Thread: Kerry Stumbles into yet another GOP trap

kerry is not for semi autos...he has said he has guns and hunts but doesnt see why we need semi's around...we all know that a ban on all guns would never happen so why do pple actually think its worth worrying about

While I do not believe it is "over" as you say, I do believe it is a dumb thing to argue about. The funniest thing I have heard supporters of the ban say is that the ban should stay because the sniper kil,lings were done with an assault rifle. Uhhh, hello, the ban was in effect then, and apparently wasn't too effective now was it. People will get ahold of these weapons one way or another.

It expired at midnight. And Kerry actually co-sponsered the bill and he is waving a gun? Such a damn hypocrite!

Never understood the hypocrisy of these things, if they ban any type of weapon they should ban the ones that kill more people like knives. Silent, deadly can slit your throat and have you gurgling in a pool of warm blood as the attacker slips into the night in a crowd of a million people. Gun's make a sound and everyone is alert and looking to the sound. We shouldn't even be allowed to have steak knives in our home, how many domestic violence cases have escalated to one or both parties weilding a knife from the kitchen drawer? I remeber when I was 13 this crazy kid on my block carried a filet knife on his belt and would pull it out on you if you made him mad. The most important thing I think we could do with guns is hold a parent responsible for any action their child does with a gun that should have been locked away. They should also be locked away in case of robbery, how do you think criminals get them, they steal them from licensed owners homes, if they had been locked in a safe the criminal wouldn't bother trying to get inside to steal it. The law should be if your gun is stolen you pay a fine and if it is used in a murder you pay restitution to the victims family, if it's used to kill a cop then you do time. Have a registration system setup where you bring your guns in annually to make sure you still have them and they weren't stolen.

do u guys even know what the ban was on?? not on rifles!! it was on semis....kerry didnt have a fukin' semi automatic in his hand...i dont call that a hypocrit at all

I have several semi auto rifeles(30.06, 7mm, 22 etc) I also have a semi auto shotgun. Hunting ducks without it would suck.

The shotguns and rifles I hunt with are all semi's too. I dont like Bush at all, but Kerry is a complete hypocrite. It amazes me how blindly people believe things they're told.

I have a 30-06 semi and a mini-14.

I have to agree. The only thing a ban on weapons will do, is put them in the hands of the black market, and take them out of the hands of anyone who may be able to actually have a useful reason to own them.

Originally Posted by tomas101

kerry is not for semi autos...he has said he has guns and hunts but doesnt see why we need semi's around...we all know that a ban on all guns would never happen so why do pple actually think its worth worrying about

I mean, no other country has ever banned all firearms, which once allowed them. And there is certainly no set of events that lead up to a ban, like registration, limitation ect. This is a completely new concept to the world. Thats not to mention, that America is special, even if it DID happen in other countries, they dont have an un-reinterpretable 2nd amendment to protect firearms rights. Thank god that the second ammendment cannot be revoked.

Originally Posted by tomas101

do u guys even know what the ban was on?? not on rifles!! it was on semis....

Ummmm..............there are semi-automatic rifles too. The ban was on cosmetics. It was not on the guns themselves, it was on the things that get attached to the guns; bayonet lugs, flash supressors, folding stocks, etc. Theses little doo-dads don't do a damn thing to make a gun more lethal, they just LOOK meaner. This ban was nothing but a smoke screen by the anti-gun crowd to try to get a toe hold onto our gun rights and then they'd push for more and more and more laws until they finally outlawed every gun in the country.

Flash supressors? Shouldn't they be required on every firearm especially in those California tinderboxes?

Bayonett lugs? Can I tape a butcher knife to the handle of my broom?

Originally Posted by maniclion

Bayonett lugs? Can I tape a butcher knife to the handle of my broom?

That's been the point all along, outlawing the add-ons doesn't make the guns any less lethal. So the law was stupid from the beginning.

We should ban these. A person could fill it with gasoline, spray someone and light a match or at the least limit the canister to a couple ounces. Imagine if they rigged it with a sparker on the end that when the trigger is pulled it lit the contents on fire, then you'd have a flame thrower.

That would make a weak flame thrower.. check this out

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...0&pagenumber=1

Originally Posted by maniclion

Never understood the hypocrisy of these things, if they ban any type of weapon they should ban the ones that kill more people like knives. Silent, deadly can slit your throat and have you gurgling in a pool of warm blood as the attacker slips into the night in a crowd of a million people. Gun's make a sound and everyone is alert and looking to the sound. We shouldn't even be allowed to have steak knives in our home, how many domestic violence cases have escalated to one or both parties weilding a knife from the kitchen drawer? I remeber when I was 13 this crazy kid on my block carried a filet knife on his belt and would pull it out on you if you made him mad. The most important thing I think we could do with guns is hold a parent responsible for any action their child does with a gun that should have been locked away. They should also be locked away in case of robbery, how do you think criminals get them, they steal them from licensed owners homes, if they had been locked in a safe the criminal wouldn't bother trying to get inside to steal it. The law should be if your gun is stolen you pay a fine and if it is used in a murder you pay restitution to the victims family, if it's used to kill a cop then you do time. Have a registration system setup where you bring your guns in annually to make sure you still have them and they weren't stolen.

Let me understand your comments. Somebody breaks into your house (breaks the law) .... Steals your gun (breaks the law) ...... Kills somebody (breaks the law) ..... and the law abiding citizen should pay restitution. Are you serious or trying to be funny ??

Originally Posted by Damien

Let me understand your comments. Somebody breaks into your house (breaks the law) .... Steals your gun (breaks the law) ...... Kills somebody (breaks the law) ..... and the law abiding citizen should pay restitution. Are you serious or trying to be funny ??

I'm trying to stress the point of locking your shit away so it's not easily taken and used. Motherfuckers hide their jewelery in the freezer in a block of ice, but leave their guns sitting in the closet or in a glass case where it can be easily taken by the crack addict down the way. If you put stricter responsibilty on the owner less will get out to the criminals, of course if the criminal does something they should be punished to the fullest.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I'm trying to stress the point of locking your shit away so it's not easily taken and used. Motherfuckers hide their jewelery in the freezer in a block of ice, but leave their guns sitting in the closet or in a glass case where it can be easily taken by the crack addict down the way. If you put stricter responsibilty on the owner less will get out to the criminals, of course if the criminal does something they should be punished to the fullest.

Agreed. Unfortunetely, Whenever you have access to your firearm, so can a criminal. Courts would be at a loss on how to decide if the gun was left open recklessly, or if the criminal was just slick. Of course the true awnser all depends on who has the better lawyer.
I already have plans for a sweet gun vault to put into my house, home remodeling has its benefits

My stepfather had 2 secret bookshelves behind which he stored a small portion of his gun collection, the rest was stored in the walk in gun safe at his office. My father kept his hunting rifles in the closet open to anyone, until I grew older I thought it was alright since me and my brother knew better than to mess with them. Now that I'm older I realize how easy it would have been for someone to steal them and use them in a crime. I think they should have mandatory trigger locks too which stay on until they get to where they are being transported to.

In case the last post I made was misunderstood by anybody, What I meant to say was,"That would be great, but it would never work."

Originally Posted by maniclion

Now that I'm older I realize how easy it would have been for someone to steal them and use them in a crime. I think they should have mandatory trigger locks too which stay on until they get to where they are being transported to.

Guy: No sir officer, I dont have trigger locks on these firearms.
Officer: Then Im afraid you're in breach of the law, son. You have to have trigger locks on these firearms until they reach the place they were being transported to.
Guy: *Pauses and looks around Albertsons Parking lot.*
Guy: I was transporting them here officer.
Officer: Ok, have a good day.

Trigger locks are useless unless you dont have ANY secure place to store your firearms, and there are kids in your house. If a criminal steals it, he can use an angle grinder to mod his brand new gun into working condition in seconds. Now if we are to worry about a criminal breaking into your house and shooting you with your own gun, In that case he would beat you to death with your shoe while you tried to unlock it.

I understand all of the points above, but I guess I am still a firm believer in taking responsibility. You are correct in that easy accessible firearms are a danger ....... but I am in the camp of, use a gun in a crime and you pay the price ....... Life in prison, or better yet (save the taxpayers some bucks) .... the death penalty. I bet crime starts to decrease.

Also, let me mention that I could kill more people with my car in a very short period of time then I could with a gun......... but if someone steals my car, and get's into a chase with the cops, and kills a pedestrian. Hmmmmmmm ..... I guess I should be prosecuted !!!

Until the judiucial system puts the burden on the criminal ( that's the person doing wrong !!!) ..... crime will always be a problem.

Originally Posted by maniclion

The law should be if your gun is stolen you pay a fine and if it is used in a murder you pay restitution to the victims family, if it's used to kill a cop then you do time. Have a registration system setup where you bring your guns in annually to make sure you still have them and they weren't stolen.

that is probably one of the most asinine comments I have ever read in my entire life...punish the victim, yeah that makes sense...

Originally Posted by maniclion

My stepfather had 2 secret bookshelves behind which he stored a small portion of his gun collection, the rest was stored in the walk in gun safe at his office. My father kept his hunting rifles in the closet open to anyone, until I grew older I thought it was alright since me and my brother knew better than to mess with them. Now that I'm older I realize how easy it would have been for someone to steal them and use them in a crime. I think they should have mandatory trigger locks too which stay on until they get to where they are being transported to.

Manic I like it best when you focus on Bushwhacking. As the election goes through we Bush haters need you to try to keep that fucus. When you come up with crazy stuff like this it kills your credibility at Bushwhacking ... gun control is beneath your efforts Manic.

The silly thing about anti-gun types like Kerry is they think the 2d amendment is just to allow for hunting. Don't they realize that the founding fathers wanted ordinary citizens to have the right to be armed for their own defense against tyranny?

If anyone has a problem with this, they should seek to amend the constitution.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Manic I like it best when you focus on Bushwhacking. As the election goes through we Bush haters need you to try to keep that fucus. When you come up with crazy stuff like this it kills your credibility at Bushwhacking ... gun control is beneath your efforts Manic.

Manic is coming over to The Dark Side.

I guess everybody wants a gun, but they don't want to hold any responisiblity for it or where it might end up. Kind of like having kid's.