Stickboy

Hey kbm8795,

Yep, I alluded to it. Would I do it? No. Sometimes it does get tiring to have people screaming at you simply because of your job. They are well within their rights to protest in a non-violent manner.

However, calling soldiers names, spitting on them, etc. is like people attacking the kids working at McDonalds for rising health care cost.

Rich46yo

""""""I refuse to discuss this anymore in this open forum because it is wasting my time and your time people. Know that whether I agree or disagree, fight I will, and I will always have every soldiers back, forever, even long after I retire. I will always be a loyal soldier. That is all. MTN WARRIOR OUT. """"""

Sean this here is what I'm talking about. What makes you think this guy is an actual soldier? What proof does he give? He makes M. Moore type accusations and spreads leftists propaganda that has no basis in fact, and then, he refuses to debate the matter. What he said, and I already pasted it in earlier posts, borders on providing aid and comfort to the enemy. He doesn't even name his unit,MOS, or rank. From what I can tell he's a 12yo kid with absolutely no grasp of the actual events, both historical and current, that has led to this current military action.

Grow up kiddies. A lot of it IS about oil. And if we allowed ME oil to be controlled by hostile forces our economy would self destruct and THEN what kind of movie would M. Moore make? What would the "no blood for oil" crowd be shrieking on our streets then? with 60% unemployment, runaway inflation, 5x the crime????

You see Ive sen this act before. I'm 47yo now and I remember M. Moores momma, Jane Fonda, traipsing around Hanoi wearing a gook helmut, trashing the very country that made her rich. I remember the troops being spit on when they came home. I remember the stupid leftist media saying "the war is unwinnable" even tho we just spanked the shit out of the enemy in their Tet offensive. Ive seen the whole act before. Even tho there are actually very few parallels between Vietnam and the current conflict there are plenty of them between the Jane Fondas and M. Moores.

Both are spoiled children of privilege, both have virulent leftist views that are long on opinion but short on fact, both have distorted actual events to provide aid and comfort to the enemy, neither have ever served their country in any meaningful way, other then to enrich themselves. Someone tell me where either one has earned the right to spread their flag burning dogma? At least John Kerry spent 4 mos in Vietnam, of course he then rode a scratch back to the states in order to call his comrades a bunch of "drug crazed baby killers". Now, of course, John Kerry says he never actually saw any war atrocities. I guess he saw them in movies and kinda assumed they actually happened.

The bottom line here? None of you children are able to debate me concerning my statements of the actual events I made in response to MNT warriors accusations. Therefore I guess I win and I hope you learned something. About the Gulf War-l, about Iran,Syria,North Korea, about Iraq and our reasons for invading it...ect You kids have to start reading more books and seeing less movies. At the very least learn to make your own objective decisions. I don't listen, read,or watch, any pundits, political news-shows. Be they rabid Liberal or conservative. And Ive never read anything by that neo-conservative doper, whats his name?

But exactly what are you feeling guilty about? We freed millions of people from a tyrant who's comparable to Hitler and/or Stalin. In fact, Saddam admired each of them. We are pouring billions of our wealth into Iraq to give them a future. We are spilling the blood of our children to give freedom to one of the most oppressed people in Human history. We have removed a monster who's attacked his neighbors, slaughtered his brothers, dropped sarin on woman and children, who's sons raped, tortured, and killed at will, and would have always been a threat to arm himself, and terrorists, with weapons so deadly they are beyond "your" imagining!!!! And then throw in the fact that he could have interrupted our oil supply and totally fucked up our economy!!! As he did in the Iraq/Iran war, tho the US Navy prevented greater damage.

Why do you all have such a problem with this, My only problem is we should have gone in earlier, when we had more troops, and we should be more ruthless in exterminating our enemies. And I tell you this, before its all over, everyone of these despotic rouge regimes are going to have to be faced down or removed by force. Mark my words on this. The American people are one more terrorist attack on our soil away from shitcanning M. Moore's 9/11 and going ape shit on these tyrants.

Heres another history lesson for you of the "X-box generation". After WWll the Nazis had a underground organization doing the exact same thing these Iraqi insurgents are doing now. They were called "Werewolves" and mostly operated in Bavaria. They numbered roughly 5,000 fanatical members of the Waffen SS and Hitler youth and their job was to conduct sabotage,assassinations, and intimidation of the occupying forces and Germans cooperating with them. "Sound familiar"?

You want to know how we dealt with the Werewolves? We assigned hard men from the British and Yank Intelligence services and parachute regiments and we hunted them down and murdered them in their beds. No judge, no jury, no rights, no shit. They got a single bullet in the back of the head on a lonely road in the middle of the night. The next morning the populace would see the body strung up on a tree with a sign,"retired werewolf", hanging on it. Needless to say the "werewolves" didn't have a very long career.

Some of you had better grow up. This conflict we are in with terrorist's and their supporting regimes is no game. They would annihilate an American city in a heartbeat if they ever get the chance, and you had better believe it. As far as Im concerned its the weakling,leftist, anti-military, hypocrite,flag burning cunts like M. Moore that have landed us in this predicament. They always have you know! They have always degraded our military when they have held power, always weakened our national resolve, always gave comfort to our enemy's, indeed have now forced our Govt. to shortly release many terrorists held in Guantanamo Cuba ,with their fucking lawyers.

The fact is we shouldn't be showing any mercy to these terrorists. Like the Israelis we should be murdering them on sight, unless theres some reason to keep them alive for awhile. To fight tyranny you have to be a little tyrannical. Its always been that way and always will...............take care.............Rich

"Death to Tyrants"!

Dale Mabry

The problem is, once this war is over, we are not going after any other countries. How do I know this, it seems pretty obvious. Cream of some young guy over in N Korea has told us he has started a nuclear program, we did nothing. Syria is a bigger threat, we do nothing. Saudi Arabia is a bigger threat, we do nothing. Once GW get's his grubby self-serving mits on the oil he so preciously craves, the war on terror is done for him. We do not have a zero-tolerance policy towards terrorist supporting nations considering we are in bed with Saudi Arabia.

Oh, and you are right Rich, we don't know whether or not MTN Warrior is a soldier, just like we have no idea about whether or not you were one. Anyone can be anyone online, gimme 5 seconds to look up some information and I could tell you all I am the owner of a Fortune 500 company and provide the facts to back it up. I have no reason to lie about who/what I am, so I assume that everyone else is in the same boat. Oh, by the way, I don't need your unit, MOS or rank, I don't care, I will asume you are telling the truth.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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Rich46yo

What on earth is this kid talking about? I joined the military why ? How in hell do you know why I joined the military ? I joined in 1977 no doubt before you were even born kid. What on earth are you blathering about? Tell me what is Michael Moore right about? Ive never read anything written by these people. Spreading fear? You mean your not afraid? Your really not afraid of terrorist attacks, especially with WMDs?
""""""Now let's get something straight here, Rich - you didn't join the military years ago out of this deep love and devotion for the ideals and Constitution of this country - you did it for Numero Uno. And while that happened to coincide with doing service for your country, you certainly didn't miss an opportunity to get as much of the taxpayers' benefits as possible to forward your own personal agenda. Why don't you get off this bitter self hero-worship rant and act like you are an American citizen who served his country instead of someone who trained for years in order to turn against his own fellow citizens? I can't apologize because Congress didn't put your head up over all the Presidents on Mt. Rushmore - or that we don't have your portrait in every school classroom and teach our kids how to goosestep with their mini assault weapons in recognition of your fear that a road runner might get across the dried-up Rio Grande and eat a piece of American rangegrass.""""""""""""

What the fuck is this kid talking about? Who is this kid?

"""""""""""And you know the plan to get there is to plant as much fear and hysteria as possible...you know, your correct "religion" has to be about "fearing" God...we gotta fear the French, fear the damned leftists, fear the next door neighbor, fear the guys in uniform who haven't learned how to goosestep, fear the hometown newspaper cuz it doesn't publish patriotic speeches every morning all over the front page. We gotta fear the "liberals" (who must be everyone who isn't toeing the PARTY line), fear our educators. . fear a speck of dirt in our toenails, fear the U.N., and goddammit, we better be ready to shoot our damned shadow in the midst of the night cuz we might need to be afraid of ourselves when we sleep, too. Ain't that the whole agenda, buddy?""""""""""

What? What do "toenails" have to do with anything? You want to "shoot your toenail"? The French? What are you talking about? I mean what in hell are you going on about? Tell me this kid isn't a product of one of our University's. Thats the problem with the mind screwing they get from 4 to 8 years listening to flag burning professors. After getting ejected from this bubble they all sound the same, and the rest of us are left to wonder what in hell they are talking about. What are you talking about????

"""""""""You know, something that would guarantee your law enforcement career a prime rib on the table every night and a chance to use your own array of personal WMD's to plow down fellow citizens who might voice disagreement? """""""""""

What???? What the hell does that mean??? How many burning BLDGs have you ran into to save children in your life boy?? How many dangerous criminals have you hunted down and put in jail??? How about babies delivered in the back seat of a squad car?? How many mothers have you held when telling them their kid was dead?? The difference between me and you boy are only one of us has "walked the walk" and it aint been you!!!!

""""""No wonder in the last few days, your Administration has been attacked by the wife of the vice president for his support for dismantling the Constitution, attacked by the nations leading scientists for substituting ideologues for scientific research in areas of health, and accused by none other than a damned park police official of firing people who didn't toe the Party line in being a proper ideologue in protecting our national icons.

Now, you go on and worry about all those nasty people in other countries who we gotta keep invading and taking over. . .and we'll pretend that you don't really know that it's a nice coverup for a little tyrannical terrorism going on right here at home, and supported by your divine leader and the Party. """""""""

OK.........explain this and I will respond. President Bush isn't my "divine leader". Hes my President! "Divine Leader", or, "Dear Leader" is a term the North Koreans and communists use.

""""""The only scary thing here is that we might wake up one morning and find out that Moore was somehow right and we were too busy listening to still another rightwing temper tantrum to hear the message clearly. """"""""

"Sigh", no your not. The world really is a violent unstable place full of enemies who would do you, and your family, harm. Worse of all are the terrorists and the rouge regimes who support them. Get used to it kid, your going to have to deal with it for a long time. I dont think you, or anyone else here are cowards. I think many of you, most of all you, are fools. Your fools cause you dont understand the true nature of man. Homo Sapien is a vicious tribal animal whos base instincts have been magnified by the creation of the modern nation state, modern weaponry, and state controlled media. Add into this mix the religious terrorist fanatic and you have a time bomb ready to go off at any time. The only shining light this miserable collection of higher apes have is called Democracy and freedom. Rights to assemble, rights of speech, rights to choose leaders, womans rights, rights that the Police and military are answerable to the people...ect Without all humanity having such rights there will always be conflict, always a battle between the light and the darkness.

America IS the light!! These monstrous regimes are going to have to be faced down or removed by force. We will never , ever be able to live in peace with such despots. We never have and we never will!! You dont know what you have in this country cause youv never had to squat in some 3rd world shithole with an M-16 in your arms. Well I have kid, and ever since I have always loved, believed in, and appreciated my country. Everything you, or I, have has been paid for in blood by countless marines,soldiers,sailors, and airmen. So fucking grow up all of you and accept your destiny and your responsability. M. Moore is not your Pied Piper and not your Moses. And Fahrenheit 9/11 is not a documentary. Its the movie equivalent of a political cartoon. Thats all it is!!!!

And this post, by this graduate student is,is,is.........well it is just remarkable..................take care.............Rich





""""""""""Is this a discussion or just a name calling contest?

It never fails to amaze me that the screams about Michael Moore as a propagandist comes the loudest from those who love to quote Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and the Moonie-owned Washington Times as if propaganda was a breath of needed fresh air. One would think ya'll would appreciate good propaganda, since you voraciously devour it every day in your search for a new enemy, a new war, and someone new to blame for every foreign and domestic ill.

Now let's get something straight here, Rich - you didn't join the military years ago out of this deep love and devotion for the ideals and Constitution of this country - you did it for Numero Uno. And while that happened to coincide with doing service for your country, you certainly didn't miss an opportunity to get as much of the taxpayers' benefits as possible to forward your own personal agenda. Why don't you get off this bitter self hero-worship rant and act like you are an American citizen who served his country instead of someone who trained for years in order to turn against his own fellow citizens? I can't apologize because Congress didn't put your head up over all the Presidents on Mt. Rushmore - or that we don't have your portrait in every school classroom and teach our kids how to goosestep with their mini assault weapons in recognition of your fear that a road runner might get across the dried-up Rio Grande and eat a piece of American rangegrass.

So ya say you are afraid for this country? Well, isn't that what being a rightwinger is all about dude? Spreading fear, and using it to create a police state? You know, something that would guarantee your law enforcement career a prime rib on the table every night and a chance to use your own array of personal WMD's to plow down fellow citizens who might voice disagreement? And you know the plan to get there is to plant as much fear and hysteria as possible...you know, your correct "religion" has to be about "fearing" God...we gotta fear the French, fear the damned leftists, fear the next door neighbor, fear the guys in uniform who haven't learned how to goosestep, fear the hometown newspaper cuz it doesn't publish patriotic speeches every morning all over the front page. We gotta fear the "liberals" (who must be everyone who isn't toeing the PARTY line), fear our educators. . fear a speck of dirt in our toenails, fear the U.N., and goddammit, we better be ready to shoot our damned shadow in the midst of the night cuz we might need to be afraid of ourselves when we sleep, too. Ain't that the whole agenda, buddy?

And to satisfy that fear, we are supposed to trust the cream of the Party's finest to lead this nation into oblivion. Yep...that's right...we gotta blindly follow a Party that couldn't nominate anyone better than a man with an addictive personality who has trouble expressing himself - who keeps confusing popular elections with an appointment by God, and who feeds every divisive fire possible in this nation while demanding complete loyalty because "we are at war." Anyone who thinks differently from the Party line - who expresses it in the media, in an opinion, who says something outside some fanatical "church" is a disloyal, unpatriotic, god-forsaken illiterate trash excuse for humanity and should be shot.

No wonder in the last few days, your Administration has been attacked by the wife of the vice president for his support for dismantling the Constitution, attacked by the nations leading scientists for substituting ideologues for scientific research in areas of health, and accused by none other than a damned park police official of firing people who didn't toe the Party line in being a proper ideologue in protecting our national icons.

Now, you go on and worry about all those nasty people in other countries who we gotta keep invading and taking over. . .and we'll pretend that you don't really know that it's a nice coverup for a little tyrannical terrorism going on right here at home, and supported by your divine leader and the Party.

The only scary thing here is that we might wake up one morning and find out that Moore was somehow right and we were too busy listening to still another rightwing temper tantrum to hear the message clearly. """"""""

"Death to Tyrants"!

maniclion

Why is solar energy so expensive?

There are many reasons why solar energy is so expensive. I’ll try to shed light on a few of them.

a. Competition is minimal.
b. Government regulations will not allow house owners to install their own systems.
c. Architects are reluctant to approve innovative unproven solar house designs.
d. Builders find that it is not profitable for them to spend excessive architectural fees on designs that are not mainstream and salable.

e. Our government, who should be demonstrating a leadership position in the promotion and use of solar energy, is the primary offender of energy conservation and has no interest in the promotion of a sustainable culture that might threaten the aristocracy.

f. The price of oil is maintained at an artificially low price by government subsidies and special interest groups.

g. Most people are too busy dealing with the problems of day to day survival to be concerned with the headache of a long range investment like solar energy.

h. Fossil fuel oil corporations, who control our economy are doing all they can to discourage the proliferation of alternative energies.

i. We have become addicted to fossil fuel energy concentrates the way a child becomes addicted to candy.

Sean0621

Rich there are plenty of reasons you do not name your Unit and Name Online. Think about it. My company commander and my Comm O have already told us the reasons why you don't tell people stuff like that. For instance this guy has already told us that he is either in iraq or going there soon, and I have already given a time frame for which my unit might depart. Well some people will use that against you. The metaphor my CO used was like how people read the obits and when the funeral services are, and then they figure out who's going to the funeral, and while everyone is gone they go in and rob all the houses. Well the scenario my CO gave us was similar, only he added, that some of us have a wife and kids, and people will know that we are not there to protect them. Now this would not effect me if I told someone, but there's 300 in my unit, and I'm sure it would effect someone. Just yesterday after we had family day, I picked up the Toledo Blade and read that my unit may be deploying in January, right after we talked about not saying anything, somebody talked to the media. It always inevitably gets out into the media, but as far as people know they don't know if I'm in that unit or not, and I have the power to keep it that way.

"The First Rule of Fight Club is, You do not talk about Fight Club."

Stickboy

I disagree with a few of your comments here.

A. What's your source? Here in the desert there are quite a few solar system installers.

B. The Federal Goverment prohibits, or is it the local government?

C. I disagree completely with this, esp since there are architecture firms giving courses on the installation of solar systems.

D. That's true with any design for any building. If they cannot sell it, they will not build it. It's not soley because a building has solar energy.

E. Not true, according to a Dept of Energy release:

The federal government is committed to installing solar electric and solar thermal energy systems on 20,000 federal buildings by 2010. In fact, a preliminary commitment of installing 2,000 systems on federal buildings by the year 2000 was met and exceeded. The Department of Energy’s Federal Management Program (FEMP), helps agencies identify and implement the best, most cost-effective projects for their facilities by providing services like information and outreach, training courses, design and project financing assistance. Agencies like the Department of Defense and the National Park Service are two agencies that have developed aggressive renewable programs.

F. Artificially LOW price for gasoline? How do you figure? Gasoline is taxed higher than almost any other product.

Avergage taxes across the country come to 42 cents of every gallon are taxes. Nevada is at the high end with 51.7 cents and Alaska is the lowest at 26.4 cents. (Source: American Petroleum Institute)

G. I think it's a lack of education on solar energy sources. Around here it's actually not uncommon to see solar panels. You also get a rebate from the goverment in some cases. I believe some states will pay for almost 1/2 of the installation cost. In my state, you get a rebate for installation, and some kind of monthly credit.

H. Actually, Fossil fuel companies spend quite of bit in R&D for alternative sources.

I. To a point. You can buy an electric car, but they still don't go all that far on a charge compared to a regular vehicle. We have vehicles that burn ethanol, but you have to plan your trips pretty carefully as finding a station to fill up at is difficult. Problem with alternative sources is that we need an infrastructure in place to refuel prior to the vehicles selling well. Until that happens, people will be reluctant to purchase such vehicles.

maniclion

Today I sold 2 PV systems, I estimate they will save 1600 Gallons of oil annually from being burned to power their homes, thats about 40,000 Lbs of CO2 not congesting our air.

MTN WARRIOR

What would you like me to do to prove that I am a soldier asshole? My PEBD is 19830304. I have just over 21 years of Active Federal Service. I am a CSM/E9 in the US Army. I will not give my unit or phone number. My DOR is 15JUL2003. I have been a TL, SL, PSG and 1SG in the Infantry. I am 11B, Infantry. I have two other MOS' as well. I have not been to Ranger Sch or SF or anything like that. Just a dirty nasty leg all my career. Ask me anything you want...

THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

Stickboy

Personally, I'm a big proponent of solar energy and other sources of energy that the US is in a big supply of.

Perhaps the best way to get a handle on the Middle East and terrorism is to break away from their oil completely. No money to fund their pet terrorist network with anymore.

Sean0621

Good God you're a Sergeant Major, I don't know why I thought you sounded younger. That's hardcore, 21 years in the Infantry, that's a hell of a way to serve brother. Semper Fi

"The First Rule of Fight Club is, You do not talk about Fight Club."

ALBOB

What was your ASVAB score?

Just kidding. Hey guys, come on, us prior and current military assholes have enough enemies out there. We don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves. The last time I checked we all worked for the same DoD, defending the same flag, right?

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

MTN WARRIOR

Well, I told you I was 11B, the smartest MOS in the Force Structure, so my GT was 142 (seriously). And I wasn't fightin with another soldier on here, he is not a soldier

THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

maniclion

Exactly, that why I view my job as "War on Terror".

Problem is thats when everyone is using solar and the sand for the glass laminates becomes a commodity they still have a monopoly on that too.

Flex

well, after reading most of the post, i agree with almost everything MTN warrior said. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Rich46, why dont you relax. Uninformed? Miseducated? Actually, THe MTN warrior was pretty thorough in expressing his point and was merely saying he disagreed with our reason for being in the war. Bottom line is you agree with BUsh's B.S., we don't. You don't have to get hostile.

IMO, Bush needed to fight/win a war after 9/11 to try and secure his 2nd term in office, that's all. He needed someone to blame for his "slacking" and allowing it to happen. Since he couldn't blame a nation, as terrorists are not a nation but an entity, he went to pretty much the only place the U.S. people would back him on, a place where we've been before........Iraq. What's his excuse? That Iraq has WMD and Saddam is hostile. Do they have WMD? No. Is Saddam hostile? Maybe. True, he's a murderous dictator, but does that mean Americans should die for that? No.

My heart goes out to all the soldiers and their families who fight to keep this country safe. It's just too bad that right now they may be fighting and dying in a war we have no business in being in except to cover Bush's political and financial ass. FUCK Bush.

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


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*YEAH BUDDY...LIGHT WEIGHT!*Ahhnold*

Flex

...Semper Fi

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


* Got juice?*Need Motivation?*How to Train*
*Arnold vs. Ronnie vs. Haney vs. Sergio*
*YEAH BUDDY...LIGHT WEIGHT!*Ahhnold*

Stickboy

Nah......

we have sand here too

maniclion

Yeah, but we'll use theirs first then sell ours at inflated prices just like the oil...oops I gave away the secret, don't hurt me Mr. Cheney.

kbm8795

Kid ? ? ?

This is one reason why your temper tantrums shouldn't rate anything more than a lot of ignore button activations.

Since I came of draft age during the Vietnam War, I think I had a little more at stake than your preadolescent self at the time. And while I'd like to feed into your stereotype of my alleged youth as a graduate student, I'll just point out how this illustrates your amazing ability to make blanket statements without having any accurate information. Why the hell should anyone pay any attention to you? And worse, why the hell is any community in this country still putting you on the taxpayer's payroll?

Your patriotism would be more admirable if it wasn't so wrapped up in your need to promote yourself as some kind of national hero. You did your training, you did your job - you took compensation for it. If you faced danger, you did it because you thrive on the idea, buddy - for you, it's still about numero uno. Nobody asked you to join the military - nobody shoved that gun in your hands and told you to kill people. You didn't come home with a limb blown off, or become one of those guys who sit on the corner and have to sell pencils on the street corner. You didn't return your paychecks, decline your government tuition aid, refuse to pay discounted PX prices for products and offer to turn your pension into government savings bonds to finance more supplies for the military. You wanted it bud - and you wanted it even more when you went into law enforcement. You like being in control of others, especially in a position where your job involves apprehending people and having the pleasure of removing their rights.

After decades in my own career (which had its share of dangerous situations) it's easy to know what a real hero is all about. A real hero doesn't spend his time bragging to others about all of his brushes with danger and then use those to proclaim his infinite wisdom.....heroes are usually embarassed about getting attention for their actions. So your military record isn't about anything more than serving your own dreams and need for recognition. You neither care for this country or respect others who live here and make contributions every day to making this the best nation on earth. The only one you believe made any contribution to this nation is YOU. The real heroes who fight in our wars don't come home and talk about having to kill people. You - you revel in it...violence, death, destruction, drama...bullying others . . .you made a life and two careers out of it. You broadcast it every chance you get as a personal badge of honor.Then you chastise everyone else because they haven't been down your road, so they should give up every right as an American because you are the only one who knows enough to be one. They couldn't possibly possess any knowledge or experience that might be useful.

And you CHOSE that road for yourself. Don't try to confuse that with some kind of model patriot sideshow and don't pass yourself off as some kind of expert about the world because you chose those experiences for yourself. You have something to contribute...but not everything. That's the hardest part for you to handle, isn't it?

You neither believe in freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion or anything else that you give lip service to what makes this country great. What you believe in is condemnation, elimination of anyone who you assign an "enemy" status to, (especially other Americans) and attack every aspect of our society that doesn't promote paranoia and beg our President to establish a police state. And while we should all renounce our own hard work and education and our own roads in order to bow before your superior experiences and knowledge, it ain't likely gonna happen.

Who is this kid? Someone older and experienced in my own road in life...who has learned enough to know that when grown men have to resort to typing pissing contests over personal glory, they haven't learned too much from those experiences.

You think that a President with an addictive personality whose party believes he was appointed by God is gonna protect me from some other fanatical religious nuts attacking my country? Hell no. He can't protect us from daily assaults by Pat Robertson (instead, he gives him taxpayer's money) or by a fanatical religious ex-Army Ranger who wanted to firebomb abortion clinics and gay bars but can't be labeled a 'terrorist", or the Timothy McVeys who can blowup fellow citizens just because they work in a federal building. Yet you are strangely silent about these activities. . .apparently the only time an American life is worth saving is when its ended by a bunch of foreign towelheads.

Since you don't read any political propagandists, how do you make decisions about voting for public office, Rich? If they...well, maybe volunteer at the local soup kitchen, do you label them a "leftist enemy" and know to vote for the other candidate? It can't be about holding that M-16, cuz you are a big Bush backer, and holding the rifle in the combat zone is the very last place you'd ever find him, especially during the Vietnam War. Is it the candidate that most declares how we have to crucify people, eliminate the Constitution to better "protect" ourselves from real and imagined enemies, force people into our own concentration camps cuz just a little tyranny is necessary in order to defeat the tyrants ( the old, we need to become just like those who threaten us...then we'll be safe)? Is it the candidate who would suspend Michael Moore's civil rights cuz he doesn't toe the Party line? Who would order the press to publish only official government statements?

Tell me dude - after we give you that "little" bit of tyranny, what country is gonna send us troops to give us our freedom back?

Rich46yo

MTN Warrior, you asshole,<chuckle>, all Im saying is you crossed a line with that initial post of yours,"" That being being done, let me say this. There are no WMD in Iraq, there are none in Afghan. Why did we go there again? To rid the world of WMDs. "" Are you kidding? You think we went into Afghanistan to find WMDs? And everyone thought Saddam had them. Even Saddam thought he had them. The Iraqis themselves never disputed the findings of the UN inspectors that tons of stocks and precursors disappeared. They still dont, or know what happened to them.

"""" Ever notice how REpublican presidents let one of their directors take the fall (Iran-contra). Coward bastards. So, now, almost 900 of my brothers and sisters have been killed senselessly and I will soon be going no doubt and may fall amongst them. Remember that, you will or you probably already do, know someone who was killed because the president wanted to finish something his daddy couldnt do."""""""""

C'mon now. Do you know anything about Iran/Contra? Tell me about it? And then tell me what bearing it has on the current situation? Also I got news for you. As much as I am saddened by the loss of our young men in Iraq and Afghanistan, 800 to 1,000 KIA is acceptable losses. Best of all entire units of our young professional soldiers are getting battle experience. That may sound cold to the civilian weenies on this forumn but it shouldn't to you, or to Sean. You are both professional warriors ; You are combat soldiers/marines! That is what you chose as your profession and nobody held a gun to your head to do so.

Along with that decision to bear arms in your country's defense came an unwritten code of honor that absofuckinglutely forbids your badmouthing your CNC, national policy, or the spread of lies on an Internet forum. You really had no idea why we didn't finish off Saddam after Gulf-l until I told you did you? You have a right to an opinion, you do not have a right to spread disinformation. And it obviously is because you cant debate me on these points.

Then this...."""Do you want your brothers, sisters, moms and dads to continue to be sent to war because you voted for Bush AGAIN. Please don't, I implore you. My wife and 20 year old daughter implore you, don't send my brothers and sisters in harms way so much. We raised our right hand to defend the constitution of the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic"""

What kind of whiney-assed, self pity, blubber butt, kinda ass-gas statement is that soldier? THIS is the life you chose! Nobody would want to leave their family and face danger. You think I want to leave the house and go to work every night? But its the life Ive chosen, and the dangers come with it. Soldiers dieing in Iraq is acceptable, civilians dieing in America isnt. Its because of the courage of guys and gals like you that the second hasn't happened to any wider scale yet. Its because our troops have taken the fight to the enemies backyard,and, because we made an example of a tyrant who crossed us.

Because that is the bottom line on the Iraq war. Forget this movie, forget oil, forget bringing freedom to a bunch of savages. The reason why we invaded Iraq is two-fold, #1 to show the rest of the worlds savages that we are capable of sending a 21'st century juggernaut 1/2 way across the world to knock the living shit out of a tyrant who crossed us. And #2, Because Iraq is a supremely strategic piece of real estate. By occupying it we have split our enemies, we control much of the regions water, the oil, and our Navy calls the shots in the straights. Its a pity the American people aren't mature enough to understand these realities.

And if your so keyed up to go to Iran,Syria, or North Korea next then just stay in the Army. Because they are next! Before we are finished we might have to turn one of these countrys into a radio