Thread: 180 MPH on the HW

Originally Posted by Randy

After making the mistake on my Camaro several years ago of installing dual chamber flowmasters, I have acquired a preference toward quiet exhaust

Camaro will never sound like a Mustang no matter what you do to it. My exaust is LAUD, but in a good way. I love the sound

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

I have seen dyno sheet on a Mustang GT with only LT headers, cated x-pipe and Mac catback gained 28rwhp over the stock dyno.

LT1s were getting 25+ with just LTs

Originally Posted by Randy

After making the mistake on my Camaro several years ago of installing dual chamber flowmasters, I have acquired a preference toward quiet exhaust

I used to have to be to work 35 miles away, at 3:30 in the morning. My car was a 69 Firebird, dual long tubes and dual 3" exaust back to dual chamber flows. I pushed my car out of the neighborhood.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Camaro will never sound like a Mustang no matter what you do to it. My exaust is LAUD, but in a good way. I love the sound

The stang does still sound different, however the LS1 is very similar since its the SAME firing order My car reminds me very much of my Cobra days, same muffler, same firing order.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Camaro will never sound like a Mustang no matter what you do to it. My exaust is LAUD, but in a good way. I love the sound

You never heard a 68 camaro 387 cu in with headers and dual chamber flows...
Especially with the 3 inch pipes only run 3/4 of the way with turnbuckles pointing down... (total resinance to compound the matters). If you took a drive in the car, your ears would literally ring for 30 minutes. Neighbors windows would vibrate.. I can almost guarantee that it was much loader than your mustang. I'm not bragging here, that is a bad thing.
I was not happy with that at all since it was just to loud. I would drive down the road and cops clear on the other side would look at me. I had one that was writing someone a ticket on the opposite side of an expressway and he stopped writing to look and stare... I would have been much happier with the 3 chamber flowmasters... I heard them on a mustang and they sounded very nice. You still get the mean low pitched sound when you get on it, but yet its not overbearing.

The older Mustangs will sound very similar to an old Chevy, the new ones though I can tell virtually 100% of the time if not 100%. I dont recall when the firing order changed, 1983?

My 94 LT1 with an open cutout was not as loud nor had resonation like my 69 did, I set off car alarms 2 blocks away with my Firebird but my Camaro didn't unless I was gas happy. I had turndowns on my mufflers too but it wasn't far enough back, so I had too much cabin resonation because of it. You could not talk in the car on the freeway at all, you could not yell successfully either. 15 MPH or so you could talk if you were very loud, thats about the end of the line. Yes I had headache issues, but I was still you and dumb so I loved it.

I am becoming more like Randy, I still dream of big ass cams and open exaust but its not something I'd live with around the clock very well, nor would my neighbors or the police. I got one fix it ticket for my 94 when it was modded, because of decibel level.

On the dyno I pegged the meter @ 125db, about like standing next to an ambulence.

Originally Posted by Mudge

I used to have to be to work 35 miles away, at 3:30 in the morning. My car was a 69 Firebird, dual long tubes and dual 3" exaust back to dual chamber flows. I pushed my car out of the neighborhood.
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Hell yeah I can relate Mudge.. I couldn't even fire the car up after say 10pm. I didn't want to get any worse of a reputation than I had just by starting the car during normal hours .

But unless you actually have had dual chamber flowmasters on a early model hot rod, you can't even imagine the sound they make

Now as far as different sound, most definately the late model mustangs are completely different sounding than the early model hot rods. They have more of a cleaner fast reving sound. But I would say the early models had the potential of being louder and more obnoxious.

It's funny you mention car alarms....I used to set them off just idling That is another reason why I didn't go out past 10pm... Everywhere I went I was setting those damn alarms off...

Yep realistically my 69 was WEAK (3 speed, econo rear, probably tired) but daaaaaaamn it was loud and sounded SO badass, I loved stepping on the gas. 400 cubes of tired old Pontiac fun.

The one cop that pulled me over in that car (tail light was out) was telling me about his brothers old Camaro, cops LOVED that car. Seriously you get looks in a muscle car, newer cars, beh. I still want a 68 or something someday

That car was riding on 225s and was maybe 3300ish pounds, so it was pretty easy to push the 4 blocks neccessary, plus it was on a slight grade downhill (couple degrees) so really it was not so bad, but a bit humorous. At the movie theater with some chick I was seeing in college, every time I started that thing up everyone would stare, seriously its like being a woman and going from an A cup to a double D or something, people treat you and look at you way differently for the rest of your days.

Every car I have had since then, I still think back to that sound and just feel like something is missing. My 94 had shorties (CARB legal) and of course a single exaust. EVERY time I see a fixed up first gen I get serious car envy.

I can't think of a single cop that liked my camaro, or me for that matter since I was driving it

I remember one time when it was pretty late and not a car on the road I was out joy riding with some buddies.. I decided to bring it up to about 120 for a short burst. I ripped by an intersection and who do I see (Mr. officer of the law) Well, at that point the question in my mind was "hmmm should I pull over after going 120 past the cop?" or "should I go even faster and lose him down a few residential neighborhoods?"
Well, I think you know the one I selected Well after ripping through a few residentials, I pulled over and hit the lights. We just sat there shooting the breeze for at least 5-10 minutes until I seen headlights coming down the road It was the cop. He asked me what I was doing in front of the house. I told him that I had just detailed the car and noticed I spilled some sunflower seeds and pulled over to pick them up I couldn't think of anything else to say. And I did spill the seeds. He told me that he thought I was full of shit and asked for my license..He then accused me of being the yellow streak that flew by him like a blurred vision. I just played dumb, and denied it. He wrote on the back of my license... Advised by officer (Joe Blow) 22350 vehicle code. When I got home I just erased it with a pen eraser .... I thought it was funny then, but it was a stupid thing to do... You live and learn. I was like you , just young and dumb.

I was about 20 when I had that car, so perhaps my age meant something, and perhaps I got lucky with cops. I've seen them shoot the sheet with Harley guys too, guys on looooud ass bikes, so maybe we have some enthusiasts here dunno.

Anyhow, past my bedtime little Miss Muffet

L8R Mudge...

I'm hitting the rack too

I have to go to California one day and hear all this Camaros, I’m secluded from the rest of the world here it seems. I have never heard a Camaro or Corvette with a nice sounding exaust. I’m also talking about newer cars here not old ones.



(By the way Randy I wasn’t born in 86, true I have never owned an older mustang or camaro made back 20 years before I was born. My comment made thinking on the newer cars)

I’m not trying to sound like an ass, just talking about the cars I been around.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

I have to go to California one day and hear all this Camaros, I’m secluded from the rest of the world here it seems. I have never heard a Camaro or Corvette with a nice sounding exaust. I’m also talking about newer cars here not old ones.



(By the way Randy I wasn’t born in 86, true I have never owned an older mustang or camaro made back 20 years before I was born. My comment made thinking on the newer cars)

I’m not trying to sound like an ass, just talking about the cars I been around.

Kata,

I didn't mean to come across like you were born in a turnup truck
I figured though that you were referring to the newer models. This is why I emphasized my statement about the early ones. I have not heard a new model mustang with equal flowmaster exhaust sound lounder than the early models.. That was my point. Face it Kata, the early 1967-1969 models arent't exactly filling the streets on every corner . I don't care were you are, if your into the newer models, you may never really come across an early model and if you did you might not get the chance to hear it or pay much attention to it. Not only that with the limited 1967-1969 models out there, how many of them are running dual chamber flowmasters? I'll tell you, slim to none. You know how it is...If you're totally into something you seem to see and notice much more of them. If your not, you may not see any... And I wasn't saying you didn't hear a camaro or corvette with a nice sounding exhaust. We were talking about obnoxiously loud exhaust.

I think I'm the only one here who has a 4 cylinder car. Don't get me wrong, there is no replacement for displacement, but I already can't afford gas. Also, I love the sound of a nice 8 cylinder exhaust tone. Plus, I love being able to smash V8s with half the cylinders.

I'm getting over 20 MPG, but it was nice being near 40 with a 4 cylinder yep.

Originally Posted by Randy

Kata,

I didn't mean to come across like you were born in a turnup truck
I figured though that you were referring to the newer models. This is why I emphasized my statement about the early ones. I have not heard a new model mustang with equal flowmaster exhaust sound lounder than the early models.. That was my point. Face it Kata, the early 1967-1969 models arent't exactly filling the streets on every corner . I don't care were you are, if your into the newer models, you may never really come across an early model and if you did you might not get the chance to hear it or pay much attention to it. Not only that with the limited 1967-1969 models out there, how many of them are running dual chamber flowmasters? I'll tell you, slim to none. You know how it is...If you're totally into something you seem to see and notice much more of them. If your not, you may not see any... And I wasn't saying you didn't hear a camaro or corvette with a nice sounding exhaust. We were talking about obnoxiously loud exhaust.

Loud exaust get old real quick on your daily driven car, at least it does for me. I can tell you this because after installation of the 4.10 gears my following buy was the off road x pipe. It was very loud indeed with the x pipe, but with the stock muffler is sounded like crap and only was kind of cool for me the first two weeks. After that I could not wait to get my hands on the Magnaflows. After installing my Magnaflows the tone was even louder, but it has an awesome sound, I just love it every single time I hear my baby roar. I have seen a couple of Mustangs from the 60s, and they sound incredible, way WAY better than my car; I was never arguing that point. As for Flowmaster I’m not a big fan. In the mustangs with an H pipe they sound great, now put them on an off road x pipe like the one I have and they sound like crap. I know this because I have heard them myself and also heard a lot of people talk about it. They are also more restrictive than some of the competitors. I wanted something not as restrictive as Flowmaster and still delivering a good tone, Magnaflows was my best bet and I couldn’t be any happier with my buy.

Originally Posted by Mudge

I'm getting over 20 MPG, but it was nice being near 40 with a 4 cylinder yep.

Actually, I only get about 20MPG on my car in the city. However, I make over 300HP at the crank.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Loud exaust get old real quick on your daily driven car, at least it does for me. I can tell you this because after installation of the 4.10 gears my following buy was the off road x pipe. It was very loud indeed with the x pipe, but with the stock muffler is sounded like crap and only was kind of cool for me the first two weeks. After that I could not wait to get my hands on the Magnaflows. After installing my Magnaflows the tone was even louder, but it has an awesome sound, I just love it every single time I hear my baby roar. I have seen a couple of Mustangs from the 60s, and they sound incredible, way WAY better than my car; I was never arguing that point. As for Flowmaster I’m not a big fan. In the mustangs with an H pipe they sound great, now put them on an off road x pipe like the one I have and they sound like crap. I know this because I have heard them myself and also heard a lot of people talk about it. They are also more restrictive than some of the competitors. I wanted something not as restrictive as Flowmaster and still delivering a good tone, Magnaflows was my best bet and I couldn’t be any happier with my buy.

Yeah, I hated the loud sound too....sucked. When I can afford it, I will look at the Magnaflows for mine as well But lowering it will come first.

Found this video kind of funny
Reminds me of the saying "My Drill has more torque than your Honda..."

http://2north.net/forum/download.php?id=45

Originally Posted by Mudge

LT1s were getting 25+ with just LTs

What about on an LS1, is that on a NA car? Is so that’s pretty darn impressive, I thought camaros where crap as far as exaust goes.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Actually, I only get about 20MPG on my car in the city. However, I make over 300HP at the crank.

My 37 MPG car was an 85 CRX, so I had about 86 HP at the crank.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

What about on an LS1, is that on a NA car? Is so that’s pretty darn impressive, I thought camaros where crap as far as exaust goes.

I'm talking about an otherwise bone dead stock car brother, the LS1s dont get as much because the tubular exaust is better than the older cast iron manifolds. Incidentally however the Vettes went back to iron later on, but till an improved design over the old stuff. The LS1s pick up around 18 HP or so for starters, otherwise stock, air lid a bit less, and a K&N filter alone only shows about 3HP over stock.

Borla catback on a 96 LT1, not worth the price although it has a built in "cutout."
http://www.ws6.com/mod-5.htm

Originally Posted by Mudge

My 37 MPG car was an 85 CRX, so I had about 86 HP at the crank.

Not to mention those things weigh right about 2000 pounds curb weight. My car is about 3150 curb weight due to the iron block the engine contains and the additional weight of the AWD drivetrain.

1830 pounds or thereabouts yep, rest assured a CRX with AWD and an iron block would weigh far less than 3150 pounds brother

I carried a straight 6 shortblock (iron) up 4 flights of stairs, they dont weigh THAT much more than aluminum.

Originally Posted by Mudge

1830 pounds or thereabouts yep, rest assured a CRX with AWD and an iron block would weigh far less than 3150 pounds brother

I carried a straight 6 shortblock (iron) up 4 flights of stairs, they dont weigh THAT much more than aluminum.

I know, it's still pretty heavy. The FWD variant is about 2900 pounds. I'm not entirely sure why. Either way, these engines can handle 450HP at the crank without internal modification (Which is good for high 11s or low 12s). So they can haul ass for a 4 cylinder.

250 pounds comes and goes pretty fast on a car these days, so who really knows yep.

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Found this video kind of funny
Reminds me of the saying "My Drill has more torque than your Honda..."

http://2north.net/forum/download.php?id=45

Some serious torque on that one don't you think?

"My 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew has more cubes than your Honda" or something like that.

Mustangs suck ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

14 mpg, it is so horrible, v8 jeep 5.2, sucks my bank account dry