Egypt declared war in an attempt to win back the land it lost to Israel (this may have included gaza and Sinai but I'm not sure) during the Six day war in 1967 and got their asses kicked again. The latter was called the Yom Kippur War.

If people want some additional background on Hamas and the suicide bombings, they should look into the 1948 UN Partition of Palestine.

That's when the UN decided to carve up the country.

One of the biggest mistakes of the 20th Century.

Who are the terrosists? If Hamas is a terrorist organization then Sharon and the Israelis are as well.

Originally posted by BigBallaGA
this lady is a total fucking lunatic !!!!!

people like her is what makes 0s@m@ want to exterminate the U.S.

So... following this logic then one would assume you feel Osama was justified in his actions? Are you implying that it is understandable that terrorists would seek to murder innocent human beings since people like Ann Coulter are free to express thier opinions?

They (the terrorists) have clearly demonstrated thier willingness to die for thier beliefs. It is now time for us to demonstrate that we are more than willing to facilitate the opportunity for them to do so.

Last I recalled September 11 impacted several nations other than the United States. Subsuquent to Sep 11 there have been numerous attacks in other Nations killing hundreds of people. Are we to assume that all this is due to people like Ann Coulter somehow "provoking" these terrorists to anger?

Here's my take...

These terrorists are sub-human scum of the earth. They are merciless killers who have twisted their beliefs into something demonic to serve thier own self-serving agendas. They deserve to be hunted like dogs and slaughtered like cattle. Do not make the deadly mistake of believing that these animals have some sort of "holy cause" in thier agenda. They are mindless killers hell bent on destroying our faith and freedom to believe. Do you REALLY think that if we somehow "silenced" people like Ann Coulter that these killers would suddenly stop killing innocent people? I think not.

Originally posted by Mr_Snafu
If people want some additional background on Hamas and the suicide bombings, they should look into the 1948 UN Partition of Palestine.

That's when the UN decided to carve up the country.

One of the biggest mistakes of the 20th Century.

Who are the terrosists? If Hamas is a terrorist organization then Sharon and the Israelis are as well.

Back in 1948, the UN proposed two seperate nations. One for Israel and one for the Arabs. The Israeli's agreed, but the Arabs didn't, and a war was fought over that and the Arabs lost. And here comes the very best part, the country that would have made 'Palestine' in 1948 would have actually been LARGER than it would be today!

During the interwar years, when the region was a mandate to Britain, the British dubbed their entire mandate 'Palestine', not just the part where Modern Israel is. When they divided up the region after World War 2, they put 80% of the land into Jordan! So if Palestinians want their own state, then they already have one. Jordan is 80% of Palestine.

Like you, I have no love for Sharon. However, unlike Arrafat's PA, the Hamas will not ever recognize an Israeli state. Their raison d'etre is the elimination of every Jew and it is in their charter. How this will ever bring peace to the region, I'll never know. And remember, civilians are their main targets. Unfortunately, Palestinian civilians deaths have been due to collateral damage, but they are not the main targets of the Israeli milititary.

The war in Palestine is not a fair fight. The Israelis greatly restrict their use of force on Palestinians, but Palestinians give no quarter when they're fighting.

They don't care who they're shooting, so long as they're shooting Israelis and people who are working for them. If Israelis were to fight the same way the Palestinians are fighting, there woudln't be a single Arab left alive in the country.

Muslim comedianne Shazia Mirza on her standup comedy career.

"If the comedy thing doesn't work out, I'm going to be a suicide bomber. I spoke to my counselor about it. She said no experience is required, you don't have to wait for payday, and it'll get you out of that marriage to your ugly cousin".

Saying all Muslims are terrorists, is like saying Christians never sin.

All this stuff goes back to when Britian had control of the region. It was Britian that declared a commitment to a Jewish state in the region, not America. Do a search on the Balfour Declaration (1917) for details.

It wasn't until 1948 that Britian ended it's administration of the region.

For people that think the US caused all this crap, it's simply not true. We've done our fair share of BS there, but, again, it was Britian that first commited to a Jewish state in Palestine.

with all of these facts out there, it's alarming how many people still think we are at fault.

It's so easy for people to believe we are the big evil in the world, and will grant terrorists any excuse. I think this type of mentality is fostered by the liberal culture we live in- I will not call it anti-american, but you be the judge....

Originally posted by Hanz29
with all of these facts out there, it's alarming how many people still think we are at fault.

It's so easy for people to believe we are the big evil in the world, and will grant terrorists any excuse. I think this type of mentality is fostered by the liberal culture we live in- I will not call it anti-american, but you be the judge....

I don't think it's due to the liberal culture in a political sense (i am liberal) but just due to lack of historical education about the events and the history preceding and centering around the state of Israel.

kinda goes along with what I meant

people don't have a clue, but form an opinion of blaming america