An Impeachable Offense?

Pierzin · 08-25-2004, 07:50 PM

I was all for the Iraq War when it started. "Yes, they are linked to terrorists, and Al Queda, they're bad, let's take them out, blah blah blah. " But since then, the truth has come out, and it disgusts me. No one has found stockpiles of weapons, or missiles or nerve gas. No WMDs at all.

Reports state that intelligence reports were rushed, and those that supported the administrations views were heeded, but those that urged caution, were not.

Since then, it would appear that Bush lied. And if he lied about taking us to war, isn't that an impeachable offense?

And if he did, isn't this the scandal of our time? I mean, really? Where is the outrage? Isn't taking advantage of public sentiment -ie- anger and revenge for & about 9-11- and directing it toward another nation well, - wrong? This makes Watergate pale by comparison, should the whole story ever see the light of day.

Here's my sources: Read for yourselves.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/fi...ysis.dean.wmd/
[url]http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&c=3&s=cornweb2
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5677812/

PreMier · 08-25-2004, 07:54 PM

Pierzin · 08-25-2004, 08:00 PM

see also:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5677812/

Stickboy · 08-25-2004, 08:12 PM

Um, if you don't KNOW the intel is bad, and you make a decision based on that intel you are given - that isn't a lie. It's simply a decision based on bad information.

You don't know what they have. Troops have uncovered aircraft buried in the sand. What else may lay there?

Thanks to people like Clinton and Kerry cutting funding for intel, how could you expect anything less?

People that bring this up forget one thing. Alot of countries thought that Iraq was producing WMD's. It just wasn't the U.S. All to common that we are the only ones with the balls to back up what we say.

Iraq could not account for the destruction of such weapons.
Iraq repeatedly violated sanctions against it.
Iraq was repeatedly condemed for non-compliance by the UN.
Iraq repeatedly refused to allow inspectors back in.

Any of those could have resulted in a War. This isn't the U.S's fault. Saddam brought it upon himself. Too bad the UN body didn't have the BALLS to do what they should have early on. Having allies that are a bunch of pussies (France, Germany) didn't help either.

Tell, Mr. Armchair Quarterback, what would you have done differently?

kbm8795 · 08-25-2004, 08:43 PM

http://www.impeachbush.org

Stickboy · 08-25-2004, 08:53 PM

http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.org/

Hmmm. Kerry's Catholic, and even they hate him.

PreMier · 08-25-2004, 08:55 PM

http://www.communistsforkerry.com/

redspy · 08-25-2004, 09:15 PM

http://www.bushorchimp.com/

BoneCrusher · 08-25-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

redspy · 08-25-2004, 09:21 PM

http://dogshatebush.com/

PreMier · 08-25-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

What are you confused about? I am just sick of seeing political threads lol

BoneCrusher · 08-25-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

What are you confused about? I am just sick of seeing political threads lol

BoneCrusher · 08-25-2004, 10:58 PM

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0820-04.htm

BoneCrusher · 08-25-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stickboy

Um, if you don't KNOW the intel is bad, and you make a decision based on that intel you are given - that isn't a lie. It's simply a decision based on bad information.

1st off Stick if he really did not know what was up, than he should not have the Job. I knew it was B.S. when I first heard this was going down from Rush & i'm just the average Joe Shmo.

2ndSaddam was bombed back to the Stone Age by Bush1 and sanction so hard he never recovered. Even with the underground "aid" from France and Germany, he still had nothing.

3rd he ignored the intel that did not line up with his expressed desire to get Saddam, ignored all the reports from weapons inspectors that were saying even then that nothing was showing up ... not even any traces of hiding anything were showing up. Bush had sat recon of every grain of sand in the place dating back a decade. No way he did not know what the deal was.

4th and most important ... this whole thing is a right turn from chasing down the terrorists that blew us up. One moment we are going through Afghanistan looking under rocks for Bin-hidin' ... next thing were rolling through the streets of Baghdad. I mean WTF?!? Congress says it is OK to get those terrorists ... then we blow up Iraq?

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You don't know what they have. Troops have uncovered aircraft buried in the sand. What else may lay there?

You don't, I don't, but he damn well better or he's fired. It is his job to know bro. He has the best intel on the planet at his table.

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Thanks to people like Clinton and Kerry cutting funding for intel, how could you expect anything less?

I listen to Rush too. He has blamed everything from 9/11 to the weather on Clinton. That is getting a lil old now ... really. Throwing Kerry in the mix without showing his complete voting record kills your argument.

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People that bring this up forget one thing. Alot of countries thought that Iraq was producing WMD's. It just wasn't the U.S. All to common that we are the only ones with the balls to back up what we say.

No my bro a lot of countries did not really thinks so.

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Iraq could not account for the destruction of such weapons.

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Iraq repeatedly violated sanctions against it.
Iraq was repeatedly condemed for non-compliance by the UN.
Iraq repeatedly refused to allow inspectors back in.

The other choice for Iraq was to say OK you got me and I aint got shit. Just all this oil and nothing to defend my self with. So please be nice and don't come steal it from me OK?

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Any of those could have resulted in a War. This isn't the U.S's fault. Saddam brought it upon himself.

Bush chose to target the dude and used our media and military to get what he wanted.

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Too bad the UN body didn't have the BALLS to do what they should have early on. Having allies that are a bunch of pussies (France, Germany) didn't help either.

Ahfuckingmen on that Stick.

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Tell, Mr. Armchair Quarterback, what would you have done differently?

I'd have done what I said was going to do were I him. I would have chased all the players in the 9/11 tragedy to the ends of the earth. Pakistan has a nuke ... Bin-hidin' wants to hid there? Get the dude anyway cuz they aint gonna do shit.

Pepper · 08-26-2004, 06:54 AM

Yes, I always turn to CNN for unbiased, object news on the Bush administration.

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 06:55 AM

Excellent post BC.

Pepper · 08-26-2004, 06:56 AM

Where was all the liberal outrage when we had a certain other liar in office?

He couldn't finish a sentence w/o at least stretching the truth.

You anti-Bush people are starting to embarrass yourselves, give it a rest.

Pepper · 08-26-2004, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Bush chose to target the dude and used our media and military to get what he wanted.

What is absurd about this is that Bush is constantly torched by the media. The media is clearly biased against him and has been since day one. The notion that Bush used the media is completely laughable.

**dg806** · 08-26-2004, 07:03 AM

Why do these idiots keep popping up? Yes they had WMD's! We know they did. We gave them to them. We just don't know what they did with them. Do some more research and come back when you can prove what you say.

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Why do these idiots keep popping up? Yes they had WMD's! We know they did. We gave them to them. We just don't know what they did with them. Do some more research and come back when you can prove what you say.

The question was not if they "ever" had WMD, that was common knowledge

And I would like to see Bush "prove something he says"

what gives you the right to call me an idiot?

I bet you were head of your debate team

**Dale Mabry** · 08-26-2004, 07:35 AM

[quote=Pepper]Where was all the liberal outrage when we had a certain other liar in office?
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Didn't you know, it is completely impossible for someone who is very far partisan to either side to admit when one of their brethren is full of shit or doing something wrong.

To those of you that say Clinton had all of the intelligence that Al Qaeda was going to bomb and did nothing, isn't this the EXACT same intel that Bush had for at least a year prior to 9/11 or did the intel stop coming in right when Bush took office? If Clinton DID slash intel spending, why did not Bush correct this. If there was a problem and he didn't fix it he is AS guilty as Clinton. Everyone fucked up. Clinton/Bush, both are guilty on 9/11. Kerry had nothing directly to do with 9/11, this puts him ahead of Bush in this area IMO.

Oh, and dg, as far as them having WMD because we gave them to them. Sure, they did have WMD and we gave them to them years ago, but I had a boner when I woke up this morning, and that doesn't mean I have one right now.

**I Are Baboon** · 08-26-2004, 07:42 AM

I think Bush sucks, but I don't consider him a liar. Making decisions based on bad intelligence does not constitute lying. If you think he is a liar, you are saying that with your heart and not with your brain.

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I think Bush sucks, but I don't consider him a liar. Making decisions based on bad intelligence does not constitute lying. If you think he is a liar, you are saying that with your heart and not with your brain.

Great point. We will never know everything, unfortunately. My heart screams liar.

**dg806** · 08-26-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke9583

The question was not if they "ever" had WMD, that was common knowledge

And I would like to see Bush "prove something he says"

what gives you the right to call me an idiot?

I bet you were head of your debate team

Seeing you only had one post in here "Excellent post BC", I was not referring to you. I meant the one who started this thread. But if you truely believe this, you are brainwashed.

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Seeing you only had one post in here "Excellent post BC", I was not referring to you. I meant the one who started this thread. But if you truely believe this, you are brainwashed.

It's all very beleivable.

I make a effort too look at things from different angles.

**dg806** · 08-26-2004, 10:54 AM

[quote=Dale Mabry]

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Where was all the liberal outrage when we had a certain other liar in office?
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Didn't you know, it is completely impossible for someone who is very far partisan to either side to admit when one of their brethren is full of shit or doing something wrong.

To those of you that say Clinton had all of the intelligence that Al Qaeda was going to bomb and did nothing, isn't this the EXACT same intel that Bush had for at least a year prior to 9/11 or did the intel stop coming in right when Bush took office? If Clinton DID slash intel spending, why did not Bush correct this. If there was a problem and he didn't fix it he is AS guilty as Clinton. Everyone fucked up. Clinton/Bush, both are guilty on 9/11. Kerry had nothing directly to do with 9/11, this puts him ahead of Bush in this area IMO.

Oh, and dg, as far as them having WMD because we gave them to them. Sure, they did have WMD and we gave them to them years ago, but I had a boner when I woke up this morning, and that doesn't mean I have one right now.

We know they didn't destroy them. So where are they hiding them?
Iran? Pakistan?

08-25-2004, 07:50 PM	#1
Pierzin training DC style! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 163	An Impeachable Offense? I was all for the Iraq War when it started. "Yes, they are linked to terrorists, and Al Queda, they're bad, let's take them out, blah blah blah. " But since then, the truth has come out, and it disgusts me. No one has found stockpiles of weapons, or missiles or nerve gas. No WMDs at all. Reports state that intelligence reports were rushed, and those that supported the administrations views were heeded, but those that urged caution, were not. Since then, it would appear that Bush lied. And if he lied about taking us to war, isn't that an impeachable offense? And if he did, isn't this the scandal of our time? I mean, really? Where is the outrage? Isn't taking advantage of public sentiment -ie- anger and revenge for & about 9-11- and directing it toward another nation well, - wrong? This makes Watergate pale by comparison, should the whole story ever see the light of day. Here's my sources: Read for yourselves. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/fi...ysis.dean.wmd/ [url]http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&c=3&s=cornweb2 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5677812/
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Stickboy Rebel without a clue Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NM Posts: 1,115	Um, if you don't KNOW the intel is bad, and you make a decision based on that intel you are given - that isn't a lie. It's simply a decision based on bad information. You don't know what they have. Troops have uncovered aircraft buried in the sand. What else may lay there? Thanks to people like Clinton and Kerry cutting funding for intel, how could you expect anything less? People that bring this up forget one thing. Alot of countries thought that Iraq was producing WMD's. It just wasn't the U.S. All to common that we are the only ones with the balls to back up what we say. Iraq could not account for the destruction of such weapons. Iraq repeatedly violated sanctions against it. Iraq was repeatedly condemed for non-compliance by the UN. Iraq repeatedly refused to allow inspectors back in. Any of those could have resulted in a War. This isn't the U.S's fault. Saddam brought it upon himself. Too bad the UN body didn't have the BALLS to do what they should have early on. Having allies that are a bunch of pussies (France, Germany) didn't help either. Tell, Mr. Armchair Quarterback, what would you have done differently?

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Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Where was all the liberal outrage when we had a certain other liar in office? He couldn't finish a sentence w/o at least stretching the truth. You anti-Bush people are starting to embarrass yourselves, give it a rest.
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Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,789 Photos: 10	[quote=Pepper]Where was all the liberal outrage when we had a certain other liar in office? QUOTE] Didn't you know, it is completely impossible for someone who is very far partisan to either side to admit when one of their brethren is full of shit or doing something wrong. To those of you that say Clinton had all of the intelligence that Al Qaeda was going to bomb and did nothing, isn't this the EXACT same intel that Bush had for at least a year prior to 9/11 or did the intel stop coming in right when Bush took office? If Clinton DID slash intel spending, why did not Bush correct this. If there was a problem and he didn't fix it he is AS guilty as Clinton. Everyone fucked up. Clinton/Bush, both are guilty on 9/11. Kerry had nothing directly to do with 9/11, this puts him ahead of Bush in this area IMO. Oh, and dg, as far as them having WMD because we gave them to them. Sure, they did have WMD and we gave them to them years ago, but I had a boner when I woke up this morning, and that doesn't mean I have one right now.
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I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 10,805 Photos: 10	I think Bush sucks, but I don't consider him a liar. Making decisions based on bad intelligence does not constitute lying. If you think he is a liar, you are saying that with your heart and not with your brain.