Choosing a religion as a bodybuilder

**Dante B.** · 09-25-2004, 10:51 AM

. The one thing I would recommend you ponder is if its possible to enter fully into spiritual understanding through the pathways of intellect

"Intellect" is rarely defined to my liking. What's considered "non-intellectual" pathways to the self are often paths that I consider necessary to intelligent thought and action - self-definition and progress.

"Spiritual," as well.

And I don't view the IQ or any available methods of testing as a judge of intelligence. "Concepts without intuitions are empty; intuition without concepts is blind." How you theorize about something determines how you look at it and proceed; data and measurements without an understanding of what you're observing, or professing to observe, is devoid of meaning.

Perhaps you might fancy this expression ("catalyst") as a more generalized and orthodox description of self?

People talk of balance, moderation, avoiding or embracing extremes, and what have you. I aim for symmetry between the outside and inside.

I would encourage you to consider that self-deprecation is a negative force and let other’s see what they will.

I don't cater to the vulgar. I take people only as seriously as they need to be taken. When it comes to myself, I do what I do regardless of an audience. If I need to explain something, I will, if there's a purpose to doing so. If there isn't, I aim to please - myself. Then I leave, because I'd rather spend that time alone.

A wise man knows the difference between enjoying a good laugh for his own sake, and abasing himself to gain an audience of a vile constitution.

He also knows the difference between talking and doing, and if talking at a moment is going to further his doing. With that said, I'm going to be a good student and get back to my studies.

Take care.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Vieope

Why? I never met an "empty" atheist or an avarage atheist. It is not an easy decision to make and requires some serious thought.

It took 16 years of thinking before I was able to make up my mind

**MaxMirkin** · 09-28-2004, 08:22 AM

I was born an atheist, and never saw a reason to change.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 08:50 AM

Max, really? Your parents did not impose a religion on you growing up?

**MaxMirkin** · 09-28-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Max, really? Your parents did not impose a religion on you growing up?

That would have taken some balls on their part, seeing as how we were in the Soviet Union.

Hey man, how you doing? Did you start your new job yet?

**Lurker** · 09-28-2004, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by OceanDude

I know of no religious doctrines that advocate to the notion of a spiritual buffet or smorgasbord where one picks and chooses what appeals to them. It all seems like a recipe for over indulgence, imbalance and self pleasure to me. But if you are sure God is "cool" with that lets hope that is synonymous with favor and not displeasure. Can you explain why God chose to use the Byzantines standard of a dozen when he only gave us 10 fingers to count on? It would be totally uncool to be tripped up along the righteous path to the buffet table when I ran out of fingers and lost count of how many steps I had taken. More fruitcake for everyone.

OD

For starters I don't consider myself religious or in favor of endorsing religion. As ladybuilder said, "To each their own". For me there is simply God and the struggle to know who I am, in truth and in spirit, which is the spiritual quest.

As for intellect:
"Mind, in truth, is the cause of bondage and of liberation"- Matari Upanishad 6.34:11

The ego:
"If anyone wishes to be a follower of mine, he must leave the self behind"-Matthew 16:24

Over-indulgence and self-will run riot melt away when one is not driven by the cravings of the ego,the intellect, or the desires of the larger world (still working on that one personally).

Can you explain why God chose to use the Byzantines standard of a dozen when he only gave us 10 fingers to count on? -Men make choices based upon their times whether this is spiritually directed or the way of the world is up to the observer.

Thought, knowledge, and language all function in time and can at best comprehend and describe what is temporal, not what is spiritual and therefore eternal-Ravi Ravindra

Because the very meaning of faith is based on belief and therefore not easily quantifiable all debate becomes moot. Circular and illogical therefore a collosal waste of time. Leaving me only with what I know which is; that I am okay with the God of my understanding for today.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by MaxMirkin

That would have taken some balls on their part, seeing as how we were in the Soviet Union.

Hey man, how you doing? Did you start your new job yet?

Balls indeed, Ive actually been great, I just cant wait to walk away from this desk forever. I start oct 11. They will give me a laptop when I know what I know what I am doing, which will have a wiresless modem, so I hope I can be as useless there as I am here. How bout you, Hows things going?

**Vieope** · 09-28-2004, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I start oct 11.

Sep.11 will be forgotten after this tragedy.

**MaxMirkin** · 09-28-2004, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Balls indeed, Ive actually been great, I just cant wait to walk away from this desk forever. I start oct 11. They will give me a laptop when I know what I know what I am doing, which will have a wiresless modem, so I hope I can be as useless there as I am here. How bout you, Hows things going?

I'm eternally useless.

**MaxMirkin** · 09-28-2004, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Vieope

Sep.11 will be forgotten after this tragedy.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 10:33 AM

My bad.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 10:40 AM

V did you see this punk claming 'Rabbit'
http://ironmagazineforums.com/showpo...22&postcount=6
He lives in Fla I could take care of him for you.
*loads a magzine, cocks the slide, Posts sign [Rabbit season]*

**Vieope** · 09-28-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Spitfire

V did you see this punk claming 'Rabbit'
http://ironmagazineforums.com/showpo...22&postcount=6
He lives in Fla I could take care of him for you.
*loads a magzine, cocks the slide, Posts sign [Rabbit season]*

LOL.. not necessary. He has a nice avatar.

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 10:51 AM

Ok true... Hes lucky your such a nice guy
Whats ups Bro, what have you been up to?

**Vieope** · 09-28-2004, 10:55 AM

Nothing much, the usual. Hot women, beach ..
How are you doing?

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 11:02 AM

The usual. Hot women, beach

Hey V, what do you do? School/work/pimp

**Vieope** · 09-28-2004, 11:12 AM

University takes much of my time, I work when I have fewer classes to attend. I am doing a very boring engineering course, I will move to physics/astronomy soon though.
What do you do? I guess it is something with computers?

**Spitfire** · 09-28-2004, 11:30 AM

First of all I find physics very interesting. I think you would excel in that field. You seem to have the right mind for that stuff.
I was an electrician by trade, I fell off a ladder and hurt my back, I work in an office now but I am going stir crazy. I got a job for a controls company (thats why I asked if anyone was in that field) It is the job of my dreams.

**Vieope** · 09-28-2004, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Spitfire

right mind for that stuff.

Right mind, that is a kind expression to use. That is what I was looking for. My friends use others not so nice.
Thanks

**Spitfire** · 01-07-2005, 05:54 PM

Hey V, Did you move to Physics/Astronomy yet?

**Vieope** · 01-07-2005, 05:58 PM

Enjoying january because it is vacation for everybody and nothing works here before carnaval and that is like almost in march then I will think about the stars.

**Spitfire** · 01-07-2005, 06:17 PM

I dont understand why we didnt think of carnaval first. It just doesnt seem fair.

**Vieope** · 01-07-2005, 06:34 PM

Hey New Orleans is also great.

**Spitfire** · 01-07-2005, 06:44 PM

Yeah but there is non of this
Not work safe

**Vieope** · 01-07-2005, 06:46 PM

Well women don´t flash here.
That is why I think New Orleans would be a good experience.

**Spitfire** · 01-07-2005, 07:44 PM

They dont flash cause ther not wearing shirts

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