Thread: Allah the Flip-Flopper

Does he beleive in Jihad

No
2:109 Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers.... Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command.

Yes
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture yet believe not in Allah.

this is a very offensive post and please it should be deleted

Originally Posted by pumpthatiron

this is a very offensive post and please it should be deleted

I agree, you cant point out truth, even statistically, when it comes to a group that is minority in the US. You COULD do that in the middle east.. you would be killed, but it would, at least, not be anti semetic..
LOL, good post manic. Dont speak 15th century myself, but funny read.

And seriously, manic said nothing offensive here. Hes posted accurate quotes from the Koran here, and Id have no problem if he did the same for the bible. He hasnt said anything negative twards them, if the scriptures contradict themselves then that is the problem of the Koran, and its followers, not manic.. Its the same as the bible anyways.. The book says EVERYTHING so priests can tell people to do whatever they feel nessecary, and back it with god/allah's word.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Does he beleive in Jihad

No
2:109 Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers.... Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command.

Yes
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture yet believe not in Allah.

Notice he says "forgive and be indulgent until Allah give command" and that is 2:109. Now a It took a long time to write that book, perhaps by the time he got to writing 9:29 Allah said,"F**k this, You have command, kick some ass!"

Dude u shouldn't sound dumb by attacking a religion directly. Don't sound like 'I dun give a damn attituded'.

It is enough just to highlight those quotes. We all know what Islam is. Christian is not better anyway just that it is not as hostile as Islam.

Actually there is no f**king God. .

The point is not to criticise the religion but how to deal with frantics.
What is the point to express anger to Muslims in internet ? If all the ppl are from US why bother mentioning it?? Can we have a better approach???

Originally Posted by pumpthatiron

this is a very offensive post and please it should be deleted

I offend equally, God the Flip-flopper

great posts manic fucc all the rest of these pussys if they can't take a joke..

Originally Posted by gr81

great posts manic fucc all the rest of these pussys if they can't take a joke..

Yeah, if you agree with it you don't give a shit if it is offensive. That's ridiculous.

Manic, I've grown tired of your constant anti-religion crap. This is a body-buidling site.

Pepper I love ya bro but this is the open chat erea. I'm a firm believer in God and I'm a Roman Catholic. I do not believe in what the original post says and I personnally say fuck Allah but I also believe in freedom of speech as well. I don't like this thread either but I'm not only a good Catholic I'm a good American I believe in our rights. Freedom to own a firearm and freedom of speech are two of my biggest pet peeves. I don't want some muther fucker telling my kid he can't say the word GOD in the Pledge of allegiance so you can't have it both ways. Just my opinion.

On the other hand, if your just making comments just to piss people off then that is fuqed up and you should go somewhere else to do it. I can't answer for Manic on this one, only he knows why he posted this. If he is anti religion then he is anti Allaha as well. Right Manic???

This is just a bad way of making a point as stated in your other thread... You cannot possibly make a good argument taking partial sentences from any read. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion b/c I don't even know the first thing about ALlah. IMO, if you are going to prove a point, post the whole Quaran and let people read the whole thing. A few quotes here and there is just pointless. That makes for an uneducated debate

And here is where I may say the one and first good thing about Firestorm... At least if he quotes, he quotes the whole message, not just a line or two which can mean a completely different thing.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Yeah, if you agree with it you don't give a shit if it is offensive. That's ridiculous.

Manic, I've grown tired of your constant anti-religion crap. This is a body-buidling site.

Pepper, I've grown sick of the Jihads, Crusades, Inquisitions, etc that threaten my existence and the existence of my species. Even Buddhism has it's perversions, ie. Imperial Zen of the WWII Japanese.

What I aim to do is prove that these "Words" of YHWH/Allah have so many contradictions that to seek in them the meaning of life is dangerous. Far too much blood has been shed in the Name of "..." that I think it's time for a revolution against those who take the teachings literally. It's like taking Aesops Fables literally and considering all Grasshoppers evil and walking on hands and knees not to step on the sacred Ant.

Oh well that was big of you. I've finally said or did one good thing. Hummm Don't think shutup has been here long enough to know the contributions I've made here over the past several years. Thanks for "attempting" a compliment though.

I was being sarcastic and yes it was a compliment in some twisted way It was in good spirits

Well considering how we got off to a bad start here, I had no way of knowing how to take it. I've been on the defensive with certain individuals here lately. I'm just coving my 6.

Yeah, if you agree with it you don't give a shit if it is offensive. That's ridiculous.

no, I am just making the point that we ALL need to lighten up and stop getting offended and starting religious battles. If you can't take a joke then Fucc you, thats what I am saying. Religion as a whole has been the NUMBER ONE cause of death, why, b/c people take the shit too seriously. If someone else says something about it, DEAL WITH IT and move on, otherwise we will continue to be in the same situation we are now, which is one of death and ongoing war. agree or not, everyone needs to take things with a grain of salt. I don't walk around getting violent everytime I come across someone who doesn't share my beliefs, or who speaks ill of them, so why are we condoning that behavoir? This is the exact opposite of what religion should be providing us with and it needs to stop!

Why can't weeeeeeeee be frieeeends

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one. -John Lennon, "Imagine"

Religion is SUPPOSED to be peaceful and forgiving. That's the backbone of Christianity anyways......

Flex you damn Hippy!!!!! hahahaha

So when can we expect the Budda flip-flop thread?

Originally Posted by firestorm

Flex you damn Hippy!!!!! hahahaha

Ha ha, you know it, Fire.

Lennon was SO ahead of his time...

Originally Posted by maniclion

Even Buddhism has it's perversions, ie. Imperial Zen of the WWII Japanese.

Off topic, but the only allowed religion in Japan during WW2 was "shen-tao", way of the gods. After the "loss" of WW2, it was discontinued, after beeing in use for about 150 years.

Well I"m 42 so I can't argue with you about Lennon bro.

Originally Posted by redspy

So when can we expect the Budda flip-flop thread?

I can try tonight maybe, I'm positive there exist absurdities.

"Buddhism is full of delightful contradictions. Buddha would say
that we work towards the enlightenment of all sentient beings
with one breath. Then, with the next breath, state there are
no such things as sentient beings."

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

This is just a bad way of making a point as stated in your other thread... You cannot possibly make a good argument taking partial sentences from any read. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion b/c I don't even know the first thing about ALlah. IMO, if you are going to prove a point, post the whole Quaran and let people read the whole thing. A few quotes here and there is just pointless. That makes for an uneducated debate

And here is where I may say the one and first good thing about Firestorm... At least if he quotes, he quotes the whole message, not just a line or two which can mean a completely different thing.

I agree 100%... I couldn't have said it better. If you really want to debate, post the whole Quran. Don't just take things out of context. You don't know the first thing about the Quran and you're just posting things OUT OF CONTEXT. Why don't you go read about it, read the whole thing and then argue about it. Don't just go to websites that bash Islam and get the quotes which are completely out of context. Like that I can take things from every holy book that would be contradicting if taken out of context.

Originally Posted by pumpthatiron

Like that I can take things from every holy book that would be contradicting if taken out of context.

Thank you for confirming my point. The Holy Books are so full of absurdities and contradictions that to take them literally as Fundamentalists (of all religions) do is hebetudinous. Now excuse me while I go make a burnt offering to the God of my Stomach.

Originally Posted by JJJ

Off topic, but the only allowed religion in Japan during WW2 was "shen-tao", way of the gods. After the "loss" of WW2, it was discontinued, after beeing in use for about 150 years.

Or Shinto, yes but to give their soldiers more of an ego boost they started using the old philosophies of the Samurai Bushido which is heavily influenced by Zen, with the Imperial spin that they didn't live for themselves, but for the service of their Emperor.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Or Shinto, yes but to give their soldiers more of an ego boost they started using the old philosophies of the Samurai Bushido which is heavily influenced by Zen, with the Imperial spin that they didn't live for themselves, but for the service of their Emperor.

Im not trying to pick on you or anything, but you havent got a thing right

Bushido is mainly confusionism ethics twisted to fit a samurai.

That they didnt live for themself but the emperor is part of shinto, since the emperor is derived directly from the most important goddess in shinto, Amaterasu.

Originally Posted by JJJ

Im not trying to pick on you or anything, but you havent got a thing right

Bushido is mainly confusionism ethics twisted to fit a samurai.

That they didnt live for themself but the emperor is part of shinto, since the emperor is derived directly from the most important goddess in shinto, Amaterasu.

The WWII Bushido was honed to take the Zen aspects of the Bushido of not fearing death, useful when kamikazes would dive into an enemy ship, the Confucian part wasn't as useful. And yes I should have said the "Shintoist" Imperial Spin.

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