Thread: Fahrenheit 911...

“Change the channel”

- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.


[NYT 12th April 2004]

Originally Posted by copen73

kbm8795, where did you get the Sun Myung Moon story?

That appeared in a column in the New York Times (three months after the fact) and there was a story in the Washington Post. Seems like there are some lawmakers trying to quickly backpedal from their observance of Moon's "coronation"...some are claiming that they thought it was just an award (strange, since he and his wife were dressed in medieval royal robes and had gold crowns placed on their heads). The moonies are quite active in politics, especially the Republican Party. Among Rev. Moon's agenda is that homosexuality can be cured by heterosexuals sleeping nude together (yeah...figure that one out) . . .and that the Black race is only that way because of environment....if they would go live at the North Pole, they would be white in a few generations.

Sounds like something straight up the extreme right's alley. . .fascism can thrive quite well behind the cloak of "religion." The Moon's support a dozen national legislative proposals to grant churches more power over public policy and government. Strangely enough, as many conservatives scream about Muslims, they generally are silent when it comes to that wealthy theocratic wing of their own Party. As we keep our attention focused on Iraq, one wonders where discussion of the domestic agenda is. . . but we are beginning to have clues. In Alabama, one religious group is demanding that judicial candidates answer questionnaires about their religious beliefs and the "commitment" to them. In North Carolina, which has a misdemeanor anti-cohabitating law dating from 1805, a former police 911 operator felt she had to leave her job because the sheriff felt that her living with a boyfriend of 12 years was immoral and employees couldn't be breaking the law.

The Alabama Senate had passed a law dictating that state property can be used to post copies of the Ten Commandments - indicating that Christians must forget them so often that they need to be reminded of them every time they walk into a public place. And on the federal level, legislation designed to force employers to grant wider freedoms for "religious" convictions (meaning, make allowances for fundamentalists who don't like women working, gays, or feel that other religions are not "truth" so they can either proselytize or avoid having contact with them). This is rather similar to a Michigan law that allows medical personnel to refuse treatment of people who go against their personal religious beliefs (and one wonders how anyone would KNOW someone walking into a hospital might engage in behavior that isn't acceptable to a nurse's religious doctrine).

One reason the extreme right has limited their "defense" of marriage to attacking gay couples instead of demanding a federal amendment outlawing divorce and enforcing adultery is because so many of them are wrapped up in their own personal dysfunctional marriage dramas. Roberta Combs, the current director of the Christian Coalition, is allegedly (and expensively) involved with the divorce of her own daughter. And some evangelicals support divorce, especially in cases where wives are not allowed to take their "traditional" roles as housewives within their marriages.

Meanwhile, our own Ayatolluh...er...President...continues to earmark taxpayer dollars for marriage educational programs (usually faith-based from ...you guessed it...an evangelical organization) and freely doles out taxpayer grants through his "faith-based" charity programs to Pat Robertson and churches that publicly endorse him. But now that Moon has been crowned monarch of America, conservatives should take great jubiliation from his claim that all deceased American ex-presidents spiritually communicate with him from the dead and that ALL of them support his role as the new Messiah. Other religious conservatives may be unhappy with this revelation, since they've been increasingly contending that the Prez himself was chosen by God.

Sounds like Bush and Rev. Moon could end up on a theocratic collision course. Hold onto your bibles, Americans....our own special brand of homegrown religious terrorism is soon to come.

love has lost all of it's power
counting down to it's final hours
bombs rain down in a death shower
the sour taste in the back of my throat
tells me I could've broke the vote
if I had just took the the time and wrote
down my pick, now I feel sick
thick blood pours from the wound on my head
as my soul rises up and floats away with Death
propelled by the energy of my last breath

Rap song??

Tomas101



I am naive and ignorant? Let me ask you question. What facts did I get wrong? I don't believe I have a single fact wrong. You are right; people from many countries celebrated the attack on the WTC (maybe we should bomb them all, I mean anyone who celebrates the death of 3000 civilians might not deserve to stay on this earth). However, our forces have found documents in Iraq proving that Saddam provided financial support to AL Queda. So my facts on that are right. What other facts did I mess up?



I personally don't like Moore because I believe he is a fat ass who always twists facts to try to support his personal beliefs. I don't think he interprets facts differently, no IMHO He purposely cuts and past from the truth, leaving out crucial information. Thus, pretty much making all he says a lie.



Now I am not trying to be mean to you, but you tried to call me out. So back your words up. Tell me where in the world you have been. How many Arabs have you talked to you to tell you we were wrong? I just came back from a deployment to the Middle East and almost every Arab I talked to thought Saddam Hussein was an evil man who needed to be taken out of power. My friends, who are stationed in Iraq, have met many people who are glad we came.


Have you watched the news? You know the reels where common Iraqi people stated that they are glad the U.S. is still there so that their country doesn't fall into a civil war? I have, while I was deployed I was fortunate enough to see World CNN, not the one we get here. Of course you haven’t seen them, it is more “entertaining” and prosperous for the news media to show you the people who hate us, to bust their ratings.



So the ball is in your court. Prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

Rap song??

Holy crap or rather

Un-holy crap my rhymes have awoken the devil

GreatShaytan howsit?

Originally Posted by BigBallaGA

“Change the channel”

- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.


[NYT 12th April 2004]

Again BigBallaGA what the fuck is your point. Just tell me, cuz I just don't see it. If I was a Brig. Gen. i'd probably tell them the same thing, cuz I certainly am not going to stop fighting the war because of images of innocent civilians killed on TV. Maybe if the enemy wouldn't pretend to be an innocent civilian and then send his 3 year old son up to me to beg for candy, with a bomb strapped to his back, there wouldn't be any innocent civilian deaths. And you act like this is crap alot of us don't already know. I got news for ya a Brig. General is an officer freshly promoted from Colonel, and they are not exactly politicians, they say what's on their mind, they aren't looking for your fucking vote. They are coming up with a big plan to win the battles, and not get me and my entire unit killed.

Originally Posted by copen73

Tomas101


However, our forces have found documents in Iraq proving that Saddam provided financial support to AL Queda. So my facts on that are right. What other facts did I mess up?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the 9/11 commission find the exact opposite of this to be true?

Regardless, it is too late now, it is already being taken care of as we speak, Iraq that is.

Dale you are right what is done is done. Now we just need to handle the situation as it is and move on. And I will let it lie there.

As a fellow military man it is hard to come to terms with the contradictions that I feel, I am 100% behind the men and women fighting in this war( as I think we all are). However I don't believe the reasons being given are actual or truthful and it makes me angry to see americans die for lies. I doubt any man has ever fought a war truly knowing what his role in history will become, but I like to believe that if my last breath is taken on a battle field it will be taken knowing that I was honestly defending my family and country. I think that every soilder deserves this and I don't believe the people in Iraq are getting this respect. I don't care what extremists say right or left, if our people are going to continue to die over there they deserve more than some obscure terrorist excuse that can't quite be proven. I don't what vets coming back wondering what they fought for, you would think vietnam had taught us that.

Originally Posted by Sean0621

Again BigBallaGA what the fuck is your point.

The point he's trying to make with this fabrication is that a Brigadier General in the U.S. Army is admitting to innocent civilians being killed by coalition troops. This is a total fabrication because they posted one question and then his answer to a DIFFERENT question. I don't know who's worse, the fucking morons who write this shit or the fucking morons who believe it.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

This is a total fabrication because they posted one question and then his answer to a DIFFERENT question. I don't know who's worse, the fucking morons who write this shit or the fucking morons who believe it.

Hey just like the Michael Moore movie.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

The point he's trying to make with this fabrication is that a Brigadier General in the U.S. Army is admitting to innocent civilians being killed by coalition troops. This is a total fabrication because they posted one question and then his answer to a DIFFERENT question. I don't know who's worse, the fucking morons who write this shit or the fucking morons who believe it.

I would imagine that he would say it in the same manner even if the questions was phrased towards civilians. Who cares, it is an accurate statement, shit happens, get over it. How many civilians died during 9/11?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would imagine that he would say it in the same manner even if the questions was phrased towards civilians. Who cares, it is an accurate statement, shit happens, get over it. How many civilians died during 9/11?

Well, generals are more political figures than actual military figures so they tend to be a bit more careful with their speech................regardless of how they REALLY feel.

You've stated exactly what my emotional take on the whole thing is. It's a fucking war and people die, get over it. On the other hand, I have to look at this without emotion and say if the original Q&A had been factual I'd have been upset. You don't just ramdomly kill innocents and say, "So what?" That's not war, that's barbarism. (aka. the Saddam regime) Luckily, the original Q&A was fabricated propaganda and WE are not the ones killing the innocent civilians, the terrorists are. (OK, maybe saying that's "lucky" isn't the best choice of words, but you get my point. )

I have not read this thread, but figured I'd troll by saying I hope Michael Moore gets leveled by a bus.

Then again, that fat ass would probably cause more damage to the bus than the bus to him.

Originally Posted by copen73

Tomas101



I am naive and ignorant? Let me ask you question. What facts did I get wrong? I don't believe I have a single fact wrong. You are right; people from many countries celebrated the attack on the WTC (maybe we should bomb them all, I mean anyone who celebrates the death of 3000 civilians might not deserve to stay on this earth). However, our forces have found documents in Iraq proving that Saddam provided financial support to AL Queda. So my facts on that are right. What other facts did I mess up?



I personally don't like Moore because I believe he is a fat ass who always twists facts to try to support his personal beliefs. I don't think he interprets facts differently, no IMHO He purposely cuts and past from the truth, leaving out crucial information. Thus, pretty much making all he says a lie.



Now I am not trying to be mean to you, but you tried to call me out. So back your words up. Tell me where in the world you have been. How many Arabs have you talked to you to tell you we were wrong? I just came back from a deployment to the Middle East and almost every Arab I talked to thought Saddam Hussein was an evil man who needed to be taken out of power. My friends, who are stationed in Iraq, have met many people who are glad we came.


Have you watched the news? You know the reels where common Iraqi people stated that they are glad the U.S. is still there so that their country doesn't fall into a civil war? I have, while I was deployed I was fortunate enough to see World CNN, not the one we get here. Of course you haven’t seen them, it is more “entertaining” and prosperous for the news media to show you the people who hate us, to bust their ratings.



So the ball is in your court. Prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)first paragraph has been proven wrong by the 9/11 commision
2)many pple are happy suddam is gone, but to tell me that they agree with what we are doing is totally bogus
3)the news like foxnews cnn, dont cover a lot of what is being done so i stay away from those news channels and watch a lil more of bbc and i do watch world cnn b/c of the exact reasons u mentioned

but thats whats great, we can disagree all we want b/c we are lucky to be here

Originally Posted by tomas101

thats whats great, we can disagree all we want b/c we are lucky to be here

Quick, some brilliant MOD please close this thread on tomas101's outstanding statement so we can all just get on with our lives.



Oops, I said "brilliant MOD". What an idiot.

Beer farts...


A little more brilliance from the Dale Mabry camp to keep this thread alive.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Oops, I said "brilliant MOD". What an idiot.

You ought to know better than that.

Sorry to bump such a long thread, but this is great!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/interne...eut/index.html

just to help out copen 73.....whoever said there are no links sadly has their facts screwed....while it is true that there are no links between Saddam and 9-11
there are links between the Al-Qaeda organization and Iraq, which is the claim copen asserted....

Please research your facts before you claim them to be true.....I will post a link proving mine_

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/night...raq020927.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...m/iraq_bush_dc

Originally Posted by maniclion

GreatShaytan howsit?

Outstanding! How ya'll hanging?